I’m not sure what your role is, but teachers are still being paid as we are still working. Our support staff are also doing shifts looking after key worker kids so I’m pretty sure their still being paid too.

I do supply work and that has died completely.

Going back to the message and personal responsibility, I shall paraphrase some wise words. Look at the average person and then remember that roughly half the population is less intelligent than that person. Instead, they have gone full-on Humpty Dumpty by declaring that a word (alert) means whatever they say it means.

I'm sure I read somewhere that schools preferably want 2-3 clear weeks' notice to go back, in order to let staff know, give the place a deep-clean and let caterers order food in. So how could they go back 3 weeks today with very short notice?

 

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that schools preferably want 2-3 clear weeks' notice to go back, in order to let staff know, give the place a deep-clean and let caterers order food in. So how could they go back 3 weeks today with very short notice?

Because three weeks is within the range they requested - or have I misunderstood your point?

Because three weeks is within the range they requested - or have I misunderstood your point?

 

 

I think you have. They said it'll all depend on the stats nearer the time so how could they give them that much notice? They'd need to know by next Mon. to have 2 weeks' notice.

I think you have. They said it'll all depend on the stats nearer the time so how could they give them that much notice? They'd need to know by next Mon. to have 2 weeks' notice.

Oh, I see. I think the expectation is that primary schools should assume that some children will be back on 1 June. Whether that is good enough for matters such as ordering food is another matter.

 

I'm surprised they are anticipating allowing Year 1 back first (as well as Year 6). From an educational point of view, it makes sense but how are staff meant to insist that a group of five-year-olds who won't have seen their friends for over two months observe social distancing rules?

Apparently furlough is being cut on Tuesday!

 

Surely they can’t just just do that especially as they said we are covered until the end of June?

 

Obviously furlough would be cut for those returning to work but I can't find anything on gov.uk to support what you've heard.

Yeah it's really not fair to start advocating personal responsibility on the people of Britain when it's clear that the Government have botched it with vague messaging and transparent, uncaring desires.

 

When people start coming down with it because they went out after this weekend we shouldn't be blaming them for wanting some freedom, and we certainly shouldn't be blaming them if they are forced to interact with people at work or on public transport, we should be blaming the government for unhelpful rules that the public will not follow because they're pretty damn unclear and aimed at getting back to normal fast, whatever the cost... and the cost will be a second wave which will just make everything worse.

 

If we have another wave now surely it is still the first wave? This famed second wave is inevitable, but it will come to coincinde with the flu season.

 

Yes I know the average Joe maybe does not have the same level of common sense that you or I do for example, but I also feel you and others are being forgiving to humans. I don't think they have a psychologist within SAGE, but they probably should. People were already breaking lockdown before this, the naked eye shows it and the data shows it as well. This is with a clear message before, so what was that? It's lockdown fatigue. Hence now they have put is on lockdown without actualky being in "lockdown". Not saying this is the right thing to do from a communication perspective as we are all being treated a bit like monkeys. But my point is, the same people were breaking the guidlines before. From an overall perspective the people who now see the messaging as a nod to break the advice will be minimal in the grand scheme.

 

This virus is not going away, it's going to come back with a vengenance no matter what we do.

If we have another wave now surely it is still the first wave? This famed second wave is inevitable, but it will come to coincinde with the flu season.

 

Yes I know the average Joe maybe does not have the same level of common sense that you or I do for example, but I also feel you and others are being forgiving to humans. I don't think they have a psychologist within SAGE, but they probably should. People were already breaking lockdown before this, the naked eye shows it and the data shows it as well. This is with a clear message before, so what was that? It's lockdown fatigue. Hence now they have put is on lockdown without actualky being in "lockdown". Not saying this is the right thing to do from a communication perspective as we are all being treated a bit like monkeys. But my point is, the same people were breaking the guidlines before. From an overall perspective the people who now see the messaging as a nod to break the advice will be minimal in the grand scheme.

 

This virus is not going away, it's going to come back with a vengenance no matter what we do.

 

My main concern is that there will now be businesses that weren't operating that now take this loosening to mean that their employees must come into work, which in some cases will put people forcibly in harm's way, or lose their job. This mixed messaging means that the worst of us continues to operate in harmful ways, those who can afford to be conscientious will see no benefit, and then you have people in the middle who have to be interacting with the public and are putting themselves in danger - already plenty of those people in essential professions of course but now even those in nonessential ones might have to face that choice. Meanwhile anyone fortunate enough to have a comfortable job will continue to be able to get to work from home in safety. So in that sense it's a move that exacerbates class conflict.

 

Other countries didn't have many people clearly breaking lockdown (I guess this is what you mean by being forgiving to humans, that there are people who will break lockdown no matter what and we shouldn't be sympathetic to that, well, people will be stupid, but where they are not, I want it to be that they are protected, and even for the stupid ones really - agree they need a psychologist, it doesn't seem like they are very good at predicting basic human reactions), other countries had and have far clearer plans of the slow and steady route back. This really does feel like the people of the UK are being given some vague nonsense that apparently everything will be fine in a few weeks, with buzzwords and colour charts to reinforce the point that this government is good at slogans, but not effective action.

 

As far as the second wave stuff, yes, sure, it will come back, but that it's still circling just makes this more dangerous. Surely the point must be to open up in a manner so we aren't forced to reintroduce harsher measures? This really gives me no confidence that they're going to achieve that.

My main concern is that there will now be businesses that weren't operating that now take this loosening to mean that their employees must come into work, which in some cases will put people forcibly in harm's way, or lose their job. This mixed messaging means that the worst of us continues to operate in harmful ways, those who can afford to be conscientious will see no benefit, and then you have people in the middle who have to be interacting with the public and are putting themselves in danger - already plenty of those people in essential professions of course but now even those in nonessential ones might have to face that choice. Meanwhile anyone fortunate enough to have a comfortable job will continue to be able to get to work from home in safety. So in that sense it's a move that exacerbates class conflict.

 

Other countries didn't have many people clearly breaking lockdown (I guess this is what you mean by being forgiving to humans, that there are people who will break lockdown no matter what and we shouldn't be sympathetic to that, well, people will be stupid, but where they are not, I want it to be that they are protected, and even for the stupid ones really - agree they need a psychologist, it doesn't seem like they are very good at predicting basic human reactions), other countries had and have far clearer plans of the slow and steady route back. This really does feel like the people of the UK are being given some vague nonsense that apparently everything will be fine in a few weeks, with buzzwords and colour charts to reinforce the point that this government is good at slogans, but not effective action.

 

As far as the second wave stuff, yes, sure, it will come back, but that it's still circling just makes this more dangerous. Surely the point must be to open up in a manner so we aren't forced to reintroduce harsher measures? This really gives me no confidence that they're going to achieve that.

 

Oh I totally agree about businesses wanting to re-open, but there are also lots of plans and guides out there which show how to social distance in the workplace. Many other businesses have been operating throughout the pandemic. My business has for example and the plans in the factories are not perfect as in some places it is physically impossible to social distance. But it is definitely achieveable. You've also got to know the risk for employers if they don't follow the guidelines is their entire workforce could be out of action. But you get good and bad workplaces in all times. It's up to auditors to ensure these standards are kept up to scratch in regular times. The risk of course is people using public transport, I thought Boris might have said wearing a mask should be advised, but he said absolutely nadda.

 

I've said before, from the research I've seen the transmission in the community is probably 0.5-0.7 so whilst you may naturally expect a rise I don't think it will be a second spike to the levels we saw in March.

To even tell people to go back to work the night BEFORE is ridiculous. They need to allow for clear planning and guidance to put social distancing in place as much as possible. What is the plan for those in the vulnerable group?

 

Things absolutely need to get restarted to save the economy but it’s shouldn’t come as an unnecessary risk to people’s lives and putting in vague plans that start imminently and could have significant consequences if not handled correctly hugely increases the chance of the R going up and therefore the chances of another lockdown. Therefore it’s counter productive as the economy grinds to a halt again.

To even tell people to go back to work the night BEFORE is ridiculous. They need to allow for clear planning and guidance to put social distancing in place as much as possible. What is the plan for those in the vulnerable group?

 

Things absolutely need to get restarted to save the economy but it’s shouldn’t come as an unnecessary risk to people’s lives and putting in vague plans that start imminently and could have significant consequences if not handled correctly hugely increases the chance of the R going up and therefore the chances of another lockdown. Therefore it’s counter productive as the economy grinds to a halt again.

They are apparently issuing guidelines on Wednesday so the message is "Go back to work NOW and we'll tell you how to do so safely when we get round to it".

They are apparently issuing guidelines on Wednesday so the message is "Go back to work NOW and we'll tell you how to do so safely when we get round to it".

So thankful we have this level of forward thinking and planning at this time of need!

It’s actually incredible that they announced that Boris would speak a week ago giving them almost a week to sort things like going back to work safely out and yet it was still the most unclear unhelpful set of instructions they’ve ever given.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52612449

 

Alex P will be bouncing off the walls right now. I bet he’s already organised individual distanced meet-ups with every single member of his extended family.

I don't understand the logic in not meeting both parents etc. If I arranged to meet my parents in the local park, I can't see how that's any different to arranging to see just one of them as they're both from the same 'bubble'.

Surely it’d be safer for most people who have the facilities to just meet up sat distanced in the back garden.

 

Anyway, here in Weeyals lockdown rules remain the same so I can’t meet up with anyone. I have been in school today though sorting out work for kids with no technology so I have safely spoken to a few colleague and actually seen one of my students and his mum.

 

I’ve also spoken to my mum through her windows as I dropped off some essential shopping for her this morning.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the one person rule is to see if people follow it, and provided that there aren’t a huge spike in police reports of people breaking the rules they’ll probably let us meet two people from next week or something and keep increasing it from there.

 

Think it’s just an initial test to see how responsible we’re willing to be :,)

Edited May 11, 20205 yr by mdh

The roads were mad this morning even on my side of the border.

Surely it’d be safer for most people who have the facilities to just meet up sat distanced in the back garden.

Exactly, being in the back garden (for those with the opportunity to do so) causes less problems for other people than using up public spaces