The only thing I slightly agree with Sammy on is that I don’t feel it’s always what the popstar wants, to be sexual. For example when Meghan Trainor did the NO video, that seemed very unnatural for her and more what her label wanted her to do. But for lots of singers it IS empowering, we only have to look at Cardi, Nicki, Bey, etc. They’re owning their sexuality and making the rules. I can only speak for myself but that empowers me and loads of other people I think. Stop shaming women for showing their body 2020 edition. Singing about the human body and the act of sex is not trashy.

 

And as others have pointed out, Jason Derulo literally made a song called pussy (in Spanish), where was this OUTRAGE?

Edited August 10, 20204 yr by Andrew.

This topic is crazy..

 

People are allowed a difference in opinion without being branded as sexist or being derogatory towards women.

 

Loads of assumptions are flying around, it is ok not to like a song about wet pussy or sex.. :lol:

This topic is crazy..

 

People are allowed a difference in opinion without being branded as sexist or being derogatory towards women.

 

Loads of assumptions are flying around, it is ok not to like a song about wet pussy or sex.. :lol:

It’s ok to not like it, but not ok to $l*t shame or judge the women involved. I don’t remember your individual posts on the issue so I’m not saying you’ve done that but it definitely has been happening.

This topic is crazy..

 

People are allowed a difference in opinion without being branded as sexist or being derogatory towards women.

 

Loads of assumptions are flying around, it is ok not to like a song about wet pussy or sex.. :lol:

You suggested that WAP is a backwards step in women attaining equality. That's not quite saying "I don't like WAP."

It’s ok to not like it, but not ok to $l*t shame or judge the women involved. I don’t remember your individual posts on the issue so I’m not saying you’ve done that but it definitely has been happening.

Exactly this, there's no harm in not liking a song, or not liking songs with a sexual nature. Just make sure you're directing that at the actual song and not making derogatory comments towards women that infer singing about sex is some kind of shameful sin, which is what many in this thread have bordered on doing. If you don't like songs about sex or scantily clad popstars, keep that consistent across the board, regardless of gender. If you don't like women showing their skin, then that is, I'm afraid, blatant sexism, it can't be painted any other way than that.

I think Rihanna is a great example she wears more clothes now selling underwear than she did when selling music. The Lui cover and spread she did she would never do now I'm certain of it.

 

Music is absolutely bottom of the barrel for men in suits convincing women to sell their bodies. The fact that Rihanna is classier now when selling knickers than when she did music tells you everything.

 

Of course women can be sexy and can show off their bodies but I guarantee you that behind the scenes the men in the meetings are saying 'this will get clicks and views from dirty pervert men let's go for it' than 'she looks lovely I'd want my 14 year old daughter to be empowered by this'.

Edited August 10, 20204 yr by sammy01

The only thing I slightly agree with Sammy on is that I don’t feel it’s always what the popstar wants, to be sexual. For example when Meghan Trainor did the NO video, that seemed very unnatural for her and more what her label wanted her to do. But for lots of singers it IS empowering, we only have to look at Cardi, Nicki, Bey, etc. They’re owning their sexuality and making the rules. I can only speak for myself but that empowers me and loads of other people I think. Stop shaming women for showing their body 2020 edition. Singing about the human body and the act of sex is not trashy.

 

And as others have pointed out, Jason Derulo literally made a song called pussy (in Spanish), where was this OUTRAGE?

 

Jason Derulo is trash, everyone on here thinks of him as trash. No one has a good or high opinion of him or his music surely?

I think Rihanna is a great example she wears more clothes now selling underwear than she did when selling music. The Lui cover and spread she did she would never do now I'm certain of it.

 

Music is absolutely bottom of the barrel for men in suits convincing women to sell their bodies. The fact that Rihanna is classier now when selling knickers than when she did music tells you everything.

 

Of course women can be sexy and can show off their bodies but I guarantee you that behind the scenes the men in the meetings are saying 'this will get clicks and views for dirty pervert men let's go it' than 'she looks lovely I'd want my 14 year old daughter to be empowered by this'.

Now, this I do completely agree with, my responses don't take away from the idea that I'm sure men in suits do look at things from a sleazier perspective. But, I don't think that should detract from how the artists themselves feel, how it empowers them. It's another case of me saying both of these statements can co-exist, without one being correct and one being incorrect.

 

To one boss, Rihanna on the cover of LUI may well have been "sex sells", but there is nothing to suggest that Rihanna herself didn't do it because she just LOVES her body. And that's a great thing, a woman in love with her body enough to show her breasts on a cover is just as acceptable and palatable as any man posing topless on Men's Health, Attitude etc. A woman's breasts are not a sexual object any more so than a man's pecs, you can make it into that if you so wish, but that's in the eye of the beholder, not a reality.

 

I don't think artists really NEED to be classy, I'm not sure where this gatekeeping needs to come from. Who says people have to be classy? Who dictates that singing about sex denotes you as having no class? They're interesting points to consider because I think the idea of what is and isn't classy and what is and isn't expected of women in music clearly differs from one to the other, but as I've previously said, keep that consistent. Take issue with men being topless if you take issue with women being topless, take issue with men singing about pussy or sex if you take issue with women singing about pussy or sex, take issue with men being sexually provocative if you take issue with women being sexually provocative.

Does it really matter what Cardi B does in her music videos or songs? No,

 

Where was this debate when Home P****y came out or M Huncho's 'Thumb' or 'Pee Pee'?

 

 

How can we talk about how Rihanna sells her music when she hasn't released anything for like half a decade?

 

And the last album she did release had songs like 'Sex with Me' and the 'Kiss it Better' video which has a dice fluttering around her private parts? She's in sexual and revealing outfits all the time, and I don't think that will change. An odd comparison to make.

I don't think you are giving Cardi and Megan enough credit, they are both overtly sexual and owning their bodies. It's a bit patronising and dismissive to say that men have told them to do that. Sex sells, they're making a business out of it and it's worked! Good for them.

Were we mad about this cover back in the day and denoting that McFly were scraping the barrel/telling you everything about their lack of class or was it thrown to the w*** bank because it's a handful of hunky males?

 

Society profits off of women’s insecurities so god forbid they instead own their looks and bodies with confidence!

Cardi is an ex stripper - she still continuously speaks out in support of strippers and sex workers and was in a critically acclaimed movie about strippers. Sexuality is something that she clearly loves to partner with her music. I don't think there's more to it than that?

Now, this I do completely agree with, my responses don't take away from the idea that I'm sure men in suits do look at things from a sleazier perspective. But, I don't think that should detract from how the artists themselves feel, how it empowers them. It's another case of me saying both of these statements can co-exist, without one being correct and one being incorrect.

 

To one boss, Rihanna on the cover of LUI may well have been "sex sells", but there is nothing to suggest that Rihanna herself didn't do it because she just LOVES her body. And that's a great thing, a woman in love with her body enough to show her breasts on a cover is just as acceptable and palatable as any man posing topless on Men's Health, Attitude etc. A woman's breasts are not a sexual object any more so than a man's pecs, you can make it into that if you so wish, but that's in the eye of the beholder, not a reality.

 

I don't think artists really NEED to be classy, I'm not sure where this gatekeeping needs to come from. Who says people have to be classy? Who dictates that singing about sex denotes you as having no class? They're interesting points to consider because I think the idea of what is and isn't classy and what is and isn't expected of women in music clearly differs from one to the other, but as I've previously said, keep that consistent. Take issue with men being topless if you take issue with women being topless, take issue with men singing about pussy or sex if you take issue with women singing about pussy or sex, take issue with men being sexually provocative if you take issue with women being sexually provocative.

 

But whether the artist feels empowered doesn't stop the end result that actually to put it out there is to sell it and it is more than likely going to be consumed by 50 year old men getting their rocks off. If that is the goal then fair enough but wrapping it up as if it is being done to empower other women is a complete lie and fallacy.

 

Sex, nudity and overtly sexual sells but it sells to the lowest common denominator, which is why someone like Taylor Swift should be applauded for actually trying to be above that.

 

Also it does show in males too, Jason is not critically acclaimed like Lewis Capaldi or taken as seriously. At least with men in the industry who use sex to sell it is done pretty earnest and honestly. Jason won't dress up him getting his 6 pack out or having girls drool over him as him doing it for empowerment.

 

Were we mad about this cover back in the day and denoting that McFly were scraping the barrel/telling you everything about their lack of class or was it thrown to the w*** bank because it's a handful of hunky males?

 

 

McFly wouldn't have been saying they did that for empowerment though. Men sell sex and themselves too but at least are brazenly honest about it.

So you like your artists prim and proper and not showing any flesh? Good lord.

 

Just because people show their body doesn't mean they can't be taken seriously for their artistry.

Society profits off of women’s insecurities so god forbid they instead own their looks and bodies with confidence!

The fact this is the only comment in this thread by a woman, and it's so spot on :clap:

McFly wouldn't have been saying they did that for empowerment though. Men sell sex and themselves too but at least are brazenly honest about it.

I don't see how Cardi and Megan aren't being honest about it?! They are full in your face with the video and like Joe mentioned,Cardi herself is an ex stripper!

 

I'm really trying to see where you're coming from but you are coming across as disgustingly sexist and also rather snobby if nothing else. It's not a good look.

Not denying there's a double standard, but I think the reason Jason Derulo's 'Cono' hasn't been met with the same reaction is because pretty much no one knows of its existence. 'WAP' was accompanied with a huge video that's received a crazy amount of views.

 

As for the likes of D-Block Europe, they've unanimously slaughtered on here, no?