hope Victoria post something rather than THAT secret santa thing.

So this! I am a huge Steps fan and I have seen all 5 individual accounts and the Steps account posting about the album and it's different formats on a daily basis... and it's not even out yet! While Forever gets one insta post from 2 members and the Spice Girls account during release week then that's it.... It's ironic seeing as the girls wrote all their own stuff while Steps don't write theirs yet the effort is just on a whole other level.

 

The Steps album is a new one, so ofcourse they will heavily promote it. Forever is a 20 year old album, why would they even promote it or post about it? It's just a vinyl release for the fans, I am sure the girls couldn't care less where it charts on the album chart or on iTunes.

 

I would have been more surprised if they had actually promoted it more tbh. There is zero need for them to do so.

Be great to see it top 100 on itunes again really close now

Last day of streaming that counts towards the charts (Thursday is estimated) so as much streaming as possible today will push up Thursdays estimate too.

This is tumbling down the midweeks now #146 today. Streaming is killing it (it will chart easily on the sales and physical charts). It needs any vinyl orders tonight and downloads. It could still chart but the fanbase will have to pull their fingers out and do that 3.99 or 4.99 download. Or if a foreign fan send 4 quid to a British friend to download it.

 

7 digital is so easy to download on as well as itunes and Amazon.

 

Be such a shame if it ends up at #210 and Forever's one chance to chart in 18 years is missed.

Edited November 25, 20204 yr by sammy01

Streaming makes things so difficult :( If only the vinyl sales were stronger.

Spice boy I've been told by a little birdie (a charts obsessed birdie that rhythms with gay) that you haven't done your download yet!?!? I'm disappointed ;)

Im streaming it again tonight ♥️

One thing I just noticed is that the vinyl doesnt come up in the Merch section of Spotify right under their Popular Tracks section like the other vinyls do.. A closer look also reveals that the vinyl is not on Merchbar at all, only the GH, GH Picture Disk and Spiceworld are...

 

ALSO I am HERE for them to get over themselves and start selling their own music on their own website, damn it! Another missed opportunity. I know they dont have a record deal right now, but surely they could strike a deal with the label that holds the rights to their music and put them there?

 

 

Spice boy I've been told by a little birdie (a charts obsessed birdie that rhythms with gay) that you haven't done your download yet!?!? I'm disappointed ;)

 

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The girls could definitely do more but it's chicken and egg because so could the fan base.

 

I mean for a fan base the size of the Spice Girls 150 sales to guarantee Forever charting on Friday should be a breeze. £3.99 on itunes, I mean it's the price of a Costa coffee

 

I would never blame the fan base to be honest with you. If the group itself isnt bothered, why should the fan base be?...

 

Honestly, the blame rests on the group and whichever team is behind their releases and promos. If they continuously make only middle of the road releases, with no extra incentives, no promo apart from ONE social media post on release day, then you get middle of the road results....

 

It's so wild to me that they never learnt this, or seem to have forgotten how promotion is what game them their millions back in the day in the first place! Some actual promo would be nice. Not even just talking about this vinyl, but every single release since before the original Forever era has been met with literally the minumum promotion possible from a group like them.

 

Beyond the promo, over the last 20 years the only thing they released that was NEW was the Greatest Hits. So the general public and the fanbase just isnt used to buying in builk like they were. Furthermore, they havent really adapted well to the streaming era. That is so evident and it shows. Their music streams on its own quite well - imagine if they kept promoting it and ensuring that their streaming numbers keep growing like most artists do?

 

Yes Forever got a new design apart from the cover - but who cares, really? It's still a maligned album, with a bad public perception, a horrible cover. A bit of care around it, with more incentives to buy would have been nice. I love the album but if it had been released on vinyl before and this new version of the vinyl was all we got, I wouldnt have bothered because there's nothing particularly new in it... Even as a huge fan of the Spice Girls, Im baffled by the lack of care they give their releases, and thus, I lose interest too...

 

Beyond 'the group and the record label' themselves being the ones to blame, individually they have been so bad at it too. Mel C and Emma did a post but apart from that, nothing. Couldnt Mel B get an intern to do the same? Vicky Bex couldn't manage a single like or post too? Couldnt the intern who runs their accounts do more? Schedule some posts, some stories, etc, constantly remind people that there are things to buy. Nada... we get throw backs every week, like that does much to anyone other than a few 'aaawww' comments...

 

So really, we can't really complain about mediocre results. You do a mediocre release, you get mediocre results...

 

ANYWAY, I know it might seem like I am angry but I am not, just dissapointed. I am mostly THRILLED to have this vinyl now, finally, after so long. Let's just hope they do much more to celebrate their 25th anniversary, shall we?!

 

That, I think, is where our focus should be after this week. Campaign directly with the group to ensure:

 

1. A proper re-release of their albums with NEW CONTENT

2. A new Greatest Hits type of release with NEW CONTENT AND DESIGN

3. That THE GROUP itself does some promotion for it too please (interview are a MUST, but also a few performances here and there would be great please. They ALWAYS get good reactions and public attention when they do interviews - they are hilarious!)

4. Announce the tour to celebrate in 2022.

I would never blame the fan base to be honest with you. If the group itself isnt bothered, why should the fan base be?...

 

Honestly, the blame rests on the group and whichever team is behind their releases and promos. If they continuously make only middle of the road releases, with no extra incentives, no promo apart from ONE social media post on release day, then you get middle of the road results....

 

It's so wild to me that they never learnt this, or seem to have forgotten how promotion is what game them their millions back in the day in the first place! Some actual promo would be nice. Not even just talking about this vinyl, but every single release since before the original Forever era has been met with literally the minumum promotion possible from a group like them.

 

Beyond the promo, over the last 20 years the only thing they released that was NEW was the Greatest Hits. So the general public and the fanbase just isnt used to buying in builk like they were. Furthermore, they havent really adapted well to the streaming era. That is so evident and it shows. Their music streams on its own quite well - imagine if they kept promoting it and ensuring that their streaming numbers keep growing like most artists do?

 

Yes Forever got a new design apart from the cover - but who cares, really? It's still a maligned album, with a bad public perception, a horrible cover. A bit of care around it, with more incentives to buy would have been nice. I love the album but if it had been released on vinyl before and this new version of the vinyl was all we got, I wouldnt have bothered because there's nothing particularly new in it... Even as a huge fan of the Spice Girls, Im baffled by the lack of care they give their releases, and thus, I lose interest too...

 

Beyond 'the group and the record label' themselves being the ones to blame, individually they have been so bad at it too. Mel C and Emma did a post but apart from that, nothing. Couldnt Mel B get an intern to do the same? Vicky Bex couldn't manage a single like or post too? Couldnt the intern who runs their accounts do more? Schedule some posts, some stories, etc, constantly remind people that there are things to buy. Nada... we get throw backs every week, like that does much to anyone other than a few 'aaawww' comments...

 

So really, we can't really complain about mediocre results. You do a mediocre release, you get mediocre results...

 

ANYWAY, I know it might seem like I am angry but I am not, just dissapointed. I am mostly THRILLED to have this vinyl now, finally, after so long. Let's just hope they do much more to celebrate their 25th anniversary, shall we?!

 

That, I think, is where our focus should be after this week. Campaign directly with the group to ensure:

 

1. A proper re-release of their albums with NEW CONTENT

2. A new Greatest Hits type of release with NEW CONTENT AND DESIGN

3. That THE GROUP itself does some promotion for it too please (interview are a MUST, but also a few performances here and there would be great please. They ALWAYS get good reactions and public attention when they do interviews - they are hilarious!)

4. Announce the tour to celebrate in 2022.

 

 

This tbh.

 

I’ve downloaded my copy now, iTunes haven’t got one as I already downloaded the album on there years ago and paid a lot more money for it than it currently is. I’ve decided not to buy the vinyl yet as my husband wants to buy it for me for Christmas and actually the lack of promo or interest from the girls has led me to decide not to get a second copy especially since I am intending to start selling off a lot of my collection now. If it gets an extra week nice but I’m not all the bothered anymore tbh.

I would never blame the fan base to be honest with you. If the group itself isnt bothered, why should the fan base be?...

 

Honestly, the blame rests on the group and whichever team is behind their releases and promos. If they continuously make only middle of the road releases, with no extra incentives, no promo apart from ONE social media post on release day, then you get middle of the road results....

 

It's so wild to me that they never learnt this, or seem to have forgotten how promotion is what game them their millions back in the day in the first place! Some actual promo would be nice. Not even just talking about this vinyl, but every single release since before the original Forever era has been met with literally the minumum promotion possible from a group like them.

 

Beyond the promo, over the last 20 years the only thing they released that was NEW was the Greatest Hits. So the general public and the fanbase just isnt used to buying in builk like they were. Furthermore, they havent really adapted well to the streaming era. That is so evident and it shows. Their music streams on its own quite well - imagine if they kept promoting it and ensuring that their streaming numbers keep growing like most artists do?

 

Yes Forever got a new design apart from the cover - but who cares, really? It's still a maligned album, with a bad public perception, a horrible cover. A bit of care around it, with more incentives to buy would have been nice. I love the album but if it had been released on vinyl before and this new version of the vinyl was all we got, I wouldnt have bothered because there's nothing particularly new in it... Even as a huge fan of the Spice Girls, Im baffled by the lack of care they give their releases, and thus, I lose interest too...

 

Beyond 'the group and the record label' themselves being the ones to blame, individually they have been so bad at it too. Mel C and Emma did a post but apart from that, nothing. Couldnt Mel B get an intern to do the same? Vicky Bex couldn't manage a single like or post too? Couldnt the intern who runs their accounts do more? Schedule some posts, some stories, etc, constantly remind people that there are things to buy. Nada... we get throw backs every week, like that does much to anyone other than a few 'aaawww' comments...

 

So really, we can't really complain about mediocre results. You do a mediocre release, you get mediocre results...

 

ANYWAY, I know it might seem like I am angry but I am not, just dissapointed. I am mostly THRILLED to have this vinyl now, finally, after so long. Let's just hope they do much more to celebrate their 25th anniversary, shall we?!

 

That, I think, is where our focus should be after this week. Campaign directly with the group to ensure:

 

1. A proper re-release of their albums with NEW CONTENT

2. A new Greatest Hits type of release with NEW CONTENT AND DESIGN

3. That THE GROUP itself does some promotion for it too please (interview are a MUST, but also a few performances here and there would be great please. They ALWAYS get good reactions and public attention when they do interviews - they are hilarious!)

4. Announce the tour to celebrate in 2022.

 

Whilst I absolutely agree with this that doesn't mean fans can't show interest and help by making what we have successful.

 

Louis Tomlinson fans randomly took it upon themselves a few weeks ago to all download his album and get it to number 1 on itunes. There was no reason bar to show support to him.

 

Mariah Carreys fans did the sane with Glitter too a couple of years ago.

 

The big problem is still their team and label are 2 different things and they work independently. This is a release by Universal (with the girls permission of course) but their team XIX are nothing to do with it. I doubt XIX and Simon even get anything from its release money wise. Obviously the girls will but it's not the kind of money they get from tour tickets.

 

Until they get over this paranoia about anything new flopping and damaging them you'll get releases like the Forever vinyl which is about all Universal can do.

 

I know one thing coming next year and I know you will all roll yours eyes and think why?

 

Thanks for the download Spiceboy, don't sell your collection you'll regret it

Edited November 25, 20204 yr by sammy01

Whilst I absolutely agree with this that doesn't mean fans can't show interest and help by making what we have successful.

 

Louis Tomlinson fans randomly took it upon themselves a few weeks ago to all download his album and get it to number 1 on itunes. There was no reason bar to show support to him.

 

Mariah Carreys fans did the sane with Glitter too a couple of years ago.

 

The big problem is still their team and label are 2 different things and they work independently. This is a release by Universal (with the girls permission of course) but their team XIX are nothing to do with it. I doubt XIX and Simon even get anything from its release money wise. Obviously the girls will but it's not the kind of money they get from tour tickets.

 

You hit the nail on the head there, it's kind of what I was trying to say too. That separation is important to understand as to why they dont do much themselves. As a group, them and Simon have always been focused on what can get them the most money and a Forever vinyl is never going to rake in the millions that other sponsorships, touring or deals can bring in.

 

It's part of the reason why so many get frustated: there is barely any focus on the band towards their music releases since pretty much Goodbye was released. And it shows.

 

The acts that you mention continued to mantain a relationshop with their fans in the streaming era. They literally focused on that, so they are reaping the benefits of it now... the Spice Girls and Simon/XIX could very well learn from that, to be honest.

 

I just dont want to blame the fans. It's been such a frustrating 20 years to be a fan of them... people loose interest, and who can blame them? At least they can still tour and sell well on that.

 

Until they get over this paranoia about anything new flopping and damaging them you'll get releases like the Forever vinyl which is about all Universal can do.

 

I know one thing coming next year and I know you will all roll yours eyes and think why?

 

Yep, agree with this. It is so baffling to me how scared they are. They clearly have the power to do well, they just need to get their head in the game and try.

 

So frustrating. Like, their next tour (if it comes) needs to have new stuff in it, and I dont just mean a new design/set list/arrangements. It should absolutely include some new tracks in it too.

 

They would be silly to not do more music at some point. They literally have nothing to loose with that and you can tell that (some of them) are up for it. With the right A&R team behind them, they would absolutely smash it.

IN THE MEANTIME, Lets keep streaming :wub:

 

I just had my life handed to me by Get Down With Me and Wasting My Time :cheer:

Simon is a dinosaur which is a problem. He literary did an interview before the tour last year saying he doesn't care about streams or video views. It is obvious he sees a deal with Walkers crisps as more important and it might be bigger instant cash but investing in the bands music continuing on through new mediums to be successful is an absolute must.

Simon is a dinosaur which is a problem. He literary did an interview before the tour last year saying he doesn't care about streams or video views. It is obvious he sees a deal with Walkers crisps as more important and it might be bigger instant cash but investing in the bands music continuing on through new mediums to be successful is an absolute must.

 

He is an absolute dino, you are right. He was clever on getting Modest to come on board for the tour, though as clearly he saw that he wasnt best placed anymore to do that.

 

Let's hope he has the same focus when it comes to future music dealings (lol I know....)

I would never blame the fan base to be honest with you. If the group itself isnt bothered, why should the fan base be?...

 

Honestly, the blame rests on the group and whichever team is behind their releases and promos. If they continuously make only middle of the road releases, with no extra incentives, no promo apart from ONE social media post on release day, then you get middle of the road results....

 

It's so wild to me that they never learnt this, or seem to have forgotten how promotion is what game them their millions back in the day in the first place! Some actual promo would be nice. Not even just talking about this vinyl, but every single release since before the original Forever era has been met with literally the minumum promotion possible from a group like them.

 

Beyond the promo, over the last 20 years the only thing they released that was NEW was the Greatest Hits. So the general public and the fanbase just isnt used to buying in builk like they were. Furthermore, they havent really adapted well to the streaming era. That is so evident and it shows. Their music streams on its own quite well - imagine if they kept promoting it and ensuring that their streaming numbers keep growing like most artists do?

 

Yes Forever got a new design apart from the cover - but who cares, really? It's still a maligned album, with a bad public perception, a horrible cover. A bit of care around it, with more incentives to buy would have been nice. I love the album but if it had been released on vinyl before and this new version of the vinyl was all we got, I wouldnt have bothered because there's nothing particularly new in it... Even as a huge fan of the Spice Girls, Im baffled by the lack of care they give their releases, and thus, I lose interest too...

 

Beyond 'the group and the record label' themselves being the ones to blame, individually they have been so bad at it too. Mel C and Emma did a post but apart from that, nothing. Couldnt Mel B get an intern to do the same? Vicky Bex couldn't manage a single like or post too? Couldnt the intern who runs their accounts do more? Schedule some posts, some stories, etc, constantly remind people that there are things to buy. Nada... we get throw backs every week, like that does much to anyone other than a few 'aaawww' comments...

 

So really, we can't really complain about mediocre results. You do a mediocre release, you get mediocre results...

 

ANYWAY, I know it might seem like I am angry but I am not, just dissapointed. I am mostly THRILLED to have this vinyl now, finally, after so long. Let's just hope they do much more to celebrate their 25th anniversary, shall we?!

 

That, I think, is where our focus should be after this week. Campaign directly with the group to ensure:

 

1. A proper re-release of their albums with NEW CONTENT

2. A new Greatest Hits type of release with NEW CONTENT AND DESIGN

3. That THE GROUP itself does some promotion for it too please (interview are a MUST, but also a few performances here and there would be great please. They ALWAYS get good reactions and public attention when they do interviews - they are hilarious!)

4. Announce the tour to celebrate in 2022.

I agree with all of this. They could milk their catalogue, but they don't. Hopefully they will start doing so next year. If I was advising the girls I would have them release Feed Your Love at the beginning of October next year to build hype for the 25th anniversary edition of Spice, which would be released at the beginning of November. I would have a pre-order of the anniversary edition of Spice available the same day Feed Your Love is released to Spotify/iTunes. Fans can also pre-order limited edition individual vinyls of the Spice album.

 

Emma cover/pink vinyl

Mel B cover/green vinyl

Geri cover/ruby red vinyl

Melanie C cover/yellow vinyl

Victoria cover/red vinyl

 

Last, but not least announce a summer 2022 tour at the end of November. The hype of the tour announcement will help sell the 25th anniversary edition of Spice all throughout December.

Edited November 25, 20204 yr by Sideout

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I know one thing coming next year and I know you will all roll yours eyes and think why?

Spill the tea Sammy. At least give us a hint. Watch it be a Spice re-issue with a new pink bracelet while Feed Your Love and Likely Stories stay in the vault.