https://t.co/Ku0GOSe8DZ

 

I mean a Spectator article is always going to defend singing the word “f*****” uncensored. This bit made me howl though:

 

The reaction to the ban may well have been knee-jerk but it still cements the feeling amongst a certain generation that kids need to damn well grow a pair.

 

It wasn’t the “kids” who were having meltdowns at the lyrics to WAP now was it.

There wasn't even a backlash anyway. People have more important things to worry about this year after all.

 

It was more muted than in 2007, but it was probably helped by the BBC pre-empting any potential furore.

meltdowns at the lyrics to WAP

 

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I mean a Spectator article is always going to defend singing the word “f*****” uncensored. This bit made me howl though:

 

The reaction to the ban may well have been knee-jerk but it still cements the feeling amongst a certain generation that kids need to damn well grow a pair.

 

It wasn’t the “kids” who were having meltdowns at the lyrics to WAP now was it.

 

:lol: yeh that was my standout part.

 

By the way I posted as I thought it was an interesting read not because I supported the opinion it held FYI

I'm kind of sad that this has attracted such controversy on here of all places. It's fine to have your own experience with the song but as Liam said, it's about being able to relate to and understand the needs of other people. This is a forum with a large LGBTQ+ community and it's a shame to see people advocate for that community's comfort in society to be deprioritised in order to gain ... nothing, really. I've not actually seen any argument for evading censorship in this case other than "Don't give into the snowflakes!" and the rather vacant "Don't erase history!" (why do we care about this in relation to 'Fairytale of New York'? let's go beyond far-right slogans). I think that is perhaps the most saddening thing - nobody is actually arguing that their enjoyment of the song is substantially reduced by the censorship. LGBTQ+ people are asked to deal with hearing slurs against them in exchange for nothing other than the majority group feeling the freedom to use slurs in what they deem acceptable contexts.

 

It's not about offense, anyway. It's about inclusion. It's about being in a marginalised group and being expected to hear slurs directed at yourself for the enjoyment of the majority who couldn't even imagine what that feels like. "Deal with hearing f***** on the radio, snowflakes" being said by people who view being asked to avoid using a single word as an unconscionable assault on their life is a fine example of majority privilege. The argument that you're not meant to like or agree with the character in the song doesn't hold water either. No matter what context the song is dressed up in, it's a direct reminder to LGBTQ+ people of a time in the recent past when homophobic slurs were in mainstream discourse. It's a direct reminder of how little their societal comfort was worth to the majority until very recently. Why do we expect people of that community to enjoy this? Why do we care so much about having the right to force them to experience this? Why are they worth so little to us?

 

To be honest, I am quite disappointed even with the people who are neutral on this. It's one thing to be outright bigoted (you don't expect homophobes to advocate for the gayz) but I don't know how you can be on the fence on a topic like "should we expect LGBTQ+ people to relive personal and in-group trauma so the majority that inflicted said trauma can have fun?". It's not appropriate. It's good that this particular example is on its way out.

Excellent post

I'm kind of sad that this has attracted such controversy on here of all places. It's fine to have your own experience with the song but as Liam said, it's about being able to relate to and understand the needs of other people. This is a forum with a large LGBTQ+ community and it's a shame to see people advocate for that community's comfort in society to be deprioritised in order to gain ... nothing, really. I've not actually seen any argument for evading censorship in this case other than "Don't give into the snowflakes!" and the rather vacant "Don't erase history!" (why do we care about this in relation to 'Fairytale of New York'? let's go beyond far-right slogans). I think that is perhaps the most saddening thing - nobody is actually arguing that their enjoyment of the song is substantially reduced by the censorship. LGBTQ+ people are asked to deal with hearing slurs against them in exchange for nothing other than the majority group feeling the freedom to use slurs in what they deem acceptable contexts.

 

It's not about offense, anyway. It's about inclusion. It's about being in a marginalised group and being expected to hear slurs directed at yourself for the enjoyment of the majority who couldn't even imagine what that feels like. "Deal with hearing f***** on the radio, snowflakes" being said by people who view being asked to avoid using a single word as an unconscionable assault on their life is a fine example of majority privilege. The argument that you're not meant to like or agree with the character in the song doesn't hold water either. No matter what context the song is dressed up in, it's a direct reminder to LGBTQ+ people of a time in the recent past when homophobic slurs were in mainstream discourse. It's a direct reminder of how little their societal comfort was worth to the majority until very recently. Why do we expect people of that community to enjoy this? Why do we care so much about having the right to force them to experience this? Why are they worth so little to us?

 

To be honest, I am quite disappointed even with the people who are neutral on this. It's one thing to be outright bigoted (you don't expect homophobes to advocate for the gayz) but I don't know how you can be on the fence on a topic like "should we expect LGBTQ+ people to relive personal and in-group trauma so the majority that inflicted said trauma can have fun?". It's not appropriate. It's good that this particular example is on its way out.

 

 

 

I bow down to you and worship at your alter! Superbly put! :wub:

I mean a Spectator article is always going to defend singing the word “f*****” uncensored. This bit made me howl though:

 

The reaction to the ban may well have been knee-jerk but it still cements the feeling amongst a certain generation that kids need to damn well grow a pair.

 

It wasn’t the “kids” who were having meltdowns at the lyrics to WAP now was it.

 

I haven't seen anybody complain about the lyrics to WAP? I know a lot of people who think the song is disgusting, but there are hit songs which get a similar kind of reception every year, it's nothing unusual, and they never get banned.

 

Fairytale of New York is being accused of being homophobic (which it obviously isn't btw). It's a different situation

 

I've never actually heard anyone complain about EITHER Fairytale of New York or WAP. It's just rich and famous people on the TV and the radio (and journalists) who are complaining one is unacceptable in this day and age and the other one is powerful and empowering.

 

It's pathetic. Both are fine in my opinion. But WAP isn't anything revolutionary and FONY isn't homophobic.

Edited December 2, 20204 yr by Eric_Blob

I'm kind of sad that this has attracted such controversy on here of all places. It's fine to have your own experience with the song but as Liam said, it's about being able to relate to and understand the needs of other people. This is a forum with a large LGBTQ+ community and it's a shame to see people advocate for that community's comfort in society to be deprioritised in order to gain ... nothing, really. I've not actually seen any argument for evading censorship in this case other than "Don't give into the snowflakes!" and the rather vacant "Don't erase history!" (why do we care about this in relation to 'Fairytale of New York'? let's go beyond far-right slogans). I think that is perhaps the most saddening thing - nobody is actually arguing that their enjoyment of the song is substantially reduced by the censorship. LGBTQ+ people are asked to deal with hearing slurs against them in exchange for nothing other than the majority group feeling the freedom to use slurs in what they deem acceptable contexts.

 

It's not about offense, anyway. It's about inclusion. It's about being in a marginalised group and being expected to hear slurs directed at yourself for the enjoyment of the majority who couldn't even imagine what that feels like. "Deal with hearing f***** on the radio, snowflakes" being said by people who view being asked to avoid using a single word as an unconscionable assault on their life is a fine example of majority privilege. The argument that you're not meant to like or agree with the character in the song doesn't hold water either. No matter what context the song is dressed up in, it's a direct reminder to LGBTQ+ people of a time in the recent past when homophobic slurs were in mainstream discourse. It's a direct reminder of how little their societal comfort was worth to the majority until very recently. Why do we expect people of that community to enjoy this? Why do we care so much about having the right to force them to experience this? Why are they worth so little to us?

 

To be honest, I am quite disappointed even with the people who are neutral on this. It's one thing to be outright bigoted (you don't expect homophobes to advocate for the gayz) but I don't know how you can be on the fence on a topic like "should we expect LGBTQ+ people to relive personal and in-group trauma so the majority that inflicted said trauma can have fun?". It's not appropriate. It's good that this particular example is on its way out.

period!!!!!!!

I haven't seen anybody complain about the lyrics to WAP? I know a lot of people who think the song is disgusting, but there are hit songs which get a similar kind of reception every year, it's nothing unusual, and they never get banned.

 

Fairytale of New York is being accused of being homophobic (which it obviously isn't btw). It's a different situation

 

I've never actually heard anyone complain about EITHER Fairytale of New York or WAP. It's just rich and famous people on the TV and the radio (and journalists) who are complaining one is unacceptable in this day and age and the other one is powerful and empowering.

 

It's pathetic. Both are fine in my opinion. But WAP isn't anything revolutionary and FONY isn't homophobic.

 

It’s not homophobic but it does use a homophobic word in the lyrics

I really don’t see why WAP is compared? Thats two women taking ownership of their bodies and sexuality.

 

Very different to a song that (to some) features a word they don’t like. I don’t agree with the ban but the comparrison to ‘WAP’ is pure stupidity.

They could warn people about the offensive lyric at the beginning when Radio 1 play it.

The fact Radio 1 have the openly misogynistic Flowers on heavy rotation suggests this is more about appearing woke than anything else and I say that as a 'f*****'.

The fact Radio 1 have the openly misogynistic Flowers on heavy rotation suggests this is more about appearing woke than anything else and I say that as a 'f*****'.

How many times do we need to have this argument on here? 'Flowers' may be many things but misogynistic is not one of them.

I didn’t realise that about Flowers? Is this something like the nonsense ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside’ is rapey?

Lmao what is this obsession with Flowers apparently been an anthem of misogyny? :lol: Anyway radio do censor it to remove the phrase "good wood" which kind of proves any argument about them censoring with political motivation redundant. They will take out anything they think is risky to cover their backs against outraged of Tunbridge Wells. 99% of radio edits are shit anyway because they are not how the song was intended to be heard.

 

I can't be arsed to get into the tired debate about Fairytale Of New York. It's a fantastic song that's all i'll say.

I'm more interested in the reasoning on why someone would dig up this post some 380 days after it's last comment

I didn’t realise that about Flowers? Is this something like the nonsense ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside’ is rapey?

 

People really think that about Baby It's Cold Outside? Anyone who thinks that is a nasty piece of work, and they'll take offence at anything.

Yup! We are in an era where people are like that!

I get where it comes from, especially when people have never been more aware of consent and "no means no", though I don't think Baby It's Cold Outside is actually problematic at all and the context reveals all.

 

(and it's a very different case to FONY which literally has a now-homophobic slur right there)