UK death rates still not coming down anywhere near as much as I thought they would have done by now. Still well over 100 every day consistently.

 

I think it will be this way for a while, this is the impact of late Jan/early Feb when we were still at 20,000 cases per day. I suspect it will slowly come down over the next 4-6 weeks but we're still at 5,000 cases per day so I'm not sure it will ever come down fully.

 

Vaccine supplies look like they're going to be dwindling down at the end of March for a few weeks.. I wonder if we will be increasing export to Europe or the EU are going to block exports to the UK and US?

I think it will be this way for a while, this is the impact of late Jan/early Feb when we were still at 20,000 cases per day. I suspect it will slowly come down over the next 4-6 weeks but we're still at 5,000 cases per day so I'm not sure it will ever come down fully.

 

Vaccine supplies look like they're going to be dwindling down at the end of March for a few weeks.. I wonder if we will be increasing export to Europe or the EU are going to block exports to the UK and US?

 

Which still boggles my mind. I can't believe we're still suffering from the Christmas fallout which was literally 12 weeks ago. Because people couldn't possibly have been spreading it after that could they?

Edited March 17, 20214 yr by Dobbo.

Which still boggles my mind. I can't believe we're still suffering from the Christmas fallout which was literally 12 weeks ago. Because people couldn't possibly have been spreading it after that could they?

 

oh of course it was spreading still, but I watched a news interview last night and the patters of the increased spread was linked to deprivation. Same old problems we have always had and will continue to have going forward. There are loads of places predominately up north where measures work to a certain degree, but not after that and it's all mainly linked to housing and jobs.

UK death rates still not coming down anywhere near as much as I thought they would have done by now. Still well over 100 every day consistently.

 

I mean they’ve decreased by 90%. Deaths from this virus are never going to be at zero, just like the flu it will always be in circulation to some extent.

Vaccine supplies look like they're going to be dwindling down at the end of March for a few weeks.. I wonder if we will be increasing export to Europe or the EU are going to block exports to the UK and US?

You’d have to start exporting first.

 

The EU suggesting it is going to start cutting off countries further ahead in the vaccine race (aka USA UK Israel and UAE). EU has exported 25m doses to other countries and 9m doses over and above that to the UK. The UK has done shit. 9m doesn’t mean much to the EU but that’s 40% of the UKs total doses. The UK wouldn’t be in it’s current smug little position without the EU allowing exports. Something the gov and brexshit press and shills are conveniently leaving out of the info packs to the public.

 

 

The EU currently vaccinating the world and the UK is.....jagging Wandsworth.

You’d have to start exporting first.

 

The EU suggesting it is going to start cutting off countries further ahead in the vaccine race (aka USA UK Israel and UAE). EU has exported 25m doses to other countries and 9m doses over and above that to the UK. The UK has done shit. 9m doesn’t mean much to the EU but that’s 40% of the UKs total doses. The UK wouldn’t be in it’s current smug little position without the EU allowing exports. Something the gov and brexshit press and shills are conveniently leaving out of the info packs to the public.

The EU currently vaccinating the world and the UK is.....jagging Wandsworth.

 

Yes the EU has allowed vaccine exports but we sign the manufacturing deal with the production company and not the Government. I stand to be corrected, but I don't think the UK has physically blocked any exports. AZ has prioritised the UK that much is certainty. The position we are in right now is because we adopted a different strategy, due to the horrendous situation we were in (which does appear to have worked) and also because our own regulators and Government didn't single handedly create vaccine chaos. We could export 10 million doses and they'd just sit in a warehouse for 6 months before expiring.

 

Anyway, from doing a bit more reading I think the shortages are from AZ and the yields. Both sides are using the vaccine to drive a Brexit shape wedge though but sooner or later you'd expect someone's bluff will be called.

There is zero published information to suggest that the UK has exported a single dose of vaccine. Nada. Given who is in power there is zero rational or logical reason to suspect that the data is missing for any reason other than that it simply hasn’t happened.

 

The EU has sent 34m doses out of the door. 34m million doses would put us a lot further along the line than we are.

 

 

Regardless, the EU is not the source of our current issues, rather ineffective local roll outs controlled fully by national governments. Additionally, the EU means that countries like Malta and Slovakia actually have doses instead of being at the back of the queue still waiting. Perspectives matter and it’s easy to get wrapped up in the failures of NL and DEs vaccine roll out and the weird noises from the French while overlooking the many smaller nations with good roll outs who only have supplies at all because of the EU scheme.

There is zero published information to suggest that the UK has exported a single dose of vaccine. Nada. Given who is in power there is zero rational or logical reason to suspect that the data is missing for any reason other than that it simply hasn’t happened.

 

The EU has sent 34m doses out of the door. 34m million doses would put us a lot further along the line than we are.

Regardless, the EU is not the source of our current issues, rather ineffective local roll outs controlled fully by national governments. Additionally, the EU means that countries like Malta and Slovakia actually have doses instead of being at the back of the queue still waiting. Perspectives matter and it’s easy to get wrapped up in the failures of NL and DEs vaccine roll out and the weird noises from the French while overlooking the many smaller nations with good roll outs who only have supplies at all because of the EU scheme.

 

I think the UK can veto any vaccine exports but I'm led to believe all manufacturing companies decide where the exports go to based off contractual agreements. The EU don't control the phramacutical companies though and dictate who they should send their supplies to, that's between the companies and the indivdual nations. You can't give credit to the EU for allowing vaccine exportation! The EU is also absolutely massive so logic would dictate there are a wider ranger of manufacturing facilities and exisiting infastructre. Although I totally agree the current mess is not down to the EU and to some individual states.

 

I don't think the AZ storm in January helped, but certainly the powerful member states in particular have created vaccine inferiority and almost allowing a third wave to take control in some instances. I do think Macron's comments were negligence and the influence of those comments is still occuring today. I just can't see how the AZ rollout ever gets there in Europe unfortunately.

Yes the EU has allowed vaccine exports but we sign the manufacturing deal with the production company and not the Government. I stand to be corrected, but I don't think the UK has physically blocked any exports. AZ has prioritised the UK that much is certainty. The position we are in right now is because we adopted a different strategy, due to the horrendous situation we were in (which does appear to have worked) and also because our own regulators and Government didn't single handedly create vaccine chaos. We could export 10 million doses and they'd just sit in a warehouse for 6 months before expiring.

 

Anyway, from doing a bit more reading I think the shortages are from AZ and the yields. Both sides are using the vaccine to drive a Brexit shape wedge though but sooner or later you'd expect someone's bluff will be called.

The roll out is being handled by individual governments, not the EU.

 

While the UK has not blocked the export of vaccines, we haven't actually exported a single dose yet. AZ are fulfilling their contract with the UK while ignoring their obligations to the EU. There may yet be a price to pay for that.

 

As for the regulators, the EU have now approved more different vaccines than the UK.

5th is on the cards as well. Sputnik looks like its data is legit and extremely promising. EMA should approve soon and there’s already 4 production deals to make it within the EU too.

 

Janssen is already rowing back on volumes so it’s Good that BioNTechs new factory is up and will be delivering 10m more doses than expected!

 

 

 

And Roo, national law trumps contracts as we’ve seen plenty of time (eg that time that Germany blocked exports of PPE to other EU countries 12 months ago). Doesn’t matter what contracts say, they operate within the law not above it. This is barely the start of the story for AZ and the EU though I suspect

Some interesting updates on the BBC this morning

 

- UK Delayed doses are from India

- EU has exported 41m doses including 1m to the US who have an active export ban

- Over 10m doses have gone to the UK

- UK has a defacto export ban in place and no exports have actually taken place

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Superb thread on how, from a scientific standpoint, AZ might actually be the cause of the blood clots

Ian Hislop saying on QT tonight it’s been a pretty embarrassing episode for the EU who seem to be blaming everyone else for their poor rollout and the fact they would try and scare people into not taking the vaccine as part of the story.

“The EU” hasn’t suspended the use of any vaccine so Hislop is being rather disingenuous here. Besides, most of the EU countries who suspended the AZ vaccine will start using it again over the next few days

Didn’t really need all the nonsense though to scare people. You get the feeling they were playing games. His point is correct though their rollout has been a shambles compared to other countries. He also pointed out they weren’t complaining about the US just Britain for some reason....🤔

Hislop is chatting out his arse.

 

The EU is on record as going after the US too. The US has received doses from the EU and operates an export ban. All of the comments about the UK having an export ban (which is becoming more and more apparent that they actually do and you know this because the gov is sending more and more shills out to screech that they don’t) That the Brexit media had a fit about also took aim at the US.

 

Although in particular the target is not the UK but AZ. It’s a mess wholly of AZs making. Lest we forget that the US has thus far declined to approve AZ for use there. Their own trial data was a complete mess and so the nations not approving for 65+ only did so because the trial data the company provided (up to that point the only data that was available) was unreliable for that age bracket. The EU however approved it for all ages right off the bat.

 

Again we see the UK wilfully Blurring the line between EU and National competence to further their own agenda. The EU sure has blame for a botched procurement strategy but they’re not to blame for countries unable to actually use the doses they have. Germany has 2m doses chilling out in fridges/freezers. For example Berlin has not used 20% of the doses it has received from the federal government. This ain’t the EUs problem!! This is the problem of a city that took over a decade to build a f***ing Airport and cant make a Single infrastructure Project run on time

 

 

And again the criticism of the EU from the UK is interesting because while they’re screaming about the possibility of an export ban and how wrong that is (while enforcing a contractual export ban with the only vaccine being produced in the country) it’s because at the root of it all, their success is built on imported doses and if everyone else starts to play by their rules then rather suddenly they find themselves not that much better off than the EU. As usual with the Tories, they’re not interested in a fair level playing field and will gaslight your into believing that the field isn’t tilted in their favour when it’s so tilted it’s basically f***ing vertical.

Didn’t really need all the nonsense though to scare people. You get the feeling they were playing games. His point is correct though their rollout has been a shambles compared to other countries. He also pointed out they weren’t complaining about the US just Britain for some reason....🤔

But the "nonsense" hasn't come from the EU; it has come from individual member states. I'm wondering whether you are beginning to believe the tabloid and Tory nonsense about there being no such thing as national autonomy within the EU. That's before you consider that Norway and Iceland were among the first European states to suspend use of the AZ vaccine. Neither of them is a member of the EU.

 

 

EMA have recommended that AZ vaccine as safe for use. There is no causal link to clotting, however there might be low risk to clotting where low platelets are concerned but they have not been able to determine this.

 

They say the benefits of this vaccine outweigh any risks.

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-...are-blood-clots

 

Italy and Cyprus are expected to resume AZ vaccinations today.

The USA will be sending unused doses of the AZ vaccine (which hasn't yet been approved in the US) to Mexico.

 

China will be allowing overseas visitors who can prove they have had a vaccine - as long as it is a Chinese vaccine. That sets a very unwelcome precedent which I hope no other country will follow.

The USA will be sending unused doses of the AZ vaccine (which hasn't yet been approved in the US) to Mexico.

 

China will be allowing overseas visitors who can prove they have had a vaccine - as long as it is a Chinese vaccine. That sets a very unwelcome precedent which I hope no other country will follow.

 

Yeah that's a s*itty move from China. Not that west has been innocent when it comes to dicking around and playing games as far as vaccines are concerned, but this sets a dangerous precedent.

 

I just hope other countries don't take the bait and pull the same move on China.