September 7, 20213 yr And again..... Can I remind people (especially one obvious troll), that this is a Madonna forum - and whilst being a superfan of other artists is commendable, the facts don't lie, however much you want them to!!!! Here's a little poll for you from 2011 when Gaga was hot-ish, and M not so much. Madonna got 5 times as many votes as Gaga. Gaga as The Queen of Pop?!!!! It's never going to happen, love, despite you wanting it to be so. You bet on the wrong horse, Gaga will never be the Queen of Pop. Ever. She's bloody talented though (I don't care for her voice), but her songs aren't so bad. Enjoy them, be happy and enjoy Gaga's success, she's great, just not Madonna-great..... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-li...2/8-cher-77300/ Rolling Stone? The magazine that calls Gaga the queen of pop since day one? Pls :rofl: As you mentioned 2011, here's another one of the many stories they say Gaga is the new queen of pop: Surprised? Not likely. Lady Gaga as Queen of Pop makes a lot of intuitive sense. No matter how we cut the numbers, Gaga was bound to crush the competition. Even if we’d stuck to data from 2010 and 2011, her massive album and singles sales swamp her competitors. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-ne...n-of-pop-66301/ Try another way girl ^_^
September 7, 20213 yr Madonna WAS that artist. That's the point. Exactly, she was that artist, times have changed.
September 7, 20213 yr Gaga might be the modern “Queen of Pop” but Madonna will always be the REAL Queen of Pop!
September 7, 20213 yr Exactly, she was that artist, times have changed. Yep and she changed with them, indeed in some circumstances she made the change in music and culture happen too. Queen of pop isn’t a title you award to someone in a moment, it’s based upon an entire career. I have absolutely nothing against Gaga, indeed I think she's great and vary talented. But she simply hasn't had the prolonged career with sufficient high points to claim the title yet.
September 7, 20213 yr If Michael Jackson is still the King of Pop when he hasn't been with us for over ten years, does that mean Madonna will still be the Queen of Pop long after she has left us? (assuming she is still the Queen of Pop now, of course!)
September 7, 20213 yr I think people need to remember that the whole thing started with Michael Jackson proclaiming himself as The King of Pop (because of his penis envy of Elvis being "The King of Rock"); so media started looking at who would be the Queen to Michael's King and well, there was Madonna and the title stuck because she kept having hits for such a long time. When you look at her entire career it's quite impressive that she could score hits for 25 years straight - how many other artists can claim that? Most just fade from the charts eventually. I doubt many of those mentioned in this thread will rival her longevity. And yes, of course, just like Elvis has stayed "The King of Rock (& Roll)", so will Madonna. She (and Michael) represents a cultural movement, so you just can't transfer titles like that. Edited September 7, 20213 yr by tommie
September 7, 20213 yr If Michael Jackson is still the King of Pop when he hasn't been with us for over ten years, does that mean Madonna will still be the Queen of Pop long after she has left us? (assuming she is still the Queen of Pop now, of course!) Michael will always be the king of pop because you don't have any artists as good as him these days. Who would you elect to the throne? Bieber? The Weeknd? The closest thing to Michael's greatness we have these days is Bruno Mars, he's amazing and has longevity, but he lacks the untouchable pop artist look that Michael had. There was never a Brunomania like there was a Michaelmania, and there will never be another one again. But in Gaga's case, you have to be blind or deaf not to witness for all the great artistry and talent she has in her blood.
September 7, 20213 yr Madonna was only the female standout of her time because there wasn't an artist like Gaga in her time. There wasn't a female artist capable of singing, composing, dancing, producing, acting and directing like Gaga does. I totally agree with this in the sense that Gaga and Madonna both do all of those things and there wasn’t someone who come around like that from Madonna’s debut until Gaga. That’s definitely why Madonna was threatened in 2012 and acted the way she did. I still would say Madonna will be known as the Queen of Pop for at least the next two decades though. Gaga deserves another title anyways as she’s more than just a pop artist. Icon of her generation feels fitting :heart: Edited September 7, 20213 yr by Jord
September 7, 20213 yr I totally agree with this in the sense that Gaga and Madonna both do all of those things and there wasn’t someone who come around like that from Madonna’s debut until Gaga. That’s definitely why Madonna was threatened in 2012 and acted the way she did. I still would say Madonna will be known as the Queen of Pop for at least the next two decades though. Gaga deserves another title anyways as she’s more than just a pop artist. Icon of her generation feels fitting :heart: Too late, Gaga accepted her fate of being Madonna's successor on the throne and she gave evidence of that... Holding on so tight to this status It's not real but I'll try to grab it :friends:
September 7, 20213 yr I seen this tweet from Lizzo and was thinking hmm at some of the choices. Madonna is definitely the Queen I’d say and I’d say globally she probably is seen as the Queen of Pop. With Janet Jackson she was never (to my knowledge) culturally as huge as Madonna ever was. I know Janet was huge in the US but I unfortunately (I say that as it’s not something I think should be the case but just feel is) feel with Janet if you asked someone in the UK to name a Janet Jackson song many people would struggle to even name one of the top of their head. She’s probably known as Michael’s sister over here above anything from her her own career. Just look at her Glastonbury set the crowd were dead during it and most looked like they had no clue who she was definitely not a crowd watching the Queen of Pop. Compare that to Madonna and pretty much everyone even people younger than me would know at least one song from her or would know her face or name. She’s undeniably the Queen. She’s had much more impact on a global scale and she’s pushed far more boundaries, has more controversies and has had more impact on popular music today than what any other woman has had. As far as the UK goes I’d probably say Kylie Minogue is the next person in line after Madonna but she’s still quite a way ahead. Gaga in the future will definitely be seen as a legend but I think she’s different to Madonna. Gagas career arc I think will be a bit more Cher / Streisand like than Madonna. I 100% agree with all of this. I was thinking Gaga will be more like a Cher, Stesiand across the board possible EGOT legend, but Madonna will always be undeniably the Queen because she did it all in music first. She paved the way for the rest.
September 7, 20213 yr I've just read through the thread and I was going to apologise to you Adelita if you felt I was attacking you by quoting you when I wasn't at all, then I continued reading and saw you quote several people disagreeing with them when they never asked for your opinion... and I just thought what a hypocrite no apology needed. :lol:
September 8, 20213 yr Queen of Pop is a nickname most commonly associated with American singer Madonna. Queen of Pop may also refer to: Several other musicians, see honorific nicknames in popular music Queen of Pop (album), a 2000 album by Marcia Hines "Queen of Pop", an annual award given out at the Australian pop music awards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Pop_(disambiguation)
September 8, 20213 yr Rolling Stone? The magazine that calls Gaga the queen of pop since day one? Pls :rofl: As you mentioned 2011, here's another one of the many stories they say Gaga is the new queen of pop: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-ne...n-of-pop-66301/ Try another way girl ^_^ The much-criticized Rolling Stone article you quote, only looked at 2009-11 (such a narrow window) to come up with the new Queen of Pop. There was a massive uproar over it; and it's only taking the temperature for 2 years when M didn't release anything new and wasn't active. If they did it for the years 2019-2021 it's likely Dua Lipa would be the new Queen of Pop. The article you mention is flawed, I'd like to see it done over a decade, which is more representative. In response to that article, Rolling Stone asked the public, and Madonna was overwhelmingly voted the Queen of Pop - getting 5 times more votes than gaga. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-li...-madonna-58257/ I'm not replying again, I'm not interested in debating this because Madonna was and still is the Queen of Pop. I've already detailed why - Biggest-selling female artist of all time, biggest solo touring artist, and on and on... (I'd be happy to entertain the idea of either Beyonce or Rhianna as the 21st Century Queen of Pop) - but not Gaga, she doesn't even come close to those. People can keep banging the Gaga drum as much as they like - much like the declaration that Kylie or Janet is the Queen of Pop - it doesn't make it a fact. Gaga as mentioned before by others, is for me, a Streisand-like artist, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't like Gaga's voice nor Streisands, but they've both done some decent music, but they both bore me and that's why I'm in the Madonna forum and not the Gaga one. Once again, this is a Madonna forum, not a place to keep banging on about Gaga or indeed anyone else. That's what their forums are for.
September 8, 20213 yr Now hold on a minute- I was literally about to quote this too. Of all the factually incorrect statements in this thread, this is one a whole other level.
September 9, 20213 yr I was literally about to quote this too. Of all the factually incorrect statements in this thread, this is one a whole other level. Incorrect to you*
September 9, 20213 yr I 100% agree with all of this. I was thinking Gaga will be more like a Cher, Stesiand across the board possible EGOT legend, but Madonna will always be undeniably the Queen because she did it all in music first. She paved the way for the rest. She did everything she did in music because she didn't have the talent to do it in Hollywood, which was always her biggest dream (to win an Oscar). Needless to say what is Madonna's biggest inspiration, right? A certain blonde actress best known for that scene where her dress almost flies off (hint: Madonna in her prime did an entire video inspired by a movie this actress starred in)…
September 9, 20213 yr Kylie is main contender for "Queen of Pop", but only in parallel universes where Madonna does not exist. :)
September 10, 20213 yr I'm not replying again, I'm not interested in debating this because Madonna was and still is the Queen of Pop. I've already detailed why - Biggest-selling female artist of all time, biggest solo touring artist, and on and on... (I'd be happy to entertain the idea of either Beyonce or Rhianna as the 21st Century Queen of Pop) - but not Gaga, she doesn't even come close to those. People can keep banging the Gaga drum as much as they like - much like the declaration that Kylie or Janet is the Queen of Pop - it doesn't make it a fact. Gaga as mentioned before by others, is for me, a Streisand-like artist, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't like Gaga's voice nor Streisands, but they've both done some decent music, but they both bore me Luckily that's your opinion, not mine B-)
