Feel a bit for Haas, they've had the black and orange flag multiple times this season and yet see two cars drive round with bits hanging off on Sunday without getting penalised in any way. The way Perez's wing end plate flew off showed why Magnussen has rightly received them, unsure whether it fell off before the flag normally comes out?

I don't think Magnussen should have been meatballed on either occasion he received the flag, but if that's the way the FIA want to go with it, we're going to have a lot more driver's races potentially ruined by throwing the flag out even if the car is perfectly driveable. it seems we've gone a little too far in this direction of over cautious. The teams need to have a meeting with the FIA agree on standards going forward.

And will they also start deploying the flag more often for mechanical issues? Arguably, Leclerc's win in Austria fits the written criteria for a car with 'serious mechanical problems'

The cynicism in me feels they throw flags at backmarker/midfield teams willy-nilly but as soon as it comes to a leading team or would have an impact at the sharp end of a race they bottle it.

Glad to see the ridiculous pen is overturned. The protest should never have been allowed to stand in the first place. If Haas cba to get their shit together then that’s their problem.

 

Nando drove the shit out of that car (although we need to talk about Enstone for a sec because the crew has built a f***ing tank. Wtf is that suspension made out of?!) and it was gutting to see that hardwork undone by a bunch of bitter Betty’s (I was happy until this they’d found a new sponsor. Now they can go bankrupt x)

 

 

The FIA/Stewards failed multiple times to issue the flag at Haas‘ request. So while yes there is a valid question to be asked about the issuance of this flag and it’s application, the fact that they threw out the one against RBR but not Alpine already spoke volumes but also I’m not sure this is the best forum to work through the legitimate complaint by trying to sabotage the drive of the season

They shouldn't have given him that penalty post race in the first place so I'm glad with the conclusion. The stewards / RC should also face some kind of performance warning for not providing the correct feedback to Haas.

Whilst the penalty shouldn't have been as severe as it was, when the penalty was handed out I felt it was appropriate to penalise him...

 

Completely see where Haas came from, with Kevin being warned every other race for racing with and unsafe car and very disappointed that it seems there won't be any repercussions for either Red Bull/Pérez or Alpine/Alonso.

If they cared that much they should have done the paperwork on time

 

 

They have reason to be annoyed at inconsistencies but the Haas shouldn’t have been flagged. The cars have all been perfectly safe

I don't think Magnussen should have been meatballed on either occasion he received the flag, but if that's the way the FIA want to go with it, we're going to have a lot more driver's races potentially ruined by throwing the flag out even if the car is perfectly driveable. it seems we've gone a little too far in this direction of over cautious. The teams need to have a meeting with the FIA agree on standards going forward.

 

I had thought the same about Magnusson but then when I saw how Perez's flew off to the side at high speed last weekend I got why he kept being called in and they'd consider it dangerous.

Red Bull have been fined $7m and had their aero testing allowance reduced as punishment for their breach of the cost cap

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How ever will they cope.

The fine isn't even as much as a team could overspend by and still only commit a minor breach ($7.25m), guess it's a free for all next year then!

A quick read through suggest RBR over spent by £1.864m of which £1.431 was down to a tax credit that wasn't applied as it should have been - this is likely to be the procedural error. Had this have been done correctly the actual overspend is £432,652 (0.37).

 

This remaining balance appears to be down a difference of interpretation over payment of sick and bonus pay to an employee who was on sick or gardening leave and not in any way related the cars development. There may also have been minor accounting errors on catering and apprentice costs.

 

I'm sure full clarification will come in time but it doesn't read to me like they bought their way to the title as the overspend is unrelated to car performance - some of it not even F1 related according to the FIA's statement.

 

That said they broke the rules so a punishment is fair and it does seem they they gained nothing performance related from the overspend (although I suspect that won't stop Mercedes and Hamilton's less reasoned and informed fans from shouting cheats at them for a few years)

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Aston Martin have been fined $450,000 for their procedural breach of cost cap - this seems to relate to incorrectly filed costs surrounding a tax credit, transferable parts, simulator costs, wind tunnel fees, HQ and service desk costs.

If they cared that much they should have done the paperwork on time

They have reason to be annoyed at inconsistencies but the Haas shouldn’t have been flagged. The cars have all been perfectly safe

Agreed on your first point. Not on the second...

 

If it was "perfectly safe", Nando wouldn't have been slapped with a penalty. I'd argue that your mirror flapping about is not safe at all - your awareness of oncoming cars behind could be compromised (which could lead to exactly the same thing as happened to him, happening to someone else), and you run the risk of it detaching and slotting through the halo.

 

As I say, 30 seconds penalty is harsh. But Haas have a point. Maybe the result shouldn't be upturned, but Alpine should imo be fined, or a grid penalty applied... Or something! Haas were penalised in their races (by virtue of needing to pit/fix the damage), they have every right to be pissed off.

Still my favourite

 

Ferrari: Gilles, you need to come in for repairs

 

Gilles: Nah, it's fine, I'm still faster than everyone else

 

Race director: Nothing wrong with that car

 

 

Not surprised to not see a single comment in this thread during or after the race :lol: well one race always has to be the most boring of the season doesn't it?

 

At least Danny Ric put in his one great performance of the season, he deserved something memorable before his forced hiatus.

 

 

Best driver: Verstappen [fair play for actually keeping the lead into turn 1 from pole]

Worst driver: Latifi [HOW are you finishing a lap behind everyone, just how...]

Best team: Mercedes [close with Red Bull but I'll give it to Merc as they didn't botch any pit stops]

Worst team: Haas [Ferrari a close second, a minute off RB, look how far they've fallen]

Best overtake: Ocon on Bottas

Worst overtake: Ricciardo on Tsunoda [though ironically this unleashed beast mode]

Best moment: When the race ended

Worst moment: Laps 1-71

Best thing about the race: It was a race

Worst thing about the race: The tyre offsets didn't make it as interesting as it should have been

 

And the race in a sentence: Max's 14 wins makes F1 history, how anyone exceeds that is a mystery

Best driver: Max Verstappen

Worst driver: Nicholas Latifi

Best Team: Mercedes

Worst Team: Haas (were they in this race)

Best Overtake: Ocon on Bottas

Worst overtake: Ricciardo on Tsunoda

Best Moment: Ricciardo's 'overtake' on Tsunoda

Worst Moment: All of it

Best Thing About The Race: I got to see it live.

Worst Thing About The Race: The Grand Prix I watched live was the most boring race of the season.

 

 

 

And the race in a sentence: Max's Monster Mash makes it 14 wins.

 

Alonso retired from more races than Hamilton and Vettel combined.

 

However, interestingly Button retired more often than Alonso.

That just shows how much of a shambles the McLaren Honda mk2 era was!

you're so biased, Mercedes was horrible tactically, putting the hard tyres and on both cars, if they've done like Ricciardo they've won

Ricciardo drove like shit but was just lucky with the tyre choice