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Freedom of speech for all!...Except when you show disdain towards this rich family of inherited wealth you don't know, then FOR SHAME :arrr:

 

 

That's ... not a good look, and shows how corrupt the entire rotten establishment is in the UK (as we alreasy saw with even the charts manipulating the Sex Pistols' sales, and having police chase them down the Thames in motorboats!!!).

yikes we're not any better than Russia now you can get arrested for holding a blank sign. shameful.

It's pretty mad - and while I support the free speech element, holding a sign with "f*** imperialism and destroy the monarchy" just seems a bit too much? I don't support them being arrested, but I think there is a time and a place. The current monarchy had zero to do with imperialism, just my opinion and I am sure if any new country was setting up soveringty they would establish a Republic system rather than a monarchy, I just can't help but feel the battle against the monarchy is the wrong battle to be facing. They wield little power and I get the arguments about opening up the palaces etc. would bring money to the economy, but just all feels like the wrong battle for a family whose power is symbolic and influential rather than real.

What happened to freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is an elusive utopian concept that never existed in its pure form so this does not surprise me at all.

That'll be the Policing Bill coming into effect, which needs to be repealed as soon as these Tory authoritarians are out of office. They have the freedom to decide anyone is 'disturbing the peace', a sign saying 'f**k' ain't it, nor is this other story about a guy who shouted 'Who elected him?'.

 

This is exactly the time and the place to debate our system, it's not like any other funeral, indeed it's a STATE funeral, so it involves all of us. It must be able to be protested.

One thing I can’t get my head around is why Camilla is known as Queen Consort but when Philip was alive he was only referred to as a prince? Was the last king’s spouse also referred to as Queen consort?

Phillip turned it down.

One thing I can’t get my head around is why Camilla is known as Queen Consort but when Philip was alive he was only referred to as a prince? Was the last king’s spouse also referred to as Queen consort?

 

Spouses of a male monarch have always been ‘Queen’ or ‘Queen Consort’ to distinguish them from a Queen Regnant, who Elizabeth was.

 

because monarchy is a stupid outdated male-dominant idea any ‘King’ is presumed to outrank a ‘Queen’ so spouses of Queens Regnant have traditionally taken or kept the Prince title they already had if they’re not ruling in their own right.

Yup, they can be prince regent, since Victoria, but like Philli,p kost just stick to prince.

It's pretty mad - and while I support the free speech element, holding a sign with "f*** imperialism and destroy the monarchy" just seems a bit too much? I don't support them being arrested, but I think there is a time and a place. The current monarchy had zero to do with imperialism, just my opinion and I am sure if any new country was setting up soveringty they would establish a Republic system rather than a monarchy, I just can't help but feel the battle against the monarchy is the wrong battle to be facing. They wield little power and I get the arguments about opening up the palaces etc. would bring money to the economy, but just all feels like the wrong battle for a family whose power is symbolic and influential rather than real.

 

Too much? Ok then.

 

Now is the perfect time to discuss whether a monarchy is beneficial or not. Strike whilst the iron is hot. It’s bizarre that we have a family born into privilege even if they don’t have any power. It’s actually a REALLY weird concept and it feels like only now are people starting to properly question it and realise just how strange it all is. It’s absolutely backwards. No one is worried about their ‘power’, everyone knows they don’t have any. It’s the blatant unfairness of life that they represent. It totally is a battle we should be facing, particularly when our fiendish government use this family as a constant shield and claiming all of their horrendous actions are ‘patriotic’.

Too much? Ok then.

 

Now is the perfect time to discuss whether a monarchy is beneficial or not. Strike whilst the iron is hot. It’s bizarre that we have a family born into privilege even if they don’t have any power. It’s actually a REALLY weird concept and it feels like only now are people starting to properly question it and realise just how strange it all is. It’s absolutely backwards. No one is worried about their ‘power’, everyone knows they don’t have any. It’s the blatant unfairness of life that they represent. It totally is a battle we should be facing, particularly when our fiendish government use this family as a constant shield and claiming all of their horrendous actions are ‘patriotic’.

 

Here here

 

Anyone who thinks the royals don’t have any influence on their weekly ‘chats’ with the PM is living in cloud cuckoo land!

Bike racks and Centre Parks closing, people getting arrested for dsring to protest peacefully... There's showing respect, and then there's, well, this.

Centre Parks closing is absolutely disgusting. Telling people they have to f*** off for 24 hours in the middle of a holiday? The Queen wouldn’t have wanted that.

She also wouldn't have wanted people recording her coffin on their phones, clapping and cheering as she went past, and shouting, the Queen is dead! Long live the king! It's becoming an absolute circus, with a distinct lack of respect and common sense.

The Center Parks decision is barmy. Where are people supposed to go?

Also with Iz on this. Couldn’t really give less of a shit if I tried. I’m not a republican or a royalist, I’m generally ambivalent about it but I am so glad to be out of the country right now. I really can’t stand this performative shite. Like it’s sad and a major event in global history (but as a millennial already had more than enough of those thanks) but it doesn’t really impact me directly, she’s not my gran. I didn’t know her. She’s just part of the wild state structure we have from being part of a near 1500 year old monarchy and all the absolute insanity and pomp and circumstance and weird BS that comes with that.

 

People cancelling holidays…like get a grip of yourself

 

well obv aimed at my friend here, so... No, you get a grip. WTAF that you think you have a right to tell other people what to believe or feel or do. If you feel that strongly about everyone doing what you want feel free to run for office and see how you do. I'm not a Monarchist, I'm fairly ambivalent, but from what Ive seen online elsewhere at the shitshow of comments followjng the death of the Queen, the complete lack of self-awareness from people who think that this is an opportunity to try and bring down an institution that has just proved its globally popular is just own-goal-scoring. What really pisses people off about leftyism is the inability to accept people may have alternative views, that judgementalism is just so offputting. And all of this reactionary untimely BS is playing directly into the hands of the Tories. So business as usual then. If we ever DO get another "Brexit-type" vote on the Monarchy, in favour of an elected President, does anyone REALLY think that the majority of the nation hates the Monarchy enough to want another periodic voting opportunity for a replacement? Cos that's not what I hear from people, unless I pop on down to the local annual Tolpuddle festival which gets supported by hundreds of people from all over the UK.

 

 

Other comments: The Monarch IS NOT PERMITTED TO GET INVOLVED IN ANYTHING POLITICAL! We, the British people who vote for the governments are responsible. That's us. Think about it. We have the oldest democracy on the planet, pretty much, and yet we keep voting in the people who really should be getting the criticism. And our human rights are pretty much among the best in the world. Now. Very few nations used to have much of a record, actually, the British were just more successful at imposing their will one way or another. Yet, Germany gets less of a slagging off despite voting in and going along with a man responsible for mass murder across continents. Have they said they are sorry? Does that make everything OK now or did those people all miraculously return from the dead? Cos The Queen actually lived during that time and contributed to the war effort, so let's hear a more balanced view on the rights and wrongs of history and who is actually responsible for what. Cos to me, it's blame shifting. WE are responsible, just as the Germans are responsible, the Spanish are responsible, the French are responsible, the Dutch are responsible, the Russians are responsible, the Japanese are responsible, and almost every other nation that has ever existed is if you go back far enough.

 

The Prince Of Wales previously did dabble in some famous issues (and got royally slagged off for it by the right-wing), and yet was forced to sit through the Scottish Green rep basically assigning blame to British royalty for all the things done by the British Gov, blissfully and jaw-droppingly unaware that King Charles has been pushing environmental issues while he was busy pissing up the school wall, and that King Charles now has no say in even that. And that he's directly descended from the Scottish monarch who acquired the UK monarchy as part of a political deal is just hilarious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right-wing nutjob MP Kevin Hollinrake has complained about the BBC giving over five minutes of the Today programme to speak to an anti-monarchist. He has even suggested that such people should never get any airtime.

Too much? Ok then.

 

Now is the perfect time to discuss whether a monarchy is beneficial or not. Strike whilst the iron is hot. It’s bizarre that we have a family born into privilege even if they don’t have any power. It’s actually a REALLY weird concept and it feels like only now are people starting to properly question it and realise just how strange it all is. It’s absolutely backwards. No one is worried about their ‘power’, everyone knows they don’t have any. It’s the blatant unfairness of life that they represent. It totally is a battle we should be facing, particularly when our fiendish government use this family as a constant shield and claiming all of their horrendous actions are ‘patriotic’.

 

Did you read my post or just look for a way to start an argument?

 

Yes it is totally bizarre we have a family born in to privilege and like I said in my post, no modern society would set up a monarchy as the concept it outdated. But unless we are a communist society and everyone is equal don't you think this happens across all walks of life every single day? The only reason people kick up a fuss is because it's in the media and we see it. Life is unfair full stop and their power is all influential rather than concrete. A President would have the same sort of influential power too. The iron is not hot for taking down the Monarchy at this moment in time and nor is it the problem at hand with our country.