15% inflation, no pay rises, am energy and climate crisis, a USELESS neolibersl government of plutocrats ... It feels like the Fall of Rome. This will hasten the UK's decline into secondary power, at best status. Oh shet - now Sunak can say we are all extremists for saying this :rolleyes:

 

Yes sunaks latest brsinwave is to curb free speech and fact spreading. Thats exactly what he is suggesting. The same technique putin uses. Start off with a vague law that can be taken any number of ways and pick and choose who you want to silence. Quite a lot of short arses in history are control freaks.

 

I think im safe there as im making it a multinational slagging off and as both twats seem keen on watering down the Equalities Act i doubt they will be adding "short arse" to the list of protected characteristics. Oh God if only i could get access to a decent topical sketch show i could have a field day with the 2 robots trying to outbid each other in an escalating war of rightwards movement that could only end with "anyone that isnt supporting me gets sent to an internment camp in rwanda for looking at me a bit dodgy"

I'm not British but I think Liz Truss is scary. Rishi sounds better to me, even though I'm not familiar with him and don't really know what he's like, he's got to be better than Truss anyway. (Labour's Keir Starmer also seems like a very good choice.)

Edited August 4, 20222 yr by ta-ra*el~la

I'm not British but I think Liz Truss is scary. Rishi sounds better to me, even though I'm not familiar with him and don't really know what he's like, he's got to be better than Truss anyway. (Labour's Keir Starmer also seems like a very good choice.)

 

I think most of the British electorate prefer Sunak than Truss as he appears to be the lesser of the two evils but the problem is the vote is in the hands of Conservative party members who seem to prefer Truss to benefit their own interests.

Edited August 4, 20222 yr by slowdown73

Truss is just a liar and wants to be PM, Sunak from his vote history is actually more right wing!

Truss is just a liar and wants to be PM, Sunak from his vote history is actually more right wing!

 

100% THIS!!!

A month today until this shitshow concludes. Joy.

Sunak's vote history is far more right wing, but I think the difference between him and Truss is he is a much better politician and less likely to be influenced. Truss is way more dangerous as she is essentially like a substitute teacher and the backbenchers will be running the Party because she needs them for support. She's got some big names backing her at the moment, but they will absolutely throw her under the bus.

I'm not British but I think Liz Truss is scary. Rishi sounds better to me, even though I'm not familiar with him and don't really know what he's like, he's got to be better than Truss anyway. (Labour's Keir Starmer also seems like a very good choice.)

Truss will throw us into resection, go labour!

https://www.newstatesman.com/quickfire/2022...leadership-race

https://www.newstatesman.com/quickfire/2022...leadership-race

 

Not surprising. But hopefully it'll help put pressure on the conservative's polling numbers.

 

I hope Liz manages to do just as stellar a job as Johnson at reducing the conservative poll numbers, their current majority and making it easier for the other parties to come into power (whether labour alone or in coalition).

https://www.newstatesman.com/quickfire/2022...leadership-race

 

I thought he gave a good polished response but Jesus Christ, any one in the North who wants their town regenerated is an absolute mug for voting this Tory Party in.

Well Truss has already seen a bit of a backlash due to her remarks about British workers needing more graft. This is just one example of how she is so out of touch with the lives of many people living in the UK and reflects a Tory Party who are in an appalling state with nothing constructive or credible to offer to resolve the many problems that we are facing.

Edited August 17, 20222 yr by slowdown73

The people who vote for her this month will love that stuff!

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Liz Truss says British workers need ‘more graft’, as all too often they abandon their responsibilities and sod off to Greece.

The people who vote for her this month will love that stuff!

 

Indeed it's the establishment and elite making sure the lesser beings work like dogs and never complain to give them more and more wealth and luxury! The Tories would establish sweat shops in a heartbeat.

 

What was interesting about her comments is that she says that people wrongly blamed Europe for things - and I know she campaigned for Remain, but she said that between 2017 and 2019 AFTER she had that Damascene conversion to Brexit

Edited August 18, 20222 yr by Smint

Yes, well, blaming Europe comes over as self-harming if you got elected to "take back control" and fail miserably with everything you promised. We're not in the EU but we're still blaming the EU and foreigners cos those sunny, competitive uplands never turned up and we're all worse off.

 

So they have to stop blaming the EU because

a) that means Brexit was a waste of time

b) that means they lied about Brexit

c) those arguments will sound more and more pathetic as time goes by

d) one minor trade deal with Japan and Australia on similar terms to what we had in the EU shows how useless the Tories are now that we are "free" to Make Brexit Work - see Her Royal Lizness' roaring successes.

 

Truss personally cant blame the EU because:

a) she said Brexit would harm the economy and she was right

b) she can't say she was wrong 6 years ago because it means she showed terrible judgement if she was wrong, and a complete blinkered awareness of current problems amidst critics being able to say "so you were wrong 6 years ago? IWith poor judgement like that why should your judgement have got any better now that you've changed your mind completely based on no evidence to support the new view, other than 'We don't have a choice' but to make the best of a bad job"

 

The only thing they can try and blame is Ukraine and Covid. But that only works if we are doing better than everyone else is doing with the same issues. Which we're not.

Agree with all the above. A theme of some of the more odious Brexiteers currently is that 'We haven't unleashed the full benefits of Brexits' which effectively means a bonfire of employment and human rights regulations whicih will only empower the rich even further (common theme spotted anyone?)

 

Funnily enough that didn't make the sides of any campaign buses.

Indeed it's the establishment and elite making sure the lesser beings work like dogs and never complain to give them more and more wealth and luxury! The Tories would establish sweat shops in a heartbeat.

 

What was interesting about her comments is that she says that people wrongly blamed Europe for things - and I know she campaigned for Remain, but she said that between 2017 and 2019 AFTER she had that Damascene conversion to Brexit

 

She also was one of the authors of the Britannia Unchained pamphlet along with Kwasi Kwarteng et Al in 2010 which pushed a right wing economic agenda of less workers rights and longer hours working.

Agree with all the above. A theme of some of the more odious Brexiteers currently is that 'We haven't unleashed the full benefits of Brexits' which effectively means a bonfire of employment and human rights regulations whicih will only empower the rich even further (common theme spotted anyone?)

 

Funnily enough that didn't make the sides of any campaign buses.

 

I would imagine that most people who voted for Brexit believing the promises is now realising they were sold a crock by liars with alternative agendas, even if they try to use Ukraine and Covid as a self-convincing half-hearted justification for our dire situation. They can't ever admit that to anyone or they will be publicly announcing that they were gullible so it's the ballot box that will count - even if they dont bother voting for anyone at all that will help.

I find it difficult to not believe that a large proportion of Brexiters were fully aware of the shitshow it would create economically and socially AND went ahead with it anyhow, because of hatred of immigration and co-operating with Europe and the perceived liberal, progressive values that the project involved. It's like a cult religion and many are brainwashed still. That's why we can't have an honest conversation with a Brexiter about how damaging it has been and that's why the far right media will go more in on the culture wars to distract- going after woke, conflating the left with trumped up anti semetism, making a culture of fear for LGBT people etc etc

Edited August 19, 20222 yr by Smint