Such a powerful finale! And we got the iconic giraffes scene :wub:

 

The episode is all about grey areas. Joel was completely selfish with his decision to prevent the possibility of a cure, but of course you understand his motivations to save and protect his new-found daughter. Did he really need to kill every person he came across on his way up to the surgical unit though?

 

Ellie wasn't given the choice to know exactly what she was signing up for (so to speak). As far as I can gather I don't think she went into it contemplating that she might have to die... so that wasn't right of Marlene, to essentially lure Ellie there without being 100% clear. Although I guess you could argue that it would have been less traumatic for Ellie to not have realised she was about to die, and Marlene didn't want to risk the opportunity to fall through, by giving Ellie a choice.

 

Overall I immensely enjoyed this first season. I think they did a fantastic job of adapting a game. So much of the game would be finding ammo, killing just about everyone you encounter and having an endless supply of monsters... and I think the TV show did well to focus on their relationship and the actual beats of the story without every episode being a monster fest.

 

I know the direction The Last of Us 2 goes in, and all I can say is that I can't wait to see how that translates to screen...

It's funny watching history repeat itself with this finale — we have been debating this ending for the past decade.

 

 

Twitter will not be ready for Part 2. I can't wait.

 

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The Last of Us Part II is roughly twice the length as its predecessor, and it appears that will also be the case for the HBO Max adaptation. According to the show’s co-creators, that sequel will span over more than one season.

 

Speaking with GQ following the first season’s finale, Craig Mazin simply said it was “no way” going to be just one season and that “more than one [season] is factually correct.” Neil Druckmann, his fellow co-creator, chimed in and reiterated that it will be “more than one season.” He went on and spoke about what he’s looking forward to with those next few seasons.

 

“Some of the stuff I’m most excited for [in Part II] are the changes we’ve discussed and seeing the story come to life again in this other version,” said Druckmann. “And I think it’s exciting because it leans into those feelings you had from the game, really heavily, in a new way.”

 

Mazin also addressed how The Last of Us Part II specifically uses the video game medium to tell its story and how that connection isn’t lost on them when adapting it to a more passive format. He doesn’t go into specifics, but does say some events will be the same, while others will be new and different, much like the first season.

 

“I think we know what we’re doing on this one,” said Mazin. “I’m not saying that in snarky way, I’m saying that in a hopeful way. There are going to be things that are going to be different, and there are things that are going to be identical. There are things that are going to be added and enriched. There are some things that are going to be flipped. Our goal remains exactly what it was for the first season, which is to deliver a show that makes fans happy. We’ve got an incredible returning cast. It’s a daunting task. But Jesus, so was the first season. You can’t make everyone happy. But we’ve made a lot of people happy and that’s our intention to do it again.”

 

This split might have seemed obvious for some, as The Last of Us Part II is significantly longer than the first game since it offers multiple perspectives on the same story. It has a bigger cast, too, and it seems like the show might have already given a small glimpse at one of main characters from that follow-up.

 

https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1273541-...-multiple-split

I think game one could have easily been 2 seasons anyway!!

The Last of Us Part II is roughly twice the length as its predecessor, and it appears that will also be the case for the HBO Max adaptation. According to the show’s co-creators, that sequel will span over more than one season.

 

Speaking with GQ following the first season’s finale, Craig Mazin simply said it was “no way” going to be just one season and that “more than one [season] is factually correct.” Neil Druckmann, his fellow co-creator, chimed in and reiterated that it will be “more than one season.” He went on and spoke about what he’s looking forward to with those next few seasons.

 

“Some of the stuff I’m most excited for [in Part II] are the changes we’ve discussed and seeing the story come to life again in this other version,” said Druckmann. “And I think it’s exciting because it leans into those feelings you had from the game, really heavily, in a new way.”

 

Mazin also addressed how The Last of Us Part II specifically uses the video game medium to tell its story and how that connection isn’t lost on them when adapting it to a more passive format. He doesn’t go into specifics, but does say some events will be the same, while others will be new and different, much like the first season.

 

“I think we know what we’re doing on this one,” said Mazin. “I’m not saying that in snarky way, I’m saying that in a hopeful way. There are going to be things that are going to be different, and there are things that are going to be identical. There are things that are going to be added and enriched. There are some things that are going to be flipped. Our goal remains exactly what it was for the first season, which is to deliver a show that makes fans happy. We’ve got an incredible returning cast. It’s a daunting task. But Jesus, so was the first season. You can’t make everyone happy. But we’ve made a lot of people happy and that’s our intention to do it again.”

 

This split might have seemed obvious for some, as The Last of Us Part II is significantly longer than the first game since it offers multiple perspectives on the same story. It has a bigger cast, too, and it seems like the show might have already given a small glimpse at one of main characters from that follow-up.

 

https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1273541-...-multiple-split

 

No shock really, Part II is way more complex in it's storytelling & narrative and it makes sense to split it out over two seasons. The only thing that concerns me a little is the main plot point of Season 2 and when that happens. I guess it makes a lot of sense to

spend some time fleshing the flashbacks out, developing Ellie/Dina/Jesse.

But if they do that, not a great deal happens in Season 2. Makes so much sense to me to

flesh Abby out and leave Season 2 ending with Ellie setting off for Seattle.

 

 

I'll watch the season 1 finale later and give my thoughts.

Do you think that they could have made a cure??

Do you think that they could have made a cure??

 

Probably :lol:

 

Really enjoyed the finale. My one gripe is they miss so much out of the Salt Lake City sequence and the finale feels so fast paced compared to everything else before. I really enjoyed the pacing personally, but it feels so much different compared to the rest of the series. In the game you feel Joel does what he does out of love, but in the show I felt differently and what he did was a horrible thing born out of greed. The show paints the idea Joel was wrong, but in the game it's slightly more ambigious. I think the ending is one that stays with you lon after, a cliffhanger but one that people can bring their own thoughts and theories to.

 

All here for Season 2 & people to lose their shit on numerous levels :hithead:

For me the episode was successful in highlighting the grey areas of the whole situation, so my interpretation wasn’t that Joel was flat out horrible or greedy for what he did. Ultimately he saved Ellie from a death that she hadn’t given consent to and I’d say that’s a familial level of love and protection.

 

It would likely have been a futile exercise anyway. I watched some theories and it was pointed out that vaccines are for viruses, not fungus… so in all likelihood it wouldn’t have worked. I don’t think we should fully trust that the fireflies knew what they were doing and that it definitely would have worked & Joel definitely robbed humanity of a vaccine. I can buy into thinking that the fireflies were acting out of some kind of blind desperation that what they’d do to Ellie could work, following 20 years of bleakness, rather than knowing for sure.

 

I’d say what was horrible of Joel in this scenario is that a lot of the killing was arguably unnecessary. Although in that moment I suppose he saw everyone in his way as an enemy and to take no chances. Right down to Marlene. It was very brutal.

I don’t think it was to do with her lack of consent, it was to do with Joel’s need to not lose another daughter. He was given the option of letting Ellie decide but he didn’t take that option and then lied to her.

 

That doesn’t mean it wasn’t understandable to an extent but the past couple of episodes have really ramped up that he isn’t really a “nice” person, he’s very willing to kill anyone who has stood in his way. The section of him just shooting everyone in the hospital was way more disturbing for me than any of the prior death scenes. They made a point of him massacring them regardless of whether the person was even standing in his way.

I don't understand why, on the same DAY as getting her, they take their ONE AND ONLY IMMUNE person straight to surgery... Surely there should have been steps in-between? They could have done far more studies with her ALIVE, before jumping to a lobotomy.

For me the episode was successful in highlighting the grey areas of the whole situation, so my interpretation wasn’t that Joel was flat out horrible or greedy for what he did. Ultimately he saved Ellie from a death that she hadn’t given consent to and I’d say that’s a familial level of love and protection.

 

It would likely have been a futile exercise anyway. I watched some theories and it was pointed out that vaccines are for viruses, not fungus… so in all likelihood it wouldn’t have worked. I don’t think we should fully trust that the fireflies knew what they were doing and that it definitely would have worked & Joel definitely robbed humanity of a vaccine. I can buy into thinking that the fireflies were acting out of some kind of blind desperation that what they’d do to Ellie could work, following 20 years of bleakness, rather than knowing for sure.

 

I’d say what was horrible of Joel in this scenario is that a lot of the killing was arguably unnecessary. Although in that moment I suppose he saw everyone in his way as an enemy and to take no chances. Right down to Marlene. It was very brutal.

 

V brutal!!

 

However, the vaccine was about replicating the chemical signature of Ellie's fungus. When bittrn, etc, the chemicsl signature would tell the cordyceps that the person was alreasy infected. It was about getting that chemical signal into other people's bodies, rsther than an outright vaccine like vs a virus.

I don't understand why, on the same DAY as getting her, they take their ONE AND ONLY IMMUNE person straight to surgery... Surely there should have been steps in-between? They could have done far more studies with her ALIVE, before jumping to a lobotomy.

To be fair this is a very good point!

That was my reaction. I mean, please, barely had any tests on her and they were already killing the golden goose on a theory, no trying blood transfusions, no trying to duplicate how she got to immune, no nothing. Immoral morons.

 

And Joel lying is obv going to prove a traumatic future load of drama that isnt needed. As if End Of The World apocalypse isnt enough of a dramatic plot device.

 

Me, I still have problems with the "everyone is an arsehole" and everyone they meet dies or is killed by them. The actors change, the plot stays the same, just interrupted by back-story.

 

The giraffes surely would have eaten themselves into starvation years ago? It's not as if they roaming the majestic plains of Africa, and if they were they'd be attacked by the fungus presumably.

 

Oh, and while I'm moaning, am I the only shouting at the TV "pay bloody attention to what's going around you instead of having a pleasant chat in a deserted city when every other city has been a bleeding death trap". Just saying, very annoying! Makes them look stupid.

 

 

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Tbf, thw funfus doesn't affect other mammals!

For me the episode was successful in highlighting the grey areas of the whole situation, so my interpretation wasn’t that Joel was flat out horrible or greedy for what he did. Ultimately he saved Ellie from a death that she hadn’t given consent to and I’d say that’s a familial level of love and protection.

 

It would likely have been a futile exercise anyway. I watched some theories and it was pointed out that vaccines are for viruses, not fungus… so in all likelihood it wouldn’t have worked. I don’t think we should fully trust that the fireflies knew what they were doing and that it definitely would have worked & Joel definitely robbed humanity of a vaccine. I can buy into thinking that the fireflies were acting out of some kind of blind desperation that what they’d do to Ellie could work, following 20 years of bleakness, rather than knowing for sure.

 

I’d say what was horrible of Joel in this scenario is that a lot of the killing was arguably unnecessary. Although in that moment I suppose he saw everyone in his way as an enemy and to take no chances. Right down to Marlene. It was very brutal.

 

In the game, although Joel lied and did a horrible thing, it was deliberately ambiguous. Now based off I know where the story goes, I can see why it was written to paint Joel in a bad light and make the audience feel different things compares to the audience of the game.

 

At the end of the day in the story, whether Joel or The Firelies were doing the right/wrong thing, neither gave Ellie the choice. All those people who died didn’t need to die if there was a cure, even if it didn’t work, at least Joel/Ellie’s choices did matter and all those people who died along the way, their lives mattered too. Anyway, I don’t want to spoil too much as this decision Joel makes and the impact on Ellie is a huge part of any future series with whether she believes him or not.

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Tbf, thw funfus doesn't affect other mammals!

 

That's very convenient! :lol: So, infected humans food for animals with bigger teeth and muscles and claws, and eventually a fungus that wipes itself out once people are gone (or safe from it for a long period, thinking islands) or else it goes back to just being a normal fungus in the soil and breeding via spores in the sir. Sounds like a genetically engineered attempt to save the planet :o I know nothing about the game, so just guessing. So it's not a spoiler!

I think the brutality of the scene in the hospital when Joel was killing everyone stems from the fact he lost his daughter for not being decisive enough so he wasn’t going to let that happen again.

 

Pedro Pascal is excellent as Joel isn’t he!

That's very convenient! :lol: So, infected humans food for animals with bigger teeth and muscles and claws, and eventually a fungus that wipes itself out once people are gone (or safe from it for a long period, thinking islands) or else it goes back to just being a normal fungus in the soil and breeding via spores in the sir. Sounds like a genetically engineered attempt to save the planet :o I know nothing about the game, so just guessing. So it's not a spoiler!

 

I think, given that it's suggested that Ellie is immune from a brnevolent fungal strain - in game - that the fungus is adapting to live with people, rather than destroy them. But obviously, it will tqke generations.

 

I fell behind a bit with commenting on these oops, but all finished now. The finale didn't have a lot of surprises given I knew the story, but it's always been so brilliantly done. It's heartbreaking seeing Joel become so attached to the point that it blinds his actions. Both actors have been utterly superb and have portrayed their opposite arcs really well, with Joel becoming more affectionate and Ellie becoming more stoic. Much love to the giraffes ofc., it was that scene that drew me to the games in the first place <3 (still not quite sure it makes sense logically that many would still be alive outside their natural habitat, but it's pretty so who cares x).

 

David from episode 8 was absolutely chilling, I think that's the scariest villain they've had in the series, I must confess the only episode I wasn't quite as keen on was Ellie and Riley's flashback, it gave some context and was very affectionate for them both, I feel it just could've worked better as a half hour flashback rather than a full episode as it was essentially dragging out what was always going to happen and it was the few fleeting moments that made it great.

 

I'm not that familiar with Part II yet, I just know it split the fanbase a lot, so I will aim to catch up before it airs. The little bits I do know I'm sure will be quite the divisive moment, Rian Johnson has got nothing on this x

So in a coup Jeffrey Wright is taking his role from the game to play Issac in season 2.

 

Looks like they’ve cast The Salt Lake Crew but haven’t cast Lev or Yara yet, so definitely appears as if Part II is being split up in to different seasons. Still no idea how they’re going to do Season 2, but I wonder if we’re going to see Abby and her crew fleshed out way more in the show.