May 9, 20241 yr That said I still think we’ve taken a step forward in the last 3 years. You have to remember that you have nearly 40 countries in the competition, almost all of which take it seriously. That means if we take it seriously too we should win roughly once every 40 years. If we don’t take it seriously we’ll win never. Only if you make it a national institution like Sweden can you win every 5-10 years and that isn’t going to be us. I’m hopeful that we’re moving from the never to the 1 in 40 category - there’ll still be plenty of diff years with that and that’s OK.
May 9, 20241 yr Based on the YouTube views of the performances 24 hours of the semi-final, here is where Olly placed: 1. Croatia (1.8M) 2. Ireland (1.8M) 3. Ukraine (1.5M) 4. Finland (891k) 5. Serbia (591k) 6. Cyprus (486k) 7. Lithuania (422k) 8. United Kingdom (381k) 9. Slovenia (352k) 10. Portugal (260k) 11. Luxembourg (251k) 12. Sweden (204k) 13. Germany (163k) I know YouTube views won't neccessarily turn into votes, but could be an indicator where the interest is at this point. I am going to try and do the same with Semi-Final 2, exactly 24 hours after it finishes, to see where they place in this list... But it could suggest that Olly is looking like the top of the second half of the board if this is a good predictor. Edited May 9, 20241 yr by Davidson
May 9, 20241 yr My physical copies have just shipped - would expect ‘Dizzy’ to be high up on the first look chart on Sunday.
May 10, 20241 yr Oh dear. I'm late to the party, and I want to bring positivity but UK 2024's effort with Olly Alexander is just dreadful. 27 years now without a win - something isn't working. Staging - 1/10 - it would look great in a pop video, but on the vast Eurovision stage, it feels odd, lost and very self indulgent. Vocals - 2/10 - Based on Tuesday, Olly can't sing live - and was possibly the weakest vocalist on both nights. Blame the tech but a true artist would overcome this. Song - 3/10 - formulaic rubbish - it's just not good enough - not even close. Performance 3/10 - generic and forgettable - look at some of the favourites, UK just gets lost. Prediction - bottom 5 Somebody just said: ' That said I still think we’ve taken a step forward in the last 3 years'. I totally disagree. Sam Ryder was a beautiful fluke. Last year was an abomination, and this years effort is almost as formulaic and beige. We got the same results (hit and miss) when the public decided. Ultimately, its the public who decide and so it shouldn't be left to a few execs to keep choosing the wrong acts. Having acts who are no longer having big hits / number ones perform for the UK isn't working. Olly Alexander was totally the wrong choice. Maybe we should just put Sam Ryder up every year!
May 10, 20241 yr I still dont get how Space Man was the hit it was. It’s…. Fine. Lmao. I definitely prefer Olly & preferred Mae too.
May 10, 20241 yr Having acts who are no longer having big hits / number ones perform for the UK isn't working. Olly Alexander was totally the wrong choice. His last album in 2022 reached #1 and went silver, and yielded 2 Top 40 silver selling singles. He might not be at his commercial peak but he’s still capable of hits.
May 10, 20241 yr Author I still dont get how Space Man was the hit it was. It’s…. Fine. Lmao. I definitely prefer Olly & preferred Mae too. This though I preferred Space Man over Dizzy x
May 10, 20241 yr His last album in 2022 reached #1 and went silver, and yielded 2 Top 40 silver selling singles. He might not be at his commercial peak but he’s still capable of hits. Yeah, exactly. He's a fairly current name in that respect, it's not like he's coming from the scrapheap and completely washed up or something.
May 10, 20241 yr Olly seems like a good choice on paper, but every year there are 3-4 local Ollys with better songs and vocals, so it's completely lost In the shuffle. He would've needed like the best Y&Y single to have a chance.
May 10, 20241 yr Oh dear. I'm late to the party, and I want to bring positivity but UK 2024's effort with Olly Alexander is just dreadful. 27 years now without a win - something isn't working. Staging - 1/10 - it would look great in a pop video, but on the vast Eurovision stage, it feels odd, lost and very self indulgent. Vocals - 2/10 - Based on Tuesday, Olly can't sing live - and was possibly the weakest vocalist on both nights. Blame the tech but a true artist would overcome this. Song - 3/10 - formulaic rubbish - it's just not good enough - not even close. Performance 3/10 - generic and forgettable - look at some of the favourites, UK just gets lost. Prediction - bottom 5 Somebody just said: ' That said I still think we’ve taken a step forward in the last 3 years'. I totally disagree. Sam Ryder was a beautiful fluke. Last year was an abomination, and this years effort is almost as formulaic and beige. We got the same results (hit and miss) when the public decided. Ultimately, its the public who decide and so it shouldn't be left to a few execs to keep choosing the wrong acts. Having acts who are no longer having big hits / number ones perform for the UK isn't working. Olly Alexander was totally the wrong choice. Maybe we should just put Sam Ryder up every year! 100% agreed with this!!! BUT!! I'd change the scores a tad: Staging 5/10 on tv. Remember Loreen's looked awful on stage too, but great on tv Vocals - 2/10 Song - 1/10 Performance -3/10
May 10, 20241 yr I still dont get how Space Man was the hit it was. It’s…. Fine. Lmao. I definitely prefer Olly & preferred Mae too. Müller Lite On Talent was HORRENDOUS. Worst song in those 27 years and vocals were amongst the worst, if not the worst, in those 37 years.
May 10, 20241 yr Olly seems like a good choice on paper, but every year there are 3-4 local Ollys with better songs and vocals, so it's completely lost In the shuffle. He would've needed like the best Y&Y single to have a chance. I think on paper and on stage it works - we haven’t got a winner but we’ve got massive progression. The expectation is always high for the UK, but after years of sending artists that couldn’t even get a record deal or Top 100 with their entry (ElectroVelvet, Josh Dubovie, Michael Rice., etc) then sending 3 successive current artists that have been hits on their home turf is a massive step for us considering the barren years, if we keep building on this renewed input then the success will come.
May 10, 20241 yr Based on the YouTube views of the performances 24 hours of the semi-final, here is where Olly placed: 1. Croatia (1.8M) 2. Ireland (1.8M) 3. Ukraine (1.5M) 4. Finland (891k) 5. Serbia (591k) 6. Cyprus (486k) 7. Lithuania (422k) 8. United Kingdom (381k) 9. Slovenia (352k) 10. Portugal (260k) 11. Luxembourg (251k) 12. Sweden (204k) 13. Germany (163k) I know YouTube views won't neccessarily turn into votes, but could be an indicator where the interest is at this point. I am going to try and do the same with Semi-Final 2, exactly 24 hours after it finishes, to see where they place in this list... But it could suggest that Olly is looking like the top of the second half of the board if this is a good predictor. An updated list including the semi final 2 bunch, taken at exactly the same time after performances. 1. Croatia (1.8M) 2. Ireland (1.8M) 3. The Netherlands (1.7M) 4. Greece (1.5M) 5. Ukraine (1.5M) 6. Israel (1.1M) 7. Italy (922k) 8. Switzerland (895k) 9. Finland (891k) 10. France (775k) 11. Spain (692k) 12. Serbia (591k) 13. Armenia (574k) 14. Cyprus (486k) 15. Lithuania (422k) 16. United Kingdom (381k) 17. Austria (359k) 18. Slovenia (352k) 19. Estonia (302k) 20. Latvia (289k) 21. Georgia (263k) 22. Portugal (260k) 23. Luxembourg (251k) 24. Sweden (204k) 25. Norway (187k) 26. Germany (163k) Looking like UK will defo be around the 15-18 mark like a lot predict.
May 11, 20241 yr Where next for the UK? We had a well known artist and spent £££ on staging - let’s hope the BBC don’t lose momentum and revert to ElectroVelvet, Michael Rice, SuRie etc., type entries.
May 11, 20241 yr BBC ought to take notes from Ireland and send a more out there entry rather than radio / playlist filler or at least someone who is a very reliable live vocalist
May 11, 20241 yr Yeah, the thing is if you finish 11th in each country’s televote,you still get 0 points. I’m not saying Olly came 11th everywhere but I’d imagine he was consistently 15-16th rather than consistently 24th-26th.
May 11, 20241 yr I think the BBC now have shown they can do good staging because we've had a couple now. They have shown we can appeal to juries, because we managed it in 2022. And in 2022, we also got a big public vote, it's not a long time ago. What I think the BBC need to try and get away from is the radio pop. Sam elevated a radio pop song really well but most artists don't have the vocal chops to do that. Most of the top end of the scoreboard are the more daring and different sounds and genres, I think we could do worse than looking outside the box in terms of the style of music we send next year. Although I wonder if part of the problem is that it has to be palatable to Radio 1 and 2 listeners alike. I'm glad Olly at least got an ok jury score and that we didn't finish in the bottom five.
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