500k streams being referred to as "only". :lol:

That post was sarcasm I'm pretty sure!

 

Context and perspective are important for the Beyoncé numbers, she's clearly doing impressively well and is in no danger of tumbling dramatically down the chart here. She is down 100k on this time last week, though, which is a pretty significant decline. Compared to the songs around her, Stick Season is down 40k, Beautiful Things is up 7k, Lose Control is up 12k, End of Beginning is up 66k, etc so a 100k drop is pretty big. Doesn't take away from the fact she's still killing it, but she's gone from a comfortable #1 in the official chart, to it being a little more up in the air, in just a 7 day period when the chart is typically quite slow-moving for the big hits.

if only We Can’t Be Friends had been the lead single instead of that awful awful thing!!!

"The collapse" refers to sudden decline globally - it was down 930k on Friday compared to previous week.

 

There is no collapse and this narrative is ludicrous.

There is no collapse and this narrative is ludicrous.

She's down 100k week-on-week in the UK.

That post was sarcasm I'm pretty sure!

 

Context and perspective are important for the Beyoncé numbers, she's clearly doing impressively well and is in no danger of tumbling dramatically down the chart here. She is down 100k on this time last week, though, which is a pretty significant decline. Compared to the songs around her, Stick Season is down 40k, Beautiful Things is up 7k, Lose Control is up 12k, End of Beginning is up 66k, etc so a 100k drop is pretty big. Doesn't take away from the fact she's still killing it, but she's gone from a comfortable #1 in the official chart, to it being a little more up in the air, in just a 7 day period when the chart is typically quite slow-moving for the big hits.

 

You’re forgetting that her song was taken off tiktok for a while which blunted its momentum. But I wish you’d stop defending those calling it a collapse as you’re usually pretty reasonable. It’s a 3 week #1 for goodness sake. It could fall 300,000 streams and I’d still be hesitant to call it a collapse since it’s already proven itself to be a solid hit. It’s still #1 & #14 on iTunes, #1 on Apple Music, #1 on Amazon, and #3 on Spotify a month after release. It’s just bloody ludicrous to refer to this as a collapse, especially when the 100,000 drop is accounted for by the fact that the song was taken off tiktok in the midst of it being viral.

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You’re forgetting that her song was taken off tiktok for a while which blunted its momentum. But I wish you’d stop defending those calling it a collapse as you’re usually pretty reasonable. It’s a 3 week #1 for goodness sake. It could fall 300,000 streams and I’d still be hesitant to call it a collapse since it’s already proven itself to be a solid hit. It’s still #1 & #14 on iTunes, #1 on Apple Music, #1 on Amazon, and #3 on Spotify a month after release. It’s just bloody ludicrous to refer to this as a collapse, especially when the 100,000 drop is accounted for by the fact that the song was taken off tiktok in the midst of it being viral.

Let's not make this about me please - I'm one of just a few who are looking at both sides, as I think everyone is correct but not marrying up the connections / context, instead taking offence at what the other side of the debate is saying!

 

The fact of the matter is that TEXAS HOLD 'EM has had a steep decline (as in, notably steeper than any surrounding song) in a short period of time for whatever reason (I'm aware of the TikTok removal), but as my post literally says, it doesn't take away the fact that she's doing exceptionally well regardless. You can comment on a song's decline while still acknowledging how well it's doing I think, and that's what's missing here. Equally, celebrating Beyoncé's success doesn't mean a notable drop in daily streams isn't worth pointing out.

 

It's simple enough when you look at the sales figures: the weekly gaps between Beyoncé and Benson have been 15k, 27k (at #3) and 13k - and all of a sudden there's now discussion about him overtaking her (whether he will or not remains to be seen - I think possibly not quite yet). In that time, Benson's weekly sales have increased by 5k, so he's not exactly skyrocketing. So yes, Beyoncé is dropping, but she's still in the #1 conversation so it's nothing bad!

I see Gaga as more of an actress now than I do a superstar but she definitely has it in her to produce good numbers if she wishes. Her holding events for big pharma at her sprawling mansion isn’t doing her many favours with her loyal fanbase (of which I include myself a part of).

 

I see her as an actress too!! Totally the new Cher. Rhey even have the same career trajectories.

For this neutral casual observer it definitely seems like a much sharper decline in numbers from a peak than massive hits usually get, just because some of the narrative is OTT doesn't stop it from being noticeable.

That’s a bit disingenuous, I have to say. I stated there is no collapse and the narrative is ridiculous, and it was you who was quick to point out the 100,000 loss in streams, implying that there has in fact been a collapse. Either stand by your words or don’t, but I find it disingenuous to say “I’m looking at both sides” when you are really the most adamant defender of the collapse narrative from what I’ve seen. You have been the one consistently defending the narrative whilst also saying it’s not a collapse at the same time.

 

I have no problem with you pointing out the decline in streams, that’s what this thread is for. I have a problem with you consistently pointing that out in the context in which you do, which is to give credence to the narrative that there is some kind of collapse.

 

Yeah, the 100,000 decline is interesting to note and in any other circumstance we’d have a productive discussion and debate as to why that is, but it’s impossible to do so when it’s presented in the context of a collapse, which most reasonable people find absurd.

That’s a bit disingenuous, I have to say. I stated there is no collapse and the narrative is ridiculous, and it was you who was quick to point out the 100,000 loss in streams, implying that there has in fact been a collapse. Either stand by your words or don’t, but I find it disingenuous to say “I’m looking at both sides” when you are really the most adamant defender of the collapse narrative from what I’ve seen. You have been the one consistently defending the narrative whilst also saying it’s not a collapse at the same time.

 

I have no problem with you pointing out the decline in streams, that’s what this thread is for. I have a problem with you consistently pointing that out in the context in which you do, which is to give credence to the narrative that there is some kind of collapse.

 

Yeah, the 100,000 decline is interesting to note and in any other circumstance we’d have a productive discussion and debate as to why that is, but it’s impossible to do so when it’s presented in the context of a collapse, which most reasonable people find absurd.

Let's remind ourselves of my post yesterday on the subject:

 

TEXAS HOLD 'EM is down by more than 100k on this time last week, so I get where the "collapse" comment is coming from - a dramatic word when it's still riding high and doing very well though.

 

Basically, both Beyoncé and Ariana are doing very well x

I have at no other point used the word "collapse" for TEXAS HOLD 'EM so I'm not sure how I'm the "most adamant defender of the collapse narrative". You're ignoring my reasoning behind my posts - you can't deny that it has declined, and I've said "collapse" is a dramatic/OTT word, but 100k week-on-week isn't insignificant either. TikTok may explain the drop and that's all well and good, and I've never been worried about the decline continuing on and on until Beyoncé falls 1-6-48-79-x or something ridiculous like that. She's riding high and will continue to, it's just a curiously big dip at this stage.

 

I think you're fixating too much on the word choice of "collapse" - which absolutely did not come from me - and using it to divert from the discussion of Beyoncé's decline this past week. I also think you've not really understood my posts on the matter because I've tried to be as clear as possible and I'm not too sure what's not coming across, it's had a drop but is still in the conversation for #1.

 

Quite how this discussion has become my problem I'm really not sure, so please re-read my posts as well as those from others on the topic to realise exactly where I stand on the matter. For the record, I quite like the song, I'm no stan but I certainly don't dislike it either, so I'm not really biased in any direction.

I personally think Stick Season has distorted people’s perception of what a hit is. Not every song and not every hit is going to be as big as Stick Season. Not every hit is going to be consistently at 600,000+ streams. Not every hit is going to be #1 for 7-8 weeks. That doesn’t make it any less of a hit. The fact Beyoncé even temporarily overtook Stick Season is mightily impressive and if it was Ariana who did that, I’m sure Joseph would be the first to point out how ludicrous it is to call this a collapse because it lost 100,000 streams and settled around 500,000 after being removed from tiktok at the height of it being viral.

 

I agree with almost everything you say, Joseph. You arguably have the most reasonable takes out of anyone, but on this occasion I feel you’ve let yourself down by consistently feeding and giving credence to the collapse narrative.

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Come on we can’t be friends :wub:

Great hold for Ariana! I really enjoy the album so happy to see it hold up so well in its 2nd day :wub:

 

"we can't be friends (wait for your love)" has been doing big numbers on youtube - should get the first day UK numbers later today/tomorrow on Kworb. It's also #38 on Amazon and climbing at a decent pace which is a good sign.

 

Muni Long - "Made For Me"

 

Amazon Prime Chart - #74 (new peak, climbing notably there!)

Apple Music - #49 (#16 peak)

Spotify - #104 (#66 peak)

 

Hoping "Made For Me" will recover a bit on spotify/apple music. It tends to fall on the weekend due to new releases/the weekend effect. Ariana's album most notably pushing it down this week. Sadly HHUK keeps moving it down slowly week by week. It's now #45 and I don't ever see it rising unfortunately :( Hopefully it hangs around the charts for a while and goes silver at least!

 

 

I personally think Stick Season has distorted people’s perception of what a hit is. Not every song and not every hit is going to be as big as Stick Season. Not every hit is going to be consistently at 600,000+ streams. Not every hit is going to be #1 for 7-8 weeks. That doesn’t make it any less of a hit.

I don't think anybody is trying to compare TEXAS HOLD 'EM to Stick Season though?

 

The fact Beyoncé even temporarily overtook Stick Season is mightily impressive and if it was Ariana who did that, I’m sure Joseph would be the first to point out how ludicrous it is to call this a collapse because it lost 100,000 streams and settled around 500,000 after being removed from tiktok at the height of it being viral.

What is this random speculation? Why am I suddenly the one you're taking an issue with when I'm actually agreeing with your general point of Beyoncé doing well? 100,000 streams isn't nothing, and TikTok explains it obviously, but what is the issue with it being mentioned? Why am I suddenly the person you're taking an issue with because I've put *all* of the information into context?

 

I agree with almost everything you say, Joseph. You arguably have the most reasonable takes out of anyone, but on this occasion I feel you’ve let yourself down by consistently feeding and giving credence to the collapse narrative.

This patronising backhanded compliment is not really it.

 

Damn I did not sign up for this when I first commented so baffled

We Can’t Be Friends I think looking like it’ll be rising hit, it’s decent sounding and for me harks back to her earlier stuff (I wasn’t a fan of Thabk You or Positions eras) and is one of the last songs on the album too.

 

As others have said although Yes And was a hit it was an anticipated comeback so peaked high due to that but did fall from 700k to under 300k streams daily quite quickly.

Ariana has achieved an impressive performance with her album's sustained momentum! As an ardent admirer of the record, I derive immense gratification from witnessing its remarkable resilience on the second day of its release.

Spotify Chart Update (09/03)

 

01 01 Noah Kahan – Stick Season 605,429

02 02 Benson Boone – Beautiful Things 515,122

03 03 Beyoncé – TEXAS HOLD 'EM 502,135

04 04 Djo – End of Beginning 480,877

05 05 Teddy Swims – Lose Control 436,173

06 06 ¥$, Kanye West, Ty Dolla $ign, Rich The Kid, Playboi Carti – CARNIVAL 380,611

07 08 Ariana Grande – we can't be friends (wait for your love) 373,887 [*PEAK*]

08 09 Tate McRae – greedy 353,347

09 07 Ariana Grande – yes, and? 340,555

10 16 cassö, RAYE, D-Block Europe – Prada 289,429

 

11 13 Sophie Ellis-Bextor – Murder On The Dancefloor 289,192

12 18 Jack Harlow – Lovin On Me 274,665

13 24 Taylor Swift – Cruel Summer 274,540

14 20 YG Marley – Praise Jah In The Moonlight 266,955

15 21 Natasha Bedingfield – Unwritten 254,713

16 10 Ariana Grande – bye 243,755

17 11 Ariana Grande – the boy is mine 239,723

18 22 Kenya Grace – Strangers 236,868

19 25 Bryson Tiller – Whatever She Wants 229,338

20 12 Ariana Grande – eternal sunshine 223,700

 

21 27 Dua Lipa – Houdini 220,222

22 15 Ariana Grande – supernatural 219,856

23 30 Tyla – Water 212,974

24 14 Ariana Grande – don't wanna break up again 209,315

25 26 Dua Lipa – Training Season 207,731

26 31 Michael Marcagi – Scared To Start 201,669

27 23 Ella Henderson, Rudimental – Alibi (feat. Rudimental) 201,405

28 19 Ariana Grande – true story 195,980

29 32 21 Savage – redrum 190,744

30 28 Ariana Grande – i wish i hated you 187,445

 

31 36 Pozer – iamspamspamamiStove 178,679

32 34 Flo Milli – Never Lose Me 178,285

33 42 Olivia Rodrigo – vampire 174,844

34 17 Ariana Grande – intro (end of the world) 173,922

35 40 The Killers – Mr. Brightside 173,454

36 35 SZA – Saturn 172,458

37 41 Mitski – My Love Mine All Mine 170,117

38 45 The Weeknd, Playboi Carti, Madonna – Popular (with Playboi Carti & Madonna) 163,967

39 33 Ariana Grande – imperfect for you 163,075

40 39 Good Neighbours – Home 161,453

 

44 47 Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners – Evergreen 153,578

45 48 Travis Scott, Playboi Carti – FE!N (feat. Playboi Carti) 152,897

51 57 The Weeknd, JENNIE, Lily-Rose Depp – One Of The Girls (with JENNIE, Lily Rose Depp) 143,000

59 53 Fred again.., Baby Keem – leavemealone 134,913

64 54 The Last Dinner Party – Nothing Matters 131,459

65 74 Paul Russell – Lil Boo Thang 129,761

67 52 ¥$, Kanye West, Ty Dolla $ign – BURN 128,036

69 69 Dasha – Austin 124,894

70 73 Rich Amiri – ONE CALL 123,804

89 79 RAYE – Worth It. 110,081

98 37 4batz, Drake – act ii: date @ 8 (feat. Drake) - remix 106,434 {190,608; #30 combined}

104 95 Muni Long – Made For Me 103,783

 

129 192 NewEra – Birds In The Sky 95,191

143 150 Shy Smith – Soaked 89,376

146 135 Madison Beer – Make You Mine 88,395

180 182 Giggs, Dave – Incredible Sauce (feat. Dave) 81,950

185 119 Charli XCX – Von dutch 81,300

193 191 Artemas – if u think i'm pretty 80,753

195 164 Yeat – Breathe 80,614

Ariana is holding up really well, I’m really pleased for her. She’s immensely talented and doesn’t get the credit she deserves in my opinion :heart:

hoping the boy is mine can overtake bye to become ariana's 3rd hit either this week or next. easily my favourite from the album

Ariana is holding up really well, I’m really pleased for her. She’s immensely talented and doesn’t get the credit she deserves in my opinion :heart:

she's one of the biggest artists in the world lol i'm a big fan but she's hardly underrated