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We already know the preorders are much bigger than midnights so wont decline

 

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If Taylor doesn’t perform better than Midnights, the decline narrative will begin. She’s bound to decline at some point as is the case with every big artist in history and it will seemingly come out of nowhere.

She peaked with 1989, and then “flopped” and then re peaked kind of with folklore and of course the pick of all peaks - Midnights and the tour. So maybe she will “flop” now but never say never again with her :)

I think artistically, Midnights can be seen as an underperformance. I don't revisit it at all and it's among her bottom 3 as far as her album ranking goes. It's definitely not her "magnum opus" and the expectations are not super high for the new one. But it might ve just me, so..

To those of you expecting Taylor to do over 1m... you will need to readjust your expectations. I can't see her doing 1m. She's doing (at max) 750k imo. Then level out at around 500k for the rest of the week with whichever song it is that randomly decides to take off.

 

If Hozier is still pulling this kind of number in over a week I think she will probably go #2, #8 and #9 officially or something. I'm not sure she can do "all in the top 5" but we shall see.

To those of you expecting Taylor to do over 1m... you will need to readjust your expectations. I can't see her doing 1m. She's doing (at max) 750k imo. Then level out at around 500k for the rest of the week with whichever song it is that randomly decides to take off.

 

If Hozier is still pulling this kind of number in over a week I think she will probably go #2, #8 and #9 officially or something. I'm not sure she can do "all in the top 5" but we shall see.

 

Spotify is pretty huge right now to where we had four songs doing over 600k not long ago with the hype that comes with Taylor and inevitable discourse combined with casual curiosity and hardcore fans replay I think 1 mill is very realistic. I expect her to occupy 70% of the top 20 and have 4-5 above 800k

I think Taylor is much popular than she was 2 years ago

The Eras tour + Midnights + Cruel Summer has put her in a much better and higher place

the anticipation for this new album is huge

I'm sure the focus track will do more than 1 million, far far more i'd say, it's a sorta Adele-esque comeback

(when Adele was huge, not now obv), so 1.5 /2 million wouldn't surprise me

 

but will see soon I guess :)

 

It's probably the furthest thing from an Adele-esque comeback given Adele didn't release new music for six years before Easy On Me and Taylor has had something out every five seconds recently. :lol:

It's probably the furthest thing from an Adele-esque comeback given Adele didn't release new music for six years before Easy On Me and Taylor has had something out every five seconds recently. :lol:

 

Exactly. the public have probably reached saturation point at this stage. 850k-950k for her is probably the best she can hope for.

I feel like she may have reached or be nearing saturation point by now though, if the backlash to the Grammys is anything to go by. Obviously she’ll still have huge numbers but it wouldn’t surprise me if they don’t quite reach Midnights levels.

 

What backlash?

What backlash?

 

Her announcing her album during her speech seemed a little contrived, and her totally ignoring Celine Dion didn’t do herself any favours! Not sure how you missed it, it was everywhere

 

https://amp.smh.com.au/culture/celebrity/th...208-p5f3dn.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertai...t-b2492285.html

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2024/02/11...st-taylor-swift

https://deadline.com/2024/02/grammy-awards-...1235814580/amp/

 

Lmao I don't think anyone has actually turned on her because she ignored Celine Dion one time. :lol:

 

If anything it's overexposure she'll suffer from. Sure her stans will bring about a strong first day album bomb but beyond that there might not be as many people gagging for new music from her given how everywhere she's been lately.

To those of you expecting Taylor to do over 1m... you will need to readjust your expectations. I can't see her doing 1m. She's doing (at max) 750k imo. Then level out at around 500k for the rest of the week with whichever song it is that randomly decides to take off.

 

If Hozier is still pulling this kind of number in over a week I think she will probably go #2, #8 and #9 officially or something. I'm not sure she can do "all in the top 5" but we shall see.

Thank you, for all the proofs you gave me so I need to believe she’ll decline in over 30% because you said so. Thank you again!

Lmao I don't think anyone has actually turned on her because she ignored Celine Dion one time. :lol:

 

If anything it's overexposure she'll suffer from. Sure her stans will bring about a strong first day album bomb but beyond that there might not be as many people gagging for new music from her given how everywhere she's been lately.

This, and I don’t agree on the second part but that can happen!

But cuz she didn’t say hi to Celine Dion and did it a minute after she’ll flop and be hated? Yeah, right. 😂

This, and I don’t agree on the second part but that can happen!

But cuz she didn’t say hi to Celine Dion and did it a minute after she’ll flop and be hated? Yeah, right. 😂

 

Well I think it shows she’s not untouchable and that people are getting a bit sick of her act personally

Well I think it shows she’s not untouchable and that people are getting a bit sick of her act personally

Like I said, she was already “hated” before Reputation. It will happen in any career, no drama.

Like I said, she was already “hated” before Reputation. It will happen in any career, no drama.

 

That “hate” was as contrived as anything she does and was purely for the aesthetic of the era :lol:

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Spotify Chart Update (08/04)

 

:right: 01 01 Hozier – Too Sweet 715,775

:up: 02 03 Artemas – i like the way you kiss me 495,302 [*PEAK*]

:down: 03 02 Noah Kahan – Stick Season 494,484

:right: 04 04 Benson Boone – Beautiful Things 453,036

:right: 05 05 Djo – End of Beginning 448,674

:right: 06 06 Teddy Swims – Lose Control 385,974

:right: 07 07 Beyoncé – TEXAS HOLD 'EM 374,016

:right: 08 08 Ariana Grande – we can't be friends (wait for your love) 351,046

:up: 09 10 Dasha – Austin 333,193 [*PEAK*]

:down: 10 09 Michael Marcagi – Scared To Start 324,944

 

:right: 11 11 Tate McRae – greedy 282,755

:up: 12 13 Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar – Like That 268,239

:down: 13 12 cassö, RAYE, D-Block Europe – Prada 267,992

:up: 14 17 Mark Ambor – Belong Together 225,414 [*PEAK*]

:right: 15 15 ¥$, Kanye West, Ty Dolla $ign, Rich The Kid, Playboi Carti – CARNIVAL 223,270

:down: 16 14 Taylor Swift – Cruel Summer 210,924

:down: 17 16 Natasha Bedingfield – Unwritten 209,900

:right: 18 18 Ella Henderson, Rudimental – Alibi (feat. Rudimental) 187,832

:right: 19 19 Good Neighbours – Home 186,249

:up: 20 21 Dua Lipa – Training Season 179,989

 

:down: 21 20 Jack Harlow – Lovin On Me 177,695

:up: 22 24 Olivia Rodrigo – obsessed 174,766

:down: 23 22 Jungle – Back On 74 169,880

:up: 24 27 SZA – Saturn 167,391

:up: 25 26 Dua Lipa – Houdini 167,027

:up: 26 31 Bryson Tiller – Whatever She Wants [bONUS] 164,842

:down: 27 25 Tyla – Water 163,460

:down: 28 23 Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners – Evergreen 160,282

:up: 29 32 YG Marley – Praise Jah In The Moonlight 158,690

:up: 30 33 Benson Boone – Slow It Down 154,295

 

:down: 31 29 The Killers – Mr. Brightside 152,827

:down: 32 30 Sophie Ellis-Bextor – Murder On The Dancefloor 152,537

:up: 33 42 Kygo, Ava Max – Whatever 150,728

:down: 34 28 Beyoncé – JOLENE 150,652

:up: 35 36 Lord Huron – The Night We Met 148,089

:up: 36 37 Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves – I Remember Everything (feat. Kacey Musgraves) 147,938

:down: 37 34 Tom Odell – Another Love 147,215

:down: 38 35 Beyoncé, Miley Cyrus – II MOST WANTED 146,214

:up: 39 40 Artemas – if u think i'm pretty 142,185 [*PEAK*]

:up: 40 43 Ariana Grande – yes, and? 141,798

 

:right: 41 41 Travis Scott, Playboi Carti – FE!N (feat. Playboi Carti) 141,705

:up: 43 47 J. Cole, Bas, Central Cee – H.Y.B. (feat. Bas & Central Cee) 138,574

:up: 45 53 The Blessed Madonna, Clementine Douglas – Happier (feat. Clementine Douglas) 135,323

:down: 49 38 Bill Withers – Ain't No Sunshine 127,909

:right: 50 50 Billie Eilish – What Was I Made For? [From The Motion Picture "Barbie"] 126,742

:up: 54 66 NewEra – Birds In The Sky 122,732

:up: 55 71 Tyla, Gunna, Skillibeng – Jump 121,514 [*PEAK*]

:up: 78 105 Bakar, Summer Walker – Hell N Back (feat. Summer Walker) 104,106 {#20 combined} [*PEAK*]

:up: 82 109 d4vd – Feel It - From The Original Series “Invincible” 102,859 [*PEAK*]

:up: 83 100 Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott, Playboi Carti – Type Shit 102,291

:up: 86 96 J. Cole – 7 Minute Drill 100,994

:up: 95 101 Olivia Rodrigo – so american 95,329

:up: 98 103 Flo Milli – Never Lose Me 94,604

 

:up: 101 157 Rudimental, Skepsis, Charlotte Plank, Riko Dan – Green & Gold (feat. Charlotte Plank & Riko Dan) 93,889

:up: 108 116 Ariana Grande – bye 92,390

:up: 110 112 Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott – Cinderella 92,195

:up: 113 150 Chappell Roan – Good Luck, Babe! 91,091 [*PEAK*]

:down: 124 120 J. Cole – Crocodile Tearz 85,992

:up: 127 128 Paul Russell – Lil Boo Thang 85,452

:up: 128 175 Madison Beer – Make You Mine 84,993

:up: 129 161 Alex Warren – Before You Leave Me 84,743 [*PEAK*]

:re: 130 RE Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike, Tiësto, Dido, W&W, Dimitri Vegas, Like Mike – Thank You (Not So Bad) 84,666

:up: 141 180 Meghan Trainor, T-Pain – Been Like This 82,875

:re: 143 RE G-Eazy, Christoph Andersson – Lady Killers II - Christoph Andersson Remix 82,869

:down: 153 142 Bakar – Hell N Back 80,821

:re: 157 RE Campbell, Alcemist – Would You (go to bed with me?) 80,365

:ne: 159 NE Lay Bankz – Tell Ur Girlfriend 80,285 [*PEAK*]

:up: 160 193 RAYE – Worth It. 80,123

:re: 161 RE goddard., Cat Burns – Wasted Youth 79,962

:ne: 166 NE ILLIT – Magnetic 78,536 [*PEAK*]

:re: 172 RE Muni Long – Made For Me 78,032

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Apple Music Chart Update (09/04)

 

:up: 01 02 Benson Boone - Beautiful Things

:down: 02 01 Beyoncé - TEXAS HOLD 'EM

:up: 03 04 Hozier - Too Sweet

:down: 04 03 Noah Kahan - Stick Season

:right: 05 05 Teddy Swims - Lose Control

:right: 06 06 Ariana Grande - we can't be friends (wait for your love)

:right: 07 07 Artemas - i like the way you kiss me

:up: 08 09 Dasha - Austin

:down: 09 08 Dua Lipa - Training Season

:right: 10 10 The Blessed Madonna - Happier (feat. Clementine Douglas)

 

:right: 11 11 Ella Henderson - Alibi (feat. Rudimental)

:right: 12 12 Future, Metro Boomin & Kendrick Lamar - Like That

:up: 13 14 Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants

:down: 14 13 Michael Marcagi - Scared To Start

:up: 15 16 Djo - End of Beginning

:up: 16 19 Tate McRae - greedy

:up: 17 20 Rudimental & Skepsis - Green & Gold (feat. Charlotte Plank & Riko Dan)

:down: 18 15 Beyoncé & Miley Cyrus - II MOST WANTED

:down: 19 17 Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer

:up: 20 22 cassö, RAYE & D-Block Europe - Prada

 

:right: 21 21 Natasha Bedingfield - Unwritten

:down: 22 18 Beyoncé - JOLENE

:up: 23 24 Ariana Grande - yes, and?

:up: 24 25 Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Murder on the Dancefloor

:down: 25 23 J. Cole, Bas & Central Cee - H.Y.B.

:right: 26 26 NewEra - Birds In The Sky

:up: 27 29 Sonny Fodera & MK - Asking (feat. Clementine Douglas)

:down: 28 27 YG Marley - Praise Jah In the Moonlight

:down: 29 28 Jack Harlow - Lovin On Me

:right: 30 30 Calvin Harris & Rag'n'Bone Man - Lovers In A Past Life

 

:up: 31 32 Nathan Dawe - We Ain't Here For Long

:down: 32 31 Kygo & Ava Max - Whatever

:up: 33 34 Zara Larsson & David Guetta - On My Love

:up: 34 35 The Killers - Mr. Brightside

:down: 35 33 Beyoncé - BODYGUARD

:up: 36 37 Becky Hill & Sonny Fodera - Never Be Alone

:up: 37 38 Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero

:up: 38 45 Becky Hill - Outside Of Love

:up: 39 43 Billy Gillies - DNA (Loving You) [feat. Hannah Boleyn]

:up: 40 41 Kenya Grace - Strangers

 

:down: 41 40 Jungle - Back On 74

:up: 43 48 ¥$, Kanye West & Ty Dolla $ign - CARNIVAL (feat. Rich The Kid & Playboi Carti)

:down: 46 36 J. Cole - 7 Minute Drill

:up: 48 54 Tom Walker - Head Underwater

:up: 56 64 Jax Jones & Zoe Wees - Never Be Lonely

:down: 60 47 J. Cole - Crocodile Tearz

:up: 64 70 Good Neighbours - Home

:up: 67 80 USHER - Kissing Strangers

:up: 71 83 Glass Animals - Creatures in Heaven

:up: 72 75 Benson Boone - Cry

:up: 74 89 Switch Disco, R3HAB & Sam Feldt - SLEEP TONIGHT (THIS IS THE LIFE)

:up: 81 87 Mark Ambor - Belong Together

:up: 92 95 Jazzy - Shooting Star

:up: 95 100 Meghan Trainor & T-Pain - Been Like This

:up: 96 98 Tyla - ART

:up: 98 108 RAYE - Worth It.

 

:up: 102 106 Muni Long - Made For Me

:up: 106 144 David Guetta & OneRepublic - I Don't Wanna Wait

:up: 110 127 Bakar - Hell N Back (feat. Summer Walker)

:up: 111 120 Future & Metro Boomin - Type Shit

:up: 131 140 Charli XCX - Von dutch

:down: 134 124 Tyla, Gunna & Skillibeng - Jump

:up: 145 161 Good Neighbours - Keep It Up

:up: 149 155 Justin Timberlake - Selfish

:up: 151 158 Camila Cabello - I LUV IT (feat. Playboi Carti)

:up: 165 170 Future & Metro Boomin - Cinderella

Her announcing her album during her speech seemed a little contrived, and her totally ignoring Celine Dion didn’t do herself any favours! Not sure how you missed it, it was everywhere

 

https://amp.smh.com.au/culture/celebrity/th...208-p5f3dn.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertai...t-b2492285.html

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2024/02/11...st-taylor-swift

https://deadline.com/2024/02/grammy-awards-...1235814580/amp/

This reach!!! Omg.

 

Thank you, for all the proofs you gave me so I need to believe she’ll decline in over 30% because you said so. Thank you again!
You’re very welcome. Any time bestie 😍😍😍😍😍
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