Noah's peak was 844,562 on 19th January, but it's far too early to compare the two. Stick Season had already been top 10 for 3 months when it peaked and it's still doing over 500k 3 months after peaking. In the streaming era longevity is much more important than how many streams you can get in a day.

 

Over the moon for Hozier being this huge though, would love for it to hit over a million! Must be extremely rare for anything to climb to that level rather than debuting there (Xmas aside). Friday is always the biggest day though so we'll probably have to wait until next week if it does make it.

That's just fine for Dua, I was expecting worse than Training Season so for it to have a similar start is great! Brilliant for Perrie to be off to such a strong start particularly in comparison to Jesy and Leigh-Anne.

 

To be fair it’s pretty on par with Jesy’s debut (#12 with 244k). Much stronger than Leigh-Anne’s (#54 with 130k). We’ll see how she holds up though the rest of the girls singles pretty much freefell, I have a feeling she’ll hold up a bit better

Noah's peak was 844,562 on 19th January, but it's far too early to compare the two. Stick Season had already been top 10 for 3 months when it peaked and it's still doing over 500k 3 months after peaking. In the streaming era longevity is much more important than how many streams you can get in a day.

 

Over the moon for Hozier being this huge though, would love for it to hit over a million! Must be extremely rare for anything to climb to that level rather than debuting there (Xmas aside). Friday is always the biggest day though so we'll probably have to wait until next week if it does make it.

 

The Christmas stuff benefitted Noah with the ACR situation not sure how Hozier can compete long term due to that

oh Hozier on 860K!!

 

Wow huge increases, could be no1 for 3-4 weeks unless Taylor is huge from the off!

Spotify Chart Update (12/04)

 

01 01 Hozier – Too Sweet 859,994

02 02 Artemas – i like the way you kiss me 550,298

03 03 Noah Kahan – Stick Season 527,593

04 04 Benson Boone – Beautiful Things 490,797

05 06 Teddy Swims – Lose Control 440,730

06 05 Djo – End of Beginning 427,019

07 07 Beyoncé – TEXAS HOLD 'EM 401,875

08 09 Dasha – Austin 377,611 [*PEAK*]

09 08 Ariana Grande – we can't be friends (wait for your love) 351,108

10 10 Michael Marcagi – Scared To Start 351,073

 

11 NE Dua Lipa – Illusion 333,929 [*PEAK*]

12 NE Sabrina Carpenter – Espresso 313,778 [*PEAK*]

13 11 Tate McRae – greedy 311,918

14 12 cassö, RAYE, D-Block Europe – Prada 307,181

15 NE Perrie – Forget About Us 249,752 [*PEAK*]

16 13 Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar – Like That 247,776

17 15 Natasha Bedingfield – Unwritten 239,367

18 17 Taylor Swift – Cruel Summer 235,729

19 14 Mark Ambor – Belong Together 234,359

20 18 Ella Henderson, Rudimental – Alibi (feat. Rudimental) 217,541

 

21 16 ¥$, Kanye West, Ty Dolla $ign, Rich The Kid, Playboi Carti – CARNIVAL 215,951

22 20 Dua Lipa – Training Season 203,482

23 21 Jack Harlow – Lovin On Me 201,863

24 25 Bryson Tiller – Whatever She Wants [bONUS] 198,456

25 19 Good Neighbours – Home 196,550

26 26 YG Marley – Praise Jah In The Moonlight 193,102

27 32 The Blessed Madonna, Clementine Douglas – Happier (feat. Clementine Douglas) 185,026 [*PEAK*]

28 27 Tyla – Water 184,619

29 24 Jungle – Back On 74 184,421

30 23 Dua Lipa – Houdini 183,756

 

31 22 SZA – Saturn 182,470

32 NE Future, Metro Boomin – We Still Don't Trust You 182,186 [*PEAK*]

33 31 The Killers – Mr. Brightside 177,376

34 28 Olivia Rodrigo – obsessed 177,299

35 30 Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners – Evergreen 176,176

36 NE D-Block Europe – KiKi (What Would Drizzy Say?) 173,710 [*PEAK*]

37 35 Sophie Ellis-Bextor – Murder On The Dancefloor 171,973

38 34 Kygo, Ava Max – Whatever 166,659

39 33 Benson Boone – Slow It Down 165,190

40 43 Sabrina Carpenter – Feather 161,431

 

43 80 Badger, Natasha Bedingfield – These Words 156,354 [*PEAK*]

45 46 NewEra – Birds In The Sky 152,621

48 40 Beyoncé – JOLENE 147,677

50 85 Rudimental, Skepsis, Charlotte Plank, Riko Dan – Green & Gold (feat. Charlotte Plank & Riko Dan) 146,038 [*PEAK*]

53 58 Tyla, Gunna, Skillibeng – Jump 143,351

54 42 Artemas – if u think i'm pretty 141,761

57 52 Bakar, Summer Walker – Hell N Back (feat. Summer Walker) 139,286 {#20 combined}

58 NE Shaboozey – A Bar Song (Tipsy) 139,185 [*PEAK*]

59 45 Travis Scott, Playboi Carti – FE!N (feat. Playboi Carti) 139,032

66 70 Chappell Roan – Good Luck, Babe! 130,838 [*PEAK*]

70 47 Beyoncé, Miley Cyrus – II MOST WANTED 129,853

71 75 Lay Bankz – Tell Ur Girlfriend 129,738 [*PEAK*]

74 50 Billie Eilish – What Was I Made For? [From The Motion Picture "Barbie"] 127,050

75 101 J. Cole, Bas, Central Cee – H.Y.B. (feat. Bas & Central Cee) 125,846

78 NE Future, Metro Boomin – Drink N Dance 124,789 [*PEAK*]

83 67 Pozer – iamspamspamamiStove 121,984

100 105 d4vd – Feel It - From The Original Series “Invincible” 108,853

 

102 124 Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike, Tiësto, Dido, W&W, Dimitri Vegas, Like Mike – Thank You (Not So Bad) 107,636

104 133 David Guetta, OneRepublic – I Don't Wanna Wait 107,339 [*PEAK*]

106 189 Calvin Harris, Rag'n'Bone Man – Lovers In A Past Life (with Rag'n'Bone Man) 107,252

126 NE Ken Carson – overseas 100,237 [*PEAK*]

131 135 goddard., Cat Burns – Wasted Youth 98,251

155 144 RAYE – Worth It. 91,847

160 153 Benson Boone – Cry 89,402

181 183 Elley Duhé, Whethan – MONEY ON THE DASH - SPED UP 86,438 [*PEAK*]

186 148 Meghan Trainor, T-Pain – Been Like This 86,076

192 132 Madison Beer – Make You Mine 85,413

Spotify Saturday Special: Estimated OCC Rules Top 50 Update

 

01 Hozier – Too Sweet

02 Artemas – i like the way you kiss me

03 Benson Boone – Beautiful Things

04 Teddy Swims – Lose Control

05 Beyoncé – TEXAS HOLD 'EM

06 Dasha – Austin

07 Ariana Grande – we can't be friends (wait for your love)

08 Michael Marcagi – Scared To Start

09 Dua Lipa – Illusion

10 Sabrina Carpenter – Espresso

 

11 Noah Kahan – Stick Season †

12 Perrie – Forget About Us

13 Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar – Like That

14 Natasha Bedingfield – Unwritten

15 Mark Ambor – Belong Together

16 Ella Henderson, Rudimental – Alibi (feat. Rudimental)

17 Djo – End of Beginning †

18 Dua Lipa – Training Season

19 Bryson Tiller – Whatever She Wants [bONUS]

20 Good Neighbours – Home

 

21 The Blessed Madonna, Clementine Douglas – Happier (feat. Clementine Douglas)

22 Jungle – Back On 74

23 SZA – Saturn

24 Future, Metro Boomin – We Still Don't Trust You

25 Olivia Rodrigo – obsessed

26 Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners – Evergreen

27 D-Block Europe – KiKi (What Would Drizzy Say?)

28 Kygo, Ava Max – Whatever

29 Benson Boone – Slow It Down

30 Badger, Natasha Bedingfield – These Words

 

31 Tate McRae – greedy †

32 cassö, RAYE, D-Block Europe – Prada †

33 NewEra – Birds In The Sky

34 Beyoncé – JOLENE

35 Rudimental, Skepsis, Charlotte Plank, Riko Dan – Green & Gold (feat. Charlotte Plank & Riko Dan)

36 Tyla, Gunna, Skillibeng – Jump

37 Artemas – if u think i'm pretty

38 Bakar, Summer Walker – Hell N Back (feat. Summer Walker)

39 Shaboozey – A Bar Song (Tipsy)

40 Travis Scott, Playboi Carti – FE!N (feat. Playboi Carti)

 

41 Chappell Roan – Good Luck, Babe!

42 Beyoncé, Miley Cyrus – II MOST WANTED

43 Lay Bankz – Tell Ur Girlfriend

44 Billie Eilish – What Was I Made For? [From The Motion Picture "Barbie"]

45 J. Cole, Bas, Central Cee – H.Y.B. (feat. Bas & Central Cee)

46 Future, Metro Boomin – Drink N Dance

47 Pozer – iamspamspamamiStove

48 Taylor Swift – Cruel Summer †

49 d4vd – Feel It - From The Original Series “Invincible”

50 ¥$, Kanye West, Ty Dolla $ign, Rich The Kid, Playboi Carti – CARNIVAL †

 

† ACR applied (Djo and Kanye estimated)

Apple Music Chart Update (12-13/04)

 

01 01 Benson Boone - Beautiful Things

02 02 Hozier - Too Sweet

03 03 Beyoncé - TEXAS HOLD 'EM

04 04 Noah Kahan - Stick Season

05 05 Teddy Swims - Lose Control

06 06 Ariana Grande - we can't be friends (wait for your love)

07 08 Dasha - Austin

08 07 Artemas - i like the way you kiss me

09 09 Dua Lipa - Training Season

10 10 The Blessed Madonna - Happier (feat. Clementine Douglas)

 

11 NE Perrie - Forget About Us

12 15 Rudimental & Skepsis - Green & Gold (feat. Charlotte Plank & Riko Dan)

13 13 Ella Henderson - Alibi (feat. Rudimental)

14 11 Future, Metro Boomin & Kendrick Lamar - Like That

15 17 Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer

16 14 Michael Marcagi - Scared To Start

17 18 Tate McRae - greedy

18 24 NewEra - Birds In The Sky

19 12 Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants

20 19 cassö, RAYE & D-Block Europe - Prada

 

21 20 Natasha Bedingfield - Unwritten

22 16 Djo - End of Beginning

23 21 YG Marley - Praise Jah In the Moonlight

24 22 Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Murder on the Dancefloor

25 26 Sonny Fodera & MK - Asking (feat. Clementine Douglas)

26 27 Jack Harlow - Lovin On Me

27 28 Nathan Dawe - We Ain't Here For Long

28 NE Dua Lipa - Illusion

29 29 Kygo & Ava Max - Whatever

30 25 Ariana Grande - yes, and?

 

31 31 The Killers - Mr. Brightside

32 NE Future & Metro Boomin - We Still Don't Trust You

33 34 J. Cole, Bas & Central Cee - H.Y.B.

34 23 Beyoncé & Miley Cyrus - II MOST WANTED

35 33 Zara Larsson & David Guetta - On My Love

36 40 Jungle - Back On 74

37 92 Tyla, Gunna & Skillibeng - Jump

38 32 Calvin Harris & Rag'n'Bone Man - Lovers In A Past Life

39 30 Beyoncé - JOLENE

40 NE Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso

 

42 35 Becky Hill & Sonny Fodera - Never Be Alone

46 NE Future & Metro Boomin - Drink N Dance

51 43 Becky Hill - Outside Of Love

52 48 Tom Walker - Head Underwater

56 71 Good Neighbours - Home

63 61 USHER - Kissing Strangers

64 85 Mark Ambor - Belong Together

66 NE D-Block Europe - KiKi (What Would Drizzy Say?)

85 56 Jax Jones & Zoe Wees - Never Be Lonely

90 102 David Guetta & OneRepublic - I Don't Wanna Wait

93 79 Switch Disco, R3HAB & Sam Feldt - SLEEP TONIGHT (THIS IS THE LIFE)

 

102 96 RAYE - Worth It.

104 94 SZA - Saturn

115 106 Meghan Trainor & T-Pain - Been Like This

128 108 Bakar - Hell N Back (feat. Summer Walker)

134 84 Jazzy - Shooting Star

163 152 Charli XCX - Von dutch

190 87 Benson Boone - Cry

193 86 Glass Animals - Creatures in Heaven

Thrilled for Sabrina to start so well! Feel like this one will end up being everywhere this summer.

Good start for Perrie and will be boosted by the physical formats this week (7”, CD and cassette) - hope it has some legs and is not a 9-26-40-58-75 type of release so that she can build a solo career.

I do think it's perhaps a little fast for Dua to be moving on from Training Season, because it's still doing just fine in the UK. Is it her biggest hit ever? No, but it didn't need to be. Its global performance is a little less great so perhaps that's why a new single has come out at this stage :thinking: I think personally I'd have launched Illusion a week before the album, to give it a shot at debuting well, before an album boost gives it a leg up!

 

They could have released a Training Season remix with a big name artist, a la yes, and?, to give it a little more life in the chart, but I think they'd be due a third single before the album's release anyway. Ariana always planned to launch single 2 with the album, hence the Mariah remix giving yes, and? a little further exposure before the album release, whereas Training Season would likely be on ACR by the album's release anyway, remix or not. Besides, the album having three hits on it by its release will be a HUGE helping hand for the album's streaming figures, especially beyond the first week!

5 weeks top 10 now though is very average especially for a big name. If a song has enough radio support and playlisting to make the top 10 then they tend to hang around for ages.

 

[...] when a big name debuts big but slides down and is out the top 10 after 5 weeks then it is fair to say it might have underperformed as any song these days that truly becomes a hit will probably be in the top 10 for a couple of months at least.

Basically what Joseph said. However, Houdini and Training Season will not magically collect 500k/day when the album is out which is why they should've maximised Illusion's debut and not release it this early. I cannot see her releasing another big focus track with video and airplay when the album is out.

Edited April 13, 20241 yr by Sour Candy

Whilst the poster might be looking for a reaction I do think we need to revaluate what we conder a success in light of how long songs spend on average in the Top 10 - both Houdini and Training Season dropped out the top 10 quite quickly. Maintaining - rather than just obtaining - a Top 10 spot is going to be the mark of true success in the future.

She occupies 3 of the top 50 globally which is more than anyone else right now and that's before the album release. If we look at beyonce she released two singles at the same time and one of them had a couple days in the global 200 before dropping out. It's not easy to do

I also agree that there was no need for a 3rd single prior to the album... I'd also would have milked Training season a bit more and push the new single on album release day...

 

In regards of the Oh Dua has so much playlist support accusation... another thing worth considering imo is that playlists like HH can make a song a hit like Alibi, and they can get 200-300K a day and be low top 10... but the days when HH could make a #1 are gone

now it's Tiktok that makes you a #1, without a bit of help from Tiktok you cannot have 600-700K streams a day, for that you need to be viral on Tiktok,

so Training Season has done pretty well for a non-viral song, for weeks it's been the #1 non-viral song, the highest song in the chart not fuelled by Titktok unlike all your Benson Boone, Djo, Texas hold'em etc

 

A year ago HH could make you a #1, now not anymore, you have to put it into context

 

 

 

 

I also agree that there was no need for a 3rd single prior to the album... I'd also would have milked Training season a bit more and push the new single on album release day...

 

In regards of the Oh Dua has so much playlist support accusation... another thing worth considering imo is that playlists like HH can make a song a hit like Alibi, and they can get 200-300K a day and be low top 10... but the days when HH could make a #1 are gone

now it's Tiktok that makes you a #1, without a bit of help from Tiktok you cannot have 600-700K streams a day, for that you need to be viral on Tiktok,

so Training Season has done pretty well for a non-viral song, for weeks it's been the #1 non-viral song, the highest song in the chart not fuelled by Titktok unlike all your Benson Boone, Djo, Texas hold'em etc

 

A year ago HH could make you a #1, now not anymore, you have to put it into context

Training Season came out 3 months before the album, it would've taken a bit of work to keep it off ACR until the album release. Even then, it'd likely be off radio playlists by then, so a third single before the album was *always* necessary imo, just perhaps not this early.

 

TikTok's been a big factor in a song's success for years now, it felt most prominent during the first lockdown in 2020 when songs like Say So were taking off, Young T & Bugsey got a second wind with Don't Rush, 24kGoldn scored his two hits (as primary artist), then into 2021 when The Kid LAROI broke through and Doja continued to ride the wave with the Planet Her era. TikTok isn't just making #1s now, it's been a big factor for ages. The difference now is that the pool of songs on TikTok is smaller, so there's less choice and we're really noticing the non-Universal songs that are having a viral moment on there.

 

Let's look at the #1s we'd had by this time last year. Lewis and Ed had scored CD-fuelled chart-toppers, Miley's Flowers was a *massive* viral moment, and RAYE's Escapism. was huge on TikTok, so there were extra factors involved in all of these, while David Kushner's viral Daylight was within touching distance of the top spot too. Calvin's Miracle was the only #1 that didn't seem to have any external factors involved beyond good playlist support (and probably good timing as the weather improved etc). It's not only now that TikTok's a factor in a song's success, it was the same before, except it was a little more spread out.

Perrie might end up doing better than Leigh-Anne

Guess we will find out but I don't think training season will go ACR it gained on spotify this week from what I saw

Apple Music :

 

#10 Perrie

#21 Dua Lipa

#40 Sabrina Carpenter

For what it's worth, I also would have expected an artist of Dua's stature to get more than 5 weeks in the top 10 with a pre-album single (especially one as commercial sounding as TS). I also would have expected 'Illusion' to be an easy top ten but going on how it sounds, I think it's going to struggle to get there, though I'm hoping to be proved wrong!