This is the problem with Labour to me. They’re not liked in general, Starmer most people don’t like him but they generally don’t dislike him enough which is a positive BUT this election is on a plate so why would people do things like this? https://x.com/jonashworth/status/1795112597332615662?s=46 it seems small but it’s the type of thing that will remind people why they don’t like Labour. For me it’s the fakeness of it. They act like they’re working class for the people party when they’re just not at all. I really wish they would just say little and stick to being lukewarm and they win big by a mile. If they actually show their true colours they could easy mess this up and end up with 100+ less seats

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22px91700o

 

Clive Myrie and Laura Kuensburg to present the election night coverage for the BBC. Hopefully they're sensible and get Myrie to do the exit poll announcement rather than Kuensburg. Also hopefully means the next election they can quietly drop Kuensburg and give it to Myrie.

Edited May 28, 20241 yr by DoBelieveTheHype

This is the problem with Labour to me. They’re not liked in general, Starmer most people don’t like him but they generally don’t dislike him enough which is a positive BUT this election is on a plate so why would people do things like this? https://x.com/jonashworth/status/1795112597332615662?s=46 it seems small but it’s the type of thing that will remind people why they don’t like Labour. For me it’s the fakeness of it. They act like they’re working class for the people party when they’re just not at all. I really wish they would just say little and stick to being lukewarm and they win big by a mile. If they actually show their true colours they could easy mess this up and end up with 100+ less seats

 

Especially as thousands of Labour voters- including myself - were probably were 'picked last at school'. It's just such a petty think to do - everybody has rightly criticised the pettiness from the Tories with 'sleepy Kier' it just seems stupid for senior Labour figures to be engaging in this American style nonsense. Nobody expects politicians to be good footballers.

I was reasing an article where TWO TEENAGERS! werw against , ans thw rest were all for it. They were air cadets ans young Tories. Anyone would think teenagers were divides on it. Then I realised ... it was a BBTory article. Even on ideas where the majority are DEAD SET AGAINST IR, they have to make it sound like itt's all up for debate and 50/50, and, of course, they have to peotect their Tory overlords at all costs. Shockingly bad broadcaster.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22px91700o

 

Clive Myrie and Laura Kuensburg to present the election night coverage for the BBC. Hopefully they're sensible and get Myrie to do the exit poll announcement rather than Kuensburg. Also hopefully means the next election they can quietly drop Kuensburg and give it to Myrie.

 

Myrie is really good imo, always calm under pressure.

 

Plus his surname changes to Kylie when I type it in here 😆

This is the problem with Labour to me. They’re not liked in general, Starmer most people don’t like him but they generally don’t dislike him enough which is a positive BUT this election is on a plate so why would people do things like this? https://x.com/jonashworth/status/1795112597332615662?s=46 it seems small but it’s the type of thing that will remind people why they don’t like Labour. For me it’s the fakeness of it. They act like they’re working class for the people party when they’re just not at all. I really wish they would just say little and stick to being lukewarm and they win big by a mile. If they actually show their true colours they could easy mess this up and end up with 100+ less seats

 

I don’t think Starmers Labour pretend at all to stand for the working classes they are very much after the middle classss and are the middle class.

 

Makes you wonder why people moved from Labour in 2010 when they are offering again what’s on offer now and the tories weren’t popular in 2010 considering the playing field. They only won majorities when brexit became a thing!

I don’t think Starmers Labour pretend at all to stand for the working classes they are very much after the middle classss and are the middle class.

 

Makes you wonder why people moved from Labour in 2010 when they are offering again what’s on offer now and the tories weren’t popular in 2010 considering the playing field. They only won majorities when brexit became a thing!

 

100% this!!

 

The problem now is disingenuous Labour Blairites and EXTREME centrists can now claim that centrism eins and right wing wins. But ... Corbyn's policies were WILDLY populsr. Taking that mrssage to the people, he was 2k votss fron beating Mad May, after starting off on like 15%!! What happened was the entire British establishment, plus the extreme centrists in Labour, sabotaged him all together and made him hated tbf we can take solace from the fact that thr pandemic started months later. Whilst Corbyn would have been 100x brtter than Blojo the Etonian cloen, a circus of British class system and cap doffin failures, what he wanted to do ... he wouldn't havr bern able to, mostly, due to the pandemic and aftershocks of it PLUS thr Brexshit mess.

I'm not sure what Starmer is going for. Is he trying to be a nicer version of the Tories to win votes?

 

They could go aggressively the other way (and being basically the opposite of the Tories) but many would argue that wouldn't win votes.

 

I do think childish behaviour on social media doesn't help though. There's so many things to criticise Sunak for than his footballing skills.

I don’t think Starmers Labour pretend at all to stand for the working classes they are very much after the middle classss and are the middle class.

 

Makes you wonder why people moved from Labour in 2010 when they are offering again what’s on offer now and the tories weren’t popular in 2010 considering the playing field. They only won majorities when brexit became a thing!

 

Not sure really- the definition of working class doesn’t really exist anymore and neither does the middle class. It’s such a broad spectrum these days, you’ve lots of people on traditional working class jobs that comfortably earn near 40% rates and likewise you have plenty of traditional white colllar office jobs that pay just above the Living Wage. I think this whole “not working for the working class” is nonsense, they clearly do, but they’ll clearly let corporate business influence them too, hopefully leading to the best of both worlds allowing the economy and quality of life to flourish.

 

Feels stupid to pick on Rishi for his football skills too, agree, that’s not needed and no need to stoop to that level imo.

 

 

I don’t even mind mocking rishi it was the tone, like it was a bullying type vibe, he gets picked last ha ha ha. A lot of people have horrible school experiences of being picked last and being terrible and most of them are the ones labour generally claim to stand up for. It’s a totally unnecessary angle to come from when your only chance of not winning comfortably is doing things like that.

 

So here’s something that is interesting at 5pm a big poll is coming out

 

https://x.com/redfieldwilton/status/1795394583934755154?s=46

 

Then I seen this tweet from guido who is more close to Tories https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/1795462783464562721?s=46

 

So I imagine they’re related and it’s the first poll since the whole national service thing which I did think might help the Tories because it’s a more popular policy than it seems and the sheer disdain for it will always create a backlash among people who actually like it, so even though it’s a BS fairytale policy it can make people go back to saying they’ll be pro Tory but let’s see hopefully it’s not too much of a change

I don’t even mind mocking rishi it was the tone, like it was a bullying type vibe, he gets picked last ha ha ha. A lot of people have horrible school experiences of being picked last and being terrible and most of them are the ones labour generally claim to stand up for. It’s a totally unnecessary angle to come from when your only chance of not winning comfortably is doing things like that.

 

So here’s something that is interesting at 5pm a big poll is coming out

 

https://x.com/redfieldwilton/status/1795394583934755154?s=46

 

Then I seen this tweet from guido who is more close to Tories https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/1795462783464562721?s=46

 

So I imagine they’re related and it’s the first poll since the whole national service thing which I did think might help the Tories because it’s a more popular policy than it seems and the sheer disdain for it will always create a backlash among people who actually like it, so even though it’s a BS fairytale policy it can make people go back to saying they’ll be pro Tory but let’s see hopefully it’s not too much of a change

 

It covers over the weekend - so likely both before and after the national service announcement. Might be the case the Tories get a small bump in this only to lose it in polls conducted after it. I think everybody with an ounce of common sense knows the polls will narrow but it's unlikely to be enough to overturn Labour's lead.

I don’t even mind mocking rishi it was the tone, like it was a bullying type vibe, he gets picked last ha ha ha. A lot of people have horrible school experiences of being picked last and being terrible and most of them are the ones labour generally claim to stand up for. It’s a totally unnecessary angle to come from when your only chance of not winning comfortably is doing things like that.

 

So here’s something that is interesting at 5pm a big poll is coming out

 

https://x.com/redfieldwilton/status/1795394583934755154?s=46

 

Then I seen this tweet from guido who is more close to Tories https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/1795462783464562721?s=46

 

So I imagine they’re related and it’s the first poll since the whole national service thing which I did think might help the Tories because it’s a more popular policy than it seems and the sheer disdain for it will always create a backlash among people who actually like it, so even though it’s a BS fairytale policy it can make people go back to saying they’ll be pro Tory but let’s see hopefully it’s not too much of a change

 

It's a 23% lead for Labour (Lab 46% Con 23% REF 13% LD 9% GRN 5%).

 

If that's the good Tory poll what the hell are the bad ones gonna look like?

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Reform's spike in popularity on that graph :o

In other news, Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey obviously forgot to heed the advice not to get involved in any photo-op that could lead to embarrassment -

 

 

In other news, Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey obviously forgot to heed the advice not to get involved in any photo-op that could lead to embarrassment -

 

 

What is it with all these neoliberal party leaders getting soggy this election?!

So much for that poll being positive news for the Tories. :lol:

 

I just want the manifestos to be released already. Labour seem to be going the ways of popular policies with acceptable ways of getting there such as renationalisation of the railways, likely renationalising energy and I'm hoping they will also go the way of renationalising water too.

 

And I do agree about the comment of Labour MPs should stay fairly quiet/not criticise unless being attacked directly by the conservatives. Although what always frustrates me is that people will use a magnifying glass for labour and say "Rishi is being picked on" and causing an issue with Labour. However, those very same people will defend racist/homophobic/transphobic/misogynistic statesments from conservatives MPs saying things along the lines of "they're entitled to their opinions" :rolleyes:

 

 

So much for that poll being positive news for the Tories. :lol:

 

I just want the manifestos to be released already. Labour seem to be going the ways of popular policies with acceptable ways of getting there such as renationalisation of the railways, likely renationalising energy and I'm hoping they will also go the way of renationalising water too.

 

And I do agree about the comment of Labour MPs should stay fairly quiet/not criticise unless being attacked directly by the conservatives. Although what always frustrates me is that people will use a magnifying glass for labour and say "Rishi is being picked on" and causing an issue with Labour. However, those very same people will defend racist/homophobic/transphobic/misogynistic statesments from conservatives MPs saying things along the lines of "they're entitled to their opinions" :rolleyes:

 

The energy plans have already been announced by Labour and they don't include the renationalisation of energy - rather setting up a state company. The private sector would still operate. I remember being disappointed when it was announced. The rail nationalisation policy is also very weak - it'll take years before all train companies are brought into public ownership.

The energy plans have already been announced by Labour and they don't include the renationalisation of energy - rather setting up a state company. The private sector would still operate. I remember being disappointed when it was announced. The rail nationalisation policy is also very weak - it'll take years before all train companies are brought into public ownership.

 

Thanks, I'll have a read through the energy plans. Although the exact detail won't be until we get the manifestos.

 

I don't think the rail nationalisation policy is very weak. It makes sense to only renationalise when contracts expire over the next 5 years or so. Otherwise it will cost the government an arm and a leg which it doesn't have to spend currently. It'll also allow British rail to build up overtime, reducing risk of disruption from trying to take public ownership of all railways at once.

 

It'll also likely mean contractual changes/new pay system being established for all railway staff and trying to negotiate/sort that out will take time. So better to do it in increments as the various contracts expire as opposed to all at once.

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Corbyn was going to do the same with rsil. It makes sense.