Irish performance was million times weirder and should have been banned.

 

What??

If we take the view that we’re improving one aspect each year, then hopefully next year we can finally get a good enough singer / a good enough song and then smash in 2026 *.*

 

Honestly this - we are improving and certainly applying more effort rather than just sending a reality show reject with a mid tempo ballad.

 

I just hope we continue with the same effort and it doesn’t deter established singers and songwriters following on from this year.

 

 

In other news Nicki French is currently #7 on the Estonian iTunes Charts with our 2000 entry ‘Dont Play That Song Again’ - maybe that’s what Europe want from us :lol:

Zero shocking as scandalous

100% shocking as shockingly bad, the tiniest vocals, everybody I waas wtching thought his microphone wasn't working, that's how poor his vocals were, definetely the poorest performance of the show

 

100% THIS!!

In other news Nicki French is currently #7 on the Estonian iTunes Charts with our 2000 entry ‘Dont Play That Song Again’ - maybe that’s what Europe want from us :lol:

 

 

What an apt name for any UK Eurovision entry that isn't Sam Ryder!!! (Or Andrew Lloyd Webber or Electro Velvet)

Not at all shocking.

 

Next year’s UK entry will hopefully be a mix of strong vocals, a WOW song and visually electrifying performance (like Ireland’s this year). Someone said earlier about a rock/opera act - brilliant idea!

People will find scandalous anything that isn’t a white straight cis man singing about liking cars, so who the f*** cares really

I cackle at the fact there was even talk about the performance being too "out there" or homoerotic like Spain yet Spain got a higher televoting than us. In terms of shocking, Ireland is a lot more shocking but they were rewarded for that. I thought the contrary is true unfortunately which makes me think the performance only had an elaborate staging with good play on gravity and dizziness. To me the problem was the song and vocals.

We’ll always have dolboyebs like this one below

 

Irish performance was million times weirder and should have been banned.

Irish performance was million times weirder and should have been banned.

Not you trying to ban paganism :kink:

Honestly people who found the performance shocking should probably go outside more, plenty of acts inside and outside of Eurovision have had dancers acting like that. I mean it's hardly milkmaids churning butter?

No one I was watching with (including straight people!) found it shocking, the only thing that surprised them was that the UK was sending something with a stage presence tbh.

I don't think 'shocking' is the right word, but I sense the overt homoerotic nature of the performance was literally all that stuck with most of the audience, as the song itself was extremely forgettable in a really strong night of standout performances and song structures and that would've put off the more conservative voting bases and there were way more entries fulfilling the 'shocking' criteria. Not that that was by any means the main factor - the poor vocals stood out particularly.

 

We did alright with the juries so this wasn't a major failure, but I don't know how many times it needs to be said - midtempo pop is not a vote winner, we need a strong, standout song that doesn't sound like anything else there and/or has a killer chorus or vocal. We have so, so many examples in our music industry, I am starting to wonder if it's interference from higher above that demand it be kept radio friendly.

I don't think 'shocking' is the right word, but I sense the overt homoerotic nature of the performance was literally all that stuck with most of the audience, as the song itself was extremely forgettable in a really strong night of standout performances and song structures and that would've put off the more conservative voting bases and there were way more entries fulfilling the 'shocking' criteria. Not that that was by any means the main factor - the poor vocals stood out particularly.

 

We did alright with the juries so this wasn't a major failure, but I don't know how many times it needs to be said - midtempo pop is not a vote winner, we need a strong, standout song that doesn't sound like anything else there and/or has a killer chorus or vocal. We have so, so many examples in our music industry, I am starting to wonder if it's interference from higher above that demand it be kept radio friendly.

It’s always going to be radio friendly because of it being a BBC One and Radio 2 entertainment show. So if you we are going to send middle of the road pop we need the staging and performer to elevate it like Sam did.

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It was more the fact he couldn’t sing and could hardly hear him

Irish performance was million times weirder and should have been banned.

 

Oh nooo, a non Christian nooo!!!

It’s always going to be radio friendly because of it being a BBC One and Radio 2 entertainment show. So if you we are going to send middle of the road pop we need the staging and performer to elevate it like Sam did.

Maybe the BBC are half the problem then - the process needs to be overseen by people who will think outside the box much more.

Yes, I suspect the BBC requirement for something that works on BBC1, Radio 1 and Radio 2 simultaneously is definitely part of the issue and will keep holding us back apart from on the odd occasion that we have a top drawer singer/performer like Sam.

 

I don't really see the situation changing any time soon either. Even when we had a national final, the six songs were always varying shades of beige each year.

Honestly people who found the performance shocking should probably go outside more, plenty of acts inside and outside of Eurovision have had dancers acting like that. I mean it's hardly milkmaids churning butter?

No one I was watching with (including straight people!) found it shocking, the only thing that surprised them was that the UK was sending something with a stage presence tbh.

 

Right?? People on socials are really out here acting like straight people are always chaste and modest. I was reading what felt like some light homophobia in the tone of the comments but wanted to be sure I wasn't projecting.

I think Olly attempted to be shocking but it didn’t necessarily pay off

 

I think he spent too much effort on the performance / staging / attempt at choreography / shock factor that the vocals took a huge nosedive. It’s a shame because he’s far better a performer than what he’s shown us at Eurovision.

 

I just hope we get someone next year who’s actually able to confidently perform. Sam Ryder can’t just be a fluke we have to manage it again and I do think we’d be capable with the right song.

I was 9 when I watched my first Eurovision, kids these days are watching it younger than I was. It's a family occasion, not a niche market for niche people and it's global, covering a lot of cultures, many of which don't have homo-erotic images on telly (the 69 was part of the routine, however briefly). Not against it myself, quite the reverse, but I'm not the target voting audience cos I've never voted. Love it, but dont vote. A lot of my family vote though.

 

From a voting point of view, have homo-erotic-tinged routines ever done well at Eurovision? Not so much. If there's prancing behind a female singer, people arent that bothered, if there's male "nudity" and it's amusing, people arent that bothered. Not saying anything is right or wrong, but things just are, and if you want to get big votes you need to appeal to everyone - first and foremost with an in-ya-face vocal performance and a strong song, and then try not to mess it up with staging choices. If you are dancing hard and singing you need to make sure you can multi-task, cos if not get someone else to do the dancing...

 

Dizzy was a classy song, IMO, but it's a grower not a show'er, and winning Eurovision is all about show'ers - see Snap! in 2023 for the ultimate grower....