I haven't went on about anything I have just pointed out I think its a wrong stereotype to chose which once Hassan clarified I didnt have any issue with. I also used a comparison with drinking culture to yourself to highlight my point.

 

The other posts I have made have simply been in response to T Boy.

 

I haven't ignored anyone I am just debating my opinion and what I feel is right.

Of course I’m on one side of any debate, I don’t sit on the fence. I called out straight white pearl clutching because a number of posters, not just you, were doing just that. The fragile egos of football fans aren’t really that important right now and it was a reach to come to the conclusion you, and others, did. There is no way Hassan’s comment meant that he thought all football fans must be hooligans. Even if it was hyperbolic, it was clearly obviously so and therefore didn’t need the backlash of ‘not all football fans’ and then being called lazy.

 

I don’t make out that I’m ’innocent’ at all. I’ve always been a straight shooter on this site and for your information, I’ve very much been holding back this year when it comes to calling things out. I just see that you’re constantly winding people up and whenever anyone does call you on you act all noble like you’re just seeing both sides or something. You backtrack so much. You act like you’re above everyone else because you seem to see people being on one side of a debate as some sort of weakness when really they’re just sticking to their convictions. You do it in the Chart forum too. It’s irritating.

 

The fact is that multiple posters even explained the initial post to you and you largely chose to ignore it, repeatedly described people as ‘lazy’ and acted like you’re some sort of persecuted mintority.

 

How am I acting like I am some persecuted minority, this isnt about minorities its about treating everyone equally.

 

How do I make out I am above everyone else? No idea where all your coming from saying that.

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This topic is about minoirities though, second only to the victims that were killed or injured in this attack.

Of course the overall topic is about that, but in relation to the point I was trying to make it wasn't about minorities it was a debate about using stereotypes to describe a group of people.

I specifically said football hooligans, not football fans.

 

Either way, that's the image that's out there.

Actually, if you look back at your posts your weren't specific at all. You made a vague, slightly sweeping connection between football and this outbreak of violence, which is probably why you got the reaction from some that you did. You added the lone word hooliganism as an explanation but gave no greater context to your argument

 

Anyone on here, I'm sure understood you're meaning but I'd perhaps suggest it could have been worded better as it was likely to provoke a response otherwise. I personally don't see the need to draw that connection given we're talking such a small subset of people that like football. It's distracting from the real issue and is at best a vague connection which is based too much in speculation and preconceived ideas rather than fact.

Can I remind ppl of the rules in this forum? Please let's not drift away from the seriousness of this topic or continue attacking each other. The comment about football fans was unfair but there's no need to become so defensive and abusive in response. Any further such comments will be deleted, thank you.

 

The stabbings on Tuesday were horrific and god knows what trauma the children who witnessed such an event and survived it will be going through. The senseless violence that followed, in a community that was simply trying to grieve, from the EDL/far-right and its outriders was equally horrific and worrying. It's the same old playbook though, exploiting a tragic event to further their own idealogy: sow discontent, divide communities, and then immediately clear off and having created tensions simply leave these vulnerable communities to pick up the pieces. Farage, Yaxley-Lennon- all these bastards who claim to care for the safety of the young and vulnerable in our society but actually rejoice everytime something like this happens with it gifting them the opportunity to grift like never before.. they can all get in the bin. As can Elon Musk and all the social media companies that make fat profits off monetising anger and fear.

 

The whole news cycle this week has been deeply depressing. 😔

I'm surprised we're only now getting the "EDL should be considered a terrorist group". Especially if there end up being more rallies/riots this weekend.

 

I don't have much memory of what went on in 2011 but it's not looking too dissimilar.

I genuinely always believed or assumed they were!

I genuinely always believed or assumed they were!

I don't think it's ever been clearly described as one, just a "far right group".

 

There's National Action which was banned.

The problem with classifying the EDL as a terrorist organisation is that it no longer formally exists. There's no leader, no official members, no network of groups under the banner. They all splintered years ago and operate as individual groups under varying identities and unless they formalise it, which would be counterproductive right now, they will be very hard to target.

I hope they make an example of them regardless.

 

Needless to say I'm staying away from any cities over the next few weekends.

I hope they make an example of them regardless.

 

Needless to say I'm staying away from any cities over the next few weekends.

 

This is the sort of thing that could literally happen anywhere, and there's not a lot that can be done about it. You can't let it stop you living your life.

This is the sort of thing that could literally happen anywhere, and there's not a lot that can be done about it. You can't let it stop you living your life.

Even if I wasn't Muslim, I'm very Muslim-looking so if I came across it, then that'd be an issue.

 

Obviously, I'd steer clear and if I had to be around that place, I'd have someone with me, but it just takes one person.

Even if I wasn't Muslim, I'm very Muslim-looking so if I came across it, then that'd be an issue.

 

Obviously, I'd steer clear and if I had to be around that place, I'd have someone with me, but it just takes one person.

 

These people are absolute pussies. They talk but they won't do anything - the way these thugs act is they go for group trouble rather than attacking individuals. For all the noise at the moment, I think if anyone was being randomly physically or verbally abused most common people would step in.

I think Hassaan is ok to be concerned-these idiots haven’t left everyone alone today. Hopefully things will die out over the next week.

 

I do wish they’d stop reporting about anti-immigration protestors and just call them what they are-racists.

 

 

These people are absolute pussies. They talk but they won't do anything - the way these thugs act is they go for group trouble rather than attacking individuals. For all the noise at the moment, I think if anyone was being randomly physically or verbally abused most common people would step in.

 

There have been random assaults on Muslim people this weekend!! Tñ

I think Hassaan is ok to be concerned-these idiots haven’t left everyone alone today. Hopefully things will die out over the next week.

 

I do wish they’d stop reporting about anti-immigration protestors and just call them what they are-racists.

I'm reading that they attacked a random (?) black man in Manchester.

 

Hopefully the police are switched on enough to diffuse it from now on.

 

I can't fathom any of it though. I know what's led to it and social media has a lot to answer for, but you don't need to be the most intelligent person to know that none of this helps anyone.

 

I don't believe those rioting care about what happened. You can't talk about protecting children's safety and throw bricks at a building.

No they def don’t care less about what actually happened in Southport they just want to take over the streets to make them feel big and have a fight with the police and if they can loot a store on the way home even better.

 

It is concerning to see random attacks on businesses known to be owned by foreign nationals or some not even that and also seeing random attacks on social media on the short clips you see there. So think Hassan is right to be concerned, keep safe everyone!

I'm reading that they attacked a random (?) black man in Manchester.

 

Hopefully the police are switched on enough to diffuse it from now on.

 

I can't fathom any of it though. I know what's led to it and social media has a lot to answer for, but you don't need to be the most intelligent person to know that none of this helps anyone.

 

I don't believe those rioting care about what happened. You can't talk about protecting children's safety and throw bricks at a building.

 

I was just about to come and say this. I think if you feel it's better to stay away from cities for your own safety then I think you're perfectly allowed to do that. I've seen some heinous acts on twitter today, one being a video of what you're talking about.

 

Honestly it sickens me. The fact that people just do what they want and use something as an excuse to do it. Looting, rioting etc... "in the name of taking back their country" just to expose their racism And even then I'm not quite sure why it's happening apart from people looking for an excuse to be c**ts.

 

What happened during the week to this little girls was horrible but the racists were out in force straight away. Nigel Farage has been spouting stuff as well, so that doesn't help. I'm not quite sure Keir Starmer is helping either because as far as I can tell, nothings been said from him? I could be wrong.

I'm not quite sure Keir Starmer is helping either because as far as I can tell, nothings been said from him? I could be wrong.

He did a press conference about it all. I'd say he's been quite vocal about it.

 

Naturally Farage has been quite vocal, interpreting it as him demonising the far right.