I don't see how Frankie can say Charlotte is a faithful though - it would completely kill her trying to banish Charlotte in any forthcoming banishments. If she then says she lied that Charlotte was a faithful, it would just bring more heat back on her.

 

Well her strategy would be to only have other Faithfuls left who would understand the position she was put in and that she would always get voted off if she told them and got into a direct accusé with Charlotte. Which is basically only Alexander lol. It's go in on Leanne, then probably Jake too, and then continue the game with Charlotte, Alexander and herself and hoping Alexander figures out why she's continued the game.

 

just spitballing as to how a player who now seems utterly doomed could still win. I like Francesca but I would be amazed if she pulled that off. I can't quite call what Charlotte would do in that situation and she'd be far more likely to win than Francesca at pretty much all stages of that plan by convincing the votes to go some other way.

 

I also kind of hope it happens (or gets down to 3 in some fashion with Charlotte still there) because that's the most fun conclusion to any game of Mafia/Werewolf-likes.

That would be very silly for Frankie to do why would she do that ?

 

Almost every permutation of Frankie saying to the group 'Charlotte is a Traitor' leads to Frankie being banished at some point because Charlotte's only defense is to counter and the non-reveal of roles won't let the other 3 feel safe. So the only way she survives is having other Faithfuls trust her enough and ironically that's saying Charlotte is not a traitor originally and leaving them to figure out why she's done that when she later swings back towards Charlotte.

IZ strategy seems a bit too overthinking and risky to me. She surely has to say Charlotte is a traitor and logically explain there is no benefit to her saying that other than it being fact. It’s not like Charlotte was suspected or was pointing the finger at her. Of course knowing how bad this lot have been for working things out I can imagine Leanne saying well because Freddie said her this is Frankie going off that and if she is a traitor it’s trying to use what Freddie did to get her out. Surely they don’t be that stupid though.

If it was me and I got to the final four I’d try to have a trusted alliance and then get at least one other out probably two so I got more money and that’s not caring if they’re a faithful or not. I imagine that kind of logic will enter their minds too especially if there are small doubts on someone. So yeah Frankie might end up being in trouble no matter what

I’d love it to not play out in the obvious and predictable way but it looks like it very much will unless they really are all dumber than we think.

Frankie literally explained in the show that she picked Charlotte to confirm her faithfulness...! A smart move if Charlotte actually were a faithful then they could form an alliance and ensure they're the final 2. Obviously, it won't work that way given Charlotte's actually a traitor.

 

That's what the producers want you to think. That clip iirc was a voiceover clip. This show is so heavily edited and clipped that it pulls together a narrative (like the other night, where is heavily hinted Jake would be murdered). In Frankie's mind it will be win-win, if it's a Faithful then she knows a true ally, but that vote that Freddie did will have put a seed of doubt in her mind, which is why she choose her as she wants to believe she's a faithful. Otherwise it's fecking stupid as you'd just know for certain whether Alexander was a traitor or not.

That's what the producers want you to think. That clip iirc was a voiceover clip. This show is so heavily edited and clipped that it pulls together a narrative (like the other night, where is heavily hinted Jake would be murdered). In Frankie's mind it will be win-win, if it's a Faithful then she knows a true ally, but that vote that Freddie did will have put a seed of doubt in her mind, which is why she choose her as she wants to believe she's a faithful. Otherwise it's fecking stupid as you'd just know for certain whether Alexander was a traitor or not.

Fairly sure she said it a few times over and it was reinforced tonight so I see no reason to doubt it.

 

The most predictable final for sure, gutted for Charlotte but it was impossible for her to get out of that situation :(

I'm so gutted for Frankie :(

I mean, it’s the name of the game but that was such a disappointing final. Charlotte wasn’t even given a hope with that twist. The two genuinely nicest players were ousted and horrible Leanne was horrible right up until the last minute. Bit of a damp squib for me despite that I’ve enjoyed watching the whole series. Definitely a final not on par with the previous ones.

The seer thing dampened the final from a TV perspective.

 

Alexander sadly sealed his fate with that final Round Table.

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That really was a poor final after such a good series. It felt just kind of cruel to see Faithfuls voting each other off with no Traitors left and Charlotte's machinations were completely undone by the Seer accidentally picking her - good concept but it was used poorly here.

 

all to lead to the most predictable outcome - Frankie should have listened to me, the lack of trust around that fire was set from Charlotte's admittedly well-placed reactions throughout the day leading up to it.

 

Justice for Frankie & Alexander, both really good players throughout who got questioned way more than they should have while Leanne and Jake sailed through without so much a hint of suspicion. Good for the winners but it would have been far more feelgood if it were shared with all of them, I feel I would have had a massive amount of guilt banishing Faithfuls when not necessary, odd they didn't seem to show that.

Alexander came across the best for sure but they were all hopelessly wrong so much I can’t say anyone deserved it

A disappointing ending indeed. I'm quite sad for Frankie as she was one of the most genuine and trustworthy there and won it for them for one and yet was still voted off even after swearing as a mother, it would've been way more interesting had she actually went along with Charlotte. I can't help but feel there's just an element of cliqueyness to those final banishments, particularly for Alexander, I could tell where it was going as soon as Charlotte was banished, while I'm pleased for her family, I can't say I'm hugely enthusiastic about Leanne winning who was way too defensive and straight out nasty to Alexander at points which made me annoyed.

 

An entertaining series, and I don't think the Seer was a bad concept, it just came way too late and robbed us of what would've been a blinder of a game plan.

Fairly sure she said it a few times over and it was reinforced tonight so I see no reason to doubt it.

 

The most predictable final for sure, gutted for Charlotte but it was impossible for her to get out of that situation :(

 

She said she did it because of the Freddie vote in Uncloaked tonight as it seeded a small bit of doubt! Knew it. No way she would have picked Charlotte otherwise, she'd have picked Alexander.

 

I thought the episode was brilliant. There's always been an element of cliqueyness in every series so far. If you get picked for those dungeon/death match games it's so hard to come back. Alexander was dealt a difficult hand, but that's just the game. The seer twist was great as it got in everyone's head, Charlotte pulled a blinder and she would have been a brilliant winner too as a traitor. But I also think the way to play the game is to play the odds and banish if there is any doubt.

The Seer twist only would have been kinda iconic if there were two traitors left in the game and one of them also won the Seer and picked the other one to reveal bc then they could both play as faithfuls and take the win. Frankie was always doomed as soon as she picked Charlotte as the remaining faithfuls were always going to banish both of them. I dont think hiding their identity added anything either really, maybe it could have saved Frankie if they'd revealed Charlotte when she left but it still could have ended the same as well.

The Seer just wasn't necessary at the stage it came in, we're only on season 3, the show doesn't need twists to keep it interesting. It killed the finale for me and it was really unfair for Frankie and Charlotte, I hope it's not something that returns again unless it's much earlier on in the game. But again, it has the potential if brought in early to remove a traitor who could be great TV, why would they want to do it. I hope the reaction from fans is enough to put them off bringing it back.

The Seer just wasn't necessary at the stage it came in, we're only on season 3, the show doesn't need twists to keep it interesting. It killed the finale for me and it was really unfair for Frankie and Charlotte, I hope it's not something that returns again unless it's much earlier on in the game. But again, it has the potential if brought in early to remove a traitor who could be great TV, why would they want to do it. I hope the reaction from fans is enough to put them off bringing it back.

 

Dunno, as someone whose watched all 3 series from the start, there were points this series where I was getting a little bored as you knew the format and the logic people were using. I think it needs twists to keep the players on theie toes. I enjoyed the Seer twist, I think it made the first half of the episode and the iamspamspamamiscene TV gold. It left the finale a little anticlimatic, but I think the finale last year was a complete one off in terms of drama.

 

With all these twists or when players get pulled out (like the death match or the prison in Series 1/2) it immeditely brings suspicion on them and seems unfair, but that's the game.

I watched the final live screened at my local gay bar, it was really funny with a crowd of people booing and cheering at certain parts :lol:

 

I was so gutted at Frankie's banishment I almost cried, although I knew she was toast at that point. I'd have been way happier with her and Alexander being the final two.

 

I really wanted one of them in the EndGame round to write "Claudia" on the slate :lol:

 

*Also, we didn't get to see the reaction to them discovering Charlotte had a fake accent?!?!

 

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*Also, we didn't get to see the reaction to them discovering Charlotte had a fake accent?!?!

 

That was covered on Uncloaked straight after!

The seer thing the way it worked out was terrible as it left very few options and it petered out into a predictable ending. Let’s say Charlotte handled the Freddie situation better and he still goes then Frankie picks Alexander then maybe it would have been a genius move by the producers. In that situation you have Frankie & Alexander pretty trusting of each other with Leanne and Jake pretty trusting of each other and Charlotte in the middle trusted by all yet the traitor. I don’t know how that would have panned out

I agree that the seer could have worked well if it was used earlier on when it was a bigger group , twists are good and necessary when done well like death match was fab I really enjoyed it, the in plain sight murders are always good tbh