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  • Julian_
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    Week 9: 1 1 Lola Young Messy 434,000 610,000 2 2 Rosé and Bruno Mars APT. 412,000 770,000 3 3 Gracie Abrams That's So True 384,000 820,000 4 4 Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars Die With A Smile 344,000 980,00

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5 minutes ago, gasman449 said:

I actually think it could be Arctics Do I Wanna Know, it was doing decently on audio streaming. That or Feel Good Inc has finally made it

They would be new entries (for 2025 YTD purposes).

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Week 9:

1

1

Lola Young

Messy

434,000

610,000

2

2

Rosé and Bruno Mars

APT.

412,000

770,000

3

3

Gracie Abrams

That's So True

384,000

820,000

4

4

Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars

Die With A Smile

344,000

980,000

5

5

Chrystal

The Days

270,000

440,000

6

6

Gigi Perez

Sailor Song

259,000

860,000

7

7

Billie Eilish

Birds Of A Feather

252,000

1,480,000

8

8

Chappell Roan

Good Luck, Babe!

249,000

1,460,000

9

9

Sabrina Carpenter

Espresso

218,000

1,970,000

10

12

Benson Boone

Beautiful Things

214,000

2,000,000

11

10

Sabrina Carpenter

Taste

213,000

1,010,000

12

11

Teddy Swims

Lose Control

211,000

2,050,000

13

17

Chappell Roan

Pink Pony Club

194,000

640,000

14

19

Kendrick Lamar

Not Like Us

190,000

810,000

15

13

Teddy Swims

The Door

186,000

850,000

16

14

Teddy Swims

Bad Dreams

181,000

420,000

17

15

Hozier

Too Sweet

177,000

1,640,000

18

16

Shaboozey

A Bar Song (Tipsy)

176,000

1,510,000

19

18

Noah Kahan

Stick Season

170,000

2,690,000

20

21

Sabrina Carpenter

Please Please Please

168,000

1,310,000

21

20

Myles Smith

Stargazing

167,000

1,180,000

22

23

Myles Smith

Nice To Meet You

166,000

280,000

23

24

Gracie Abrams

I Love You, I'm Sorry

163,000

650,000

24

22

The Weeknd and Playboi Carti

Timeless

163,000

390,000

25

26

Sabrina Carpenter

Bed Chem

153,000

540,000

26

31

Kendrick Lamar & Sza

Luther

153,000

250,000

27

25

Jimin

Who

153,000

420,000

28

28

Sonny Fodera, Jazzy & D.O.D.

Somedays

153,000

620,000

29

27

Chappell Roan

Hot To Go!

152,000

810,000

30

29

Billie Eilish

Wildflower

144,000

660,000

31

30

Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande

Defying Gravity

139,000

260,000

32

34

Doechii

Denial Is A River

134,000

33

37

Sam Fender

People Watching

132,000

34

32

Bl3ss & CamrinWatsin featuring BbyClose

Kisses

129,000

780,000

35

33

Pawsa and The Adventures Of Stevie V

Dirty Cash (Money Talks)

127,000

36

35

The Killers

Mr Brightside

126,000

6,190,000

37

40

Kendrick Lamar & Sza

All The Stars

126,000

2,040,000

38

36

Post Malone featuring Morgan Wallen

I Had Some Help

126,000

1,040,000

39

45

Lady Gaga

Abracadabra

123,000

40

39

Kendrick Lamar

TV Off

122,000

41

52

Tate McRae

Sports Car

115,000

53

59

Imogen Heap

Headlock

97,000

65

65

Central Cee & Dave

CRG

87,000

67

69

Alex Warren

Burning Down

87,000

72

81

Tate McRae

It's OK I'm OK

85,000

270,000

84

-

Alex Warren

Ordinary

78,000

89

-

Sam Fender

Arm's Length

76,000

92

97

SZA with Kendrick Lamar

30 For 30

76,000

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Entered this week:

Ordinary

Arm’s Length

I Remember Everything

Left this week:

Valerie

End Of Beginning

I Always Wanted A Brother

On 01/03/2025 at 19:02, Maestro said:

Having now done my estimations I agree with gasman that Ordinary and Arm's Length are definitely in this week at the expense of I Always Wanted a Brother and End of Beginning (#23 last year, re-entering this week), which seemed to get a one week boost on Spotify before falling back again. I also think Valerie might be in trouble soon.

3 hours ago, Maestro said:

I think it could be 'I Remember Everything' which has had a bit of a resurgence on Spotify.

6 for 6.

1 minute ago, awardinary said:

Nice to see you can make posts again @Maestro after the issues you reported.

I'm afraid I can still only post on my laptop unfortunately as it's still not working on my phone.

Tbh it's probably just my phone being trash as it's pretty old, hoping to get a new one soon.

'Abracadabra' in the top 40 - hello 2025!

I thought 'Sports Car' might make it too but hadn't reckoned on the threshold for top 40 jumping by 20k in a week - the power of mustaaaaard

As I'm a little late it's worth noting that as of week 10, The Chain has now charted on audio streaming this year (#100 this week). Another Love and The Sound of Silence are still yet to.

Feel like I Remember Everything (#39 last year) could hang around for a bit, think it has quite a good premium ratio.

Unwritten is a guaranteed re-entry next week, I'd guess at the expense of Diet Pepsi.

Beyond that I'm not sure, No One Noticed, Casual and Raving in the Studio haven't quite done enough I don't think, so any other entries are likely to be surprise oldies, I have no idea what else is in trouble at the bottom either (maybe Naive?)

In response to gasman predicting an appearance for Do I Wanna Know?, looking at the independent chart, I don't think its weekly numbers are strong enough currently

9 minutes ago, Maestro said:

In response to gasman predicting an appearance for Do I Wanna Know?, looking at the independent chart, I don't think its weekly numbers are strong enough currently

Ah dang it. No One Noticed and Raving In The Studio are about 8k short of the list, also think we'll just get Unwritten back this week. I have 360 dropping out for it but it's a total gamble once again

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8 minutes ago, gasman449 said:

Ah dang it. No One Noticed and Raving In The Studio are about 8k short of the list, also think we'll just get Unwritten back this week. I have 360 dropping out for it but it's a total gamble once again

I think No One Noticed and Raving in the Studio are a bit closer than that, I have them both on ~78k (as of today's chart) and I wouldn't expect the cut off next week to be much higher than 82k.

360 is a very difficult one to estimate because its sales seem to be much better than its Apple & Spotify performances suggest (due to remixes I guess), it caught me out at the end of last year so now I'm quite generous estimating it, but I think it'll be safe for a while, I have at at #83 on 79k as of last week

1 minute ago, Maestro said:

I think No One Noticed and Raving in the Studio are a bit closer than that, I have them both on ~78k (as of today's chart) and I wouldn't expect the cut off next week to be much higher than 82k.

360 is a very difficult one to estimate because its sales seem to be much better than its Apple & Spotify performances suggest (due to remixes I guess), it caught me out at the end of last year so now I'm quite generous estimating it, but I think it'll be safe for a while, I have at at #83 on 79k as of last week

Yh that 8k should've been 5k, made a typo 😬 I currently have the cutoff at 81k (73k when we got Tuesday's update) and I'm probably well overestimating Diet Pepsi too, I have it on 82.5k at 94. Because 360 had a big drop-off on the audio streaming chart after the first week I just assumed it was tanking and gave it low sales when it's probably not the case at all.

9 minutes ago, gasman449 said:

Yh that 8k should've been 5k, made a typo 😬 I currently have the cutoff at 81k (73k when we got Tuesday's update) and I'm probably well overestimating Diet Pepsi too, I have it on 82.5k at 94. Because 360 had a big drop-off on the audio streaming chart after the first week I just assumed it was tanking and gave it low sales when it's probably not the case at all.

Tbf it's very fine margins at the bottom with a lot of songs doing ~8k a week, but that's a couple of thousand higher than I have Diet Pepsi which can make all the difference.

I think 360's sales have been propped up a bit from the freefall that you've estimated by the Grammy's and the Brits, I'm sure it will linger for a while, but I wouldn't expect either it or Apple to hang around until the end of the year.

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“Diet Pepsi” is gone for sure - fell 89-99 last week. “360” fell 91-98 last week so gasman’s right on that, though guess it will have rallied now. No other obvious dropouts for this week but “Another Love” looking a bit shaky (94-97). “Naïve” is doing fine (non mover at #87).

3 hours ago, Julian_ said:

“Diet Pepsi” is gone for sure - fell 89-99 last week. “360” fell 91-98 last week so gasman’s right on that, though guess it will have rallied now. No other obvious dropouts for this week but “Another Love” looking a bit shaky (94-97). “Naïve” is doing fine (non mover at #87).

oh wow, I've made a bit of a mess of some of the bottom of the chart in that case - I really imagined that 360 was still doing similar numbers to when it dropped out on Spotify at the end of last year but was still managing 8/8.5k a week.

48 minutes ago, Julian_ said:

I don’t envy you doing it without the actual chart - you guys do a great job!

I enjoy the challenge and at least I get the information of what is entering and leaving each week.

Would never have predicted The Chain for example was in without that information

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Week 10:

1

1

Lola Young

Messy

480,000

660,000

2

2

Rosé and Bruno Mars

APT.

452,000

810,000

3

3

Gracie Abrams

That's So True

418,000

850,000

4

4

Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars

Die With A Smile

377,000

1,010,000

5

5

Chrystal

The Days

299,000

460,000

6

7

Billie Eilish

Birds Of A Feather

279,000

1,500,000

7

6

Gigi Perez

Sailor Song

279,000

880,000

8

8

Chappell Roan

Good Luck, Babe!

277,000

1,480,000

9

10

Benson Boone

Beautiful Things

241,000

2,030,000

10

9

Sabrina Carpenter

Espresso

241,000

1,990,000

11

11

Sabrina Carpenter

Taste

236,000

1,030,000

12

12

Teddy Swims

Lose Control

236,000

2,070,000

13

13

Chappell Roan

Pink Pony Club

232,000

680,000

14

14

Kendrick Lamar

Not Like Us

221,000

840,000

15

15

Teddy Swims

The Door

207,000

870,000

16

16

Teddy Swims

Bad Dreams

202,000

440,000

17

18

Shaboozey

A Bar Song (Tipsy)

195,000

1,530,000

18

17

Hozier

Too Sweet

194,000

1,660,000

19

22

Myles Smith

Nice To Meet You

188,000

300,000

20

20

Sabrina Carpenter

Please Please Please

187,000

1,330,000

21

21

Myles Smith

Stargazing

187,000

1,200,000

22

19

Noah Kahan

Stick Season

186,000

2,710,000

23

23

Gracie Abrams

I Love You, I'm Sorry

178,000

660,000

24

24

The Weeknd and Playboi Carti

Timeless

176,000

400,000

25

26

Kendrick Lamar & Sza

Luther

175,000

270,000

26

25

Sabrina Carpenter

Bed Chem

171,000

560,000

27

28

Sonny Fodera, Jazzy & D.O.D.

Somedays

170,000

640,000

28

27

Jimin

Who

170,000

440,000

29

29

Chappell Roan

Hot To Go!

167,000

830,000

30

30

Billie Eilish

Wildflower

158,000

670,000

31

32

Doechii

Denial Is A River

153,000

32

33

Sam Fender

People Watching

152,000

33

39

Lady Gaga

Abracadabra

147,000

34

31

Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande

Defying Gravity

147,000

270,000

35

37

Kendrick Lamar & Sza

All The Stars

147,000

2,060,000

36

34

Bl3ss & CamrinWatsin featuring BbyClose

Kisses

142,000

800,000

37

41

Tate McRae

Sports Car

142,000

38

36

The Killers

Mr Brightside

141,000

6,200,000

39

35

Pawsa and The Adventures Of Stevie V

Dirty Cash (Money Talks)

140,000

40

38

Post Malone featuring Morgan Wallen

I Had Some Help

139,000

1,050,000

57

84

Alex Warren

Ordinary

106,000

61

67

Alex Warren

Burning Down

99,000

67

72

Tate McRae

It's OK I'm OK

97,000

280,000

79

89

Sam Fender

Arm's Length

90,000

84

86

Disturbed

The Sound Of Silence

87,000

1,700,000

“Unwritten” back replacing “Diet Pepsi” - the 6th week in a row there’s been 1 re-entry.

(Note I made a mistake with last week’s position for “Headlock”, now fixed.)

Interesting to see a big difference at the top of this chart to the Spotify YTD, where That's So True is still above Messy and as of this week is charting above it daily again:

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