1 hour ago, Spiceboy said:

Lol you really are either the master of spin Liam... so someone else who has lived in experience first hand should believe that video of someone who is just attacking for clicks and views? My uncle is in the army and rules are still a huge focus for them, to the point they have their own military jail and dish out punishments unlike ones our civilians endure, including having to stand holding two full pails of water until you are dismissed, unable to lower your arms no matter how much it hurts... but yeah, because that idiot says the army has gone soft we will all believe him.

Same for the constant dismissal of Seudehead's point that Shingler deliberately broke the rules by going as part of the Reform party, he should not be allowed to now be independent. You can guarantee that if it were a Labour councilor, you'd be calling for them to step down or be booted.

Suede’s point was just confused based off misinformation he saw which was this

Obviously that made up information was based off an FB post by someone who didn’t know the diff rules between councillors and MP’s. As far as the election eligibility you can be in the armed forces and run. Thats just a fact. So it’s fine.

If the army wants impartiality then that’s a separate issue it’s got nothing to do with eligibility. I have very close and recent experience the army. It’s a very different place to the 60’s or 70’s. There are constant mental health checks. There is access to professionals. It’s a much more chilled atmosphere. I’m almost certain that guy would have been just told of the rules then he would have been oh I had no idea I’ll correct it and that’s it. That’s the culture now. Do you want me to lie? Should I pretend Suede was right and there is going to be a by-election in his seat? Should I pretend the army has the same disciplinary procedures as when Silas was born? There’s no spin at all.

The Newark one is interesting, lots of Reform Bot replies saying illness yet never stated anywhere official, just for personal reasons and wants to continue his career. Still, another election for officers to spend their time organising, another 6-8,000 poll cards and postal votes to be printed and posted, venues to be booked and poll clerks, presiding officers, verifiers/counters etc. to pay for a week after being run. The exact type of public sector waste they campaigned on to say they'd stop and be different to.

If a party is attracting new fresh non political people I guess there will be mistakes made on what such a role entails, the demands etc whether it pays enough or can be combined with the current job. If we want a more inclusive bunch of councillors then we have to accept these things will happen.I don’t think politics should be restricted to perfectionists or people who triple check their working out

1 hour ago, Liam S said:

If a party is attracting new fresh non political people I guess there will be mistakes made on what such a role entails, the demands etc whether it pays enough or can be combined with the current job. If we want a more inclusive bunch of councillors then we have to accept these things will happen.I don’t think politics should be restricted to perfectionists or people who triple check their working out

Isn't the point though, and why so many people think Reform are shite. No offence but that's a lousy excuse. If you apply for a role then don't understand what it actually entails, then you're the idiot. Especially with public sector work. You even have AI these days who can do the work for you. Reform attracts melts and you seriously want people with no political experience running the country? BARF. First person to criticism public waste, but if a Reform MP or councillor forgets to do something, we should try and be more inclusive, brilliant, hang this in the Louve.

26 minutes ago, Rooney said:

Isn't the point though, and why so many people think Reform are shite. No offence but that's a lousy excuse. If you apply for a role then don't understand what it actually entails, then you're the idiot. Especially with public sector work. You even have AI these days who can do the work for you. Reform attracts melts and you seriously want people with no political experience running the country? BARF. First person to criticism public waste, but if a Reform MP or councillor forgets to do something, we should try and be more inclusive, brilliant, hang this in the Louve.

If people don’t like reform due to Farage Tice etc that makes sense. The rest just seems like classism when it targets voters. You’ll see quickly how the poorest and most vulnerable become the dumbest and most uneducated depending on who they’re voting for.

Clearly reform is attracting the poorest atm and maybe you’ll get more instances of stuff like that at this level. No big deal really. The Tories who this councillor beat had many by elections due to MP’s resigning and a Labour MP just created one by assaulting a constituent. These things happen. Yeah I’d prefer people with no political experience. Can’t stand people in politics their whole life. Their worldview becomes warped.

Edited May 9May 9 by Liam S

34 minutes ago, Liam S said:

If people don’t like reform due to Farage Tice etc that makes sense. The rest just seems like classism when it targets voters. You’ll see quickly how the poorest and most vulnerable become the dumbest and most uneducated depending on who they’re voting for.

Clearly reform is attracting the poorest atm and maybe you’ll get more instances of stuff like that at this level. No big deal really. The Tories who this councillor beat had many by elections due to MP’s resigning and a Labour MP just created one by assaulting a constituent. These things happen. Yeah I’d prefer people with no political experience. Can’t stand people in politics their whole life. Their worldview becomes warped.

People don't like Reform because they're racists and are stupid. Of course they attract poorer people - for starters their target areas are areas of deprivation and poverty. This idea that immigration is why places are shite, which is not the entire problem. It's easy to blame. As I have explained many times, Reform want to increase the personal tax allowance to £20k but have no idea how they will pay for it. Also completely oblivious to the fact everyone who has a personal tax free allowance will also benefit, so everything will go up! Genius. Reform are part of the establishment, if you can't see this for your own eyes then more the fool you. All they're going to do is make you poorer but think you're richer.

You know lots of people don't actually go in to politics their whole life, don't you? I think you'll find actually the best politicans are those who have made their way up the ranks from Councillor to MP and actually understand the way the world works. Most politicans come off from well educated background and they go in the politics to make themselves richer or because are narcasstic in their personalities and crave power. Let's have a look at the 5 Reform MPs

Farage - Trader/Banker

Tice - Businessman & property developer

Anderson - Coal Miner who bounces between parties for whatever serves his own personal grease poll

Lowe (OK not a reform MP anyone) - Billionaire who owned a football club

McMurdoh - Banker

So 80% of Reform MPs 2024 all part of the 1%, all love making money and somehow they have an informed interest in the best beliefs of the country. Honestly, open your eyes. Reform are part of the establishment and you and millions of others are completely brainwashed. They do not care about you.

9 hours ago, Liam S said:

Suede’s point was just confused based off misinformation he saw which was this

Obviously that made up information was based off an FB post by someone who didn’t know the diff rules between councillors and MP’s. As far as the election eligibility you can be in the armed forces and run. Thats just a fact. So it’s fine.

If the army wants impartiality then that’s a separate issue it’s got nothing to do with eligibility. I have very close and recent experience the army. It’s a very different place to the 60’s or 70’s. There are constant mental health checks. There is access to professionals. It’s a much more chilled atmosphere. I’m almost certain that guy would have been just told of the rules then he would have been oh I had no idea I’ll correct it and that’s it. That’s the culture now. Do you want me to lie? Should I pretend Suede was right and there is going to be a by-election in his seat? Should I pretend the army has the same disciplinary procedures as when Silas was born? There’s no spin at all.

Bitch how old do you think I am????

The military of today is not that different to that of the 90s. I still have family that serve.

Do I have to make a manosphere youtube video for you to understand?

3 hours ago, Rooney said:

People don't like Reform because they're racists and are stupid. Of course they attract poorer people - for starters their target areas are areas of deprivation and poverty. This idea that immigration is why places are shite, which is not the entire problem. It's easy to blame. As I have explained many times, Reform want to increase the personal tax allowance to £20k but have no idea how they will pay for it. Also completely oblivious to the fact everyone who has a personal tax free allowance will also benefit, so everything will go up! Genius. Reform are part of the establishment, if you can't see this for your own eyes then more the fool you. All they're going to do is make you poorer but think you're richer.

You know lots of people don't actually go in to politics their whole life, don't you? I think you'll find actually the best politicans are those who have made their way up the ranks from Councillor to MP and actually understand the way the world works. Most politicans come off from well educated background and they go in the politics to make themselves richer or because are narcasstic in their personalities and crave power. Let's have a look at the 5 Reform MPs

Farage - Trader/Banker

Tice - Businessman & property developer

Anderson - Coal Miner who bounces between parties for whatever serves his own personal grease poll

Lowe (OK not a reform MP anyone) - Billionaire who owned a football club

McMurdoh - Banker

So 80% of Reform MPs 2024 all part of the 1%, all love making money and somehow they have an informed interest in the best beliefs of the country. Honestly, open your eyes. Reform are part of the establishment and you and millions of others are completely brainwashed. They do not care about you.

You don’t get the reason reform are doing well at all which I knew would happen as soon as Starmer showed he wasn’t the right person. You had people saying their ceiling was 20%. It just shows some people have no foresight or intuition. Everything has and is already going up. Sure their MPs are very successful people should they be unsuccessful clowns from think tanks wrong about everything then parachuted into safe seats? The 20k allowance is just talk. Nobody thinks it’s going to happen

20 minutes ago, Liam S said:

You don’t get the reason reform are doing well at all which I knew would happen as soon as Starmer showed he wasn’t the right person. You had people saying their ceiling was 20%. It just shows some people have no foresight or intuition. Everything has and is already going up. Sure their MPs are very successful people should they be unsuccessful clowns from think tanks wrong about everything then parachuted into safe seats? The 20k allowance is just talk. Nobody thinks it’s going to happen

What you don't understand is is Reform got in to power and things did not improve within 10 months, people would then turn on them too. It's hard to be popular when the country is skint and absolutely nothing Reform is proposing is going to make anyone except the people who bankroll Reform better off. The government can't control the price of chocolate and coffee going up. Reform can't stop that, infact judging from their policies so far they will make things worse. Reform have a good vote share at the moment, but it's easy for them, much like it was easy for Labour. The Tories are irrelevant and a governing Government can always lose popularity. In a generel election, people will vote for the least worst option. The point is a lot of Reform's MPs all come from money. I'm sure the likes of Aaron Banks when he gets parachuted in to a safe seat are gonna be thrilled to helping Grimsby. Anyone who votes Reform is a useful idiot for these people. Sure you can level that to all the Parties to some degree, but if you really think Reform give a shite about helping poor people you are deluded.

11 hours ago, Silas said:

Bitch how old do you think I am????

I'm dying 🤣😂

21 hours ago, Liam S said:

Suede’s point was just confused based off misinformation he saw which was this

Obviously that made up information was based off an FB post by someone who didn’t know the diff rules between councillors and MP’s. As far as the election eligibility you can be in the armed forces and run. Thats just a fact. So it’s fine.

If the army wants impartiality then that’s a separate issue it’s got nothing to do with eligibility. I have very close and recent experience the army. It’s a very different place to the 60’s or 70’s. There are constant mental health checks. There is access to professionals. It’s a much more chilled atmosphere. I’m almost certain that guy would have been just told of the rules then he would have been oh I had no idea I’ll correct it and that’s it. That’s the culture now. Do you want me to lie? Should I pretend Suede was right and there is going to be a by-election in his seat? Should I pretend the army has the same disciplinary procedures as when Silas was born? There’s no spin at all.

I also have close connections with the army, as I mentioned I have family in it, my uncle being quite high up, I also have family in the navy and RAF, one of my family members actually brought Diana's coffin home from France in the 90s.

Just because there is a focus on mental health (which there is) doesn't mean the army is "soft." The same rules apply and they still have a very strict regard for rules. You're basically accusing me of lying with your point btw... 🫠

1 hour ago, Spiceboy said:

I also have close connections with the army, as I mentioned I have family in it, my uncle being quite high up, I also have family in the navy and RAF, one of my family members actually brought Diana's coffin home from France in the 90s.

Just because there is a focus on mental health (which there is) doesn't mean the army is "soft." The same rules apply and they still have a very strict regard for rules. You're basically accusing me of lying with your point btw... 🫠

You can’t shout at recruits.

The standards are lower.

The requirements are easier.

They’re scared to lose numbers so tolerate more.

That’s soft on many eyes even if not yours.

As for the original point Suede was coming from the angle this guy would be dismissed for a minor mistake. It’s not remotely like that. Like I’m saying officers now are mostly chilled and relaxed. Respect is a big thing but now it works both ways. It’s a different vibe. If you guys think it’s the same as the 60’s or 90’s okay great I’m just saying the reality I know

1 hour ago, Liam S said:

You can’t shout at recruits.

The standards are lower.

The requirements are easier.

They’re scared to lose numbers so tolerate more.

That’s soft on many eyes even if not yours.

As for the original point Suede was coming from the angle this guy would be dismissed for a minor mistake. It’s not remotely like that. Like I’m saying officers now are mostly chilled and relaxed. Respect is a big thing but now it works both ways. It’s a different vibe. If you guys think it’s the same as the 60’s or 90’s okay great I’m just saying the reality I know

How is it a minor mistake? It shouldn't be too difficult to work out that a serving member of the armed forces is probably not able to stand for election under a party banner.

19 minutes ago, Suedehead2 said:

How is it a minor mistake? It shouldn't be too difficult to work out that a serving member of the armed forces is probably not able to stand for election under a party banner.

If you look at all info about who can stand there is nothing that prevents armed forces from standing as a councillor. So if he looked at that I assume he thought he could. Seems like an easy mistake to make

Edited May 10May 10 by Liam S

2 hours ago, Liam S said:

If you look at all info about who can stand there is nothing that prevents armed forces from standing as a councillor. So if he looked at that I assume he thought he could. Seems like an easy mistake to make

Don't you think it is a reasonable rule for members of the armed services to be barred from representing a political party? This numpty should also have realised that, and checked with someone.

Appears to be another one down https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25154349.durham-reform-uk-benfieldside-councillor-andrew-kilburn-resigns/

He had the choice to resign from the council or resign as a councillor and he chose as a councillor which he just won

This is the standard of the party, make no mistake.

They do not have any political competence in any way or any practical solutions to anything, it is pure clickbait populism and scapegoating, God help us all if they actually get real governing power x

Professionally vetted my ass! Sooner they are given the boot, the better. Now if only there was a way to stop Farage from monetary profiting from all this bullshit too, the only reason he is doing any of this.

Unsurprisingly it appears Farage was throwing someone else under the bus for his own benefit rather than anything much to his claims https://news.sky.com/story/ex-reform-mp-rupert-lowe-will-not-be-charged-over-alleged-verbal-threats-13367615

There was a Commons statement today on the UK-EU dela negotiated by Starmer. Farage wasn't there; he was on holiday. This, of course, is the same Farage as the one who was on the EU Fisheries Committee when he was an MEP. The committee held 42 meetings in that time. Farage attended one. I have finally discovered something Farage is good at - he makes Johnson appear hard-working.