What about the big industry puppet Elton John who had the audacity to ring his friend Bernie Taupin and ask him to rewrite Candle In The Wind, shame on Elton for not sitting down and re-writing it himself and then he had the cheek to sing it and make it the biggest selling song of all time, I mean Elton you are such a puppet.

Elvis Presley was the biggest puppet of them all. Never wrote any of his songs. All he did was shake his hips

27 minutes ago, Adelita said:

Out of her 20 biggest hits in the UK, she only wrote one: Love at First Sight... That means 19 of her 20 biggest hits were written and produced by other people... Sorry, but I don't call someone who doesn't immerse themselves in their own art an artist, I call that a fraud.

Eee been a while since I’ve seen such trolling!

She co-wrote Wow too from this 7 year old list. She had big sales in her early career while starting off and gradually, in her own words, became ‘part of her own product’.

Ask any kylie fan what their top 20 best songs are & there would be many more co-writes in there. Record companies generally decided 1st singles from an album & 1st singles usually got the biggest push.

I really don’t know why I’m bothering to write this. Sabrina didn’t write much of her debut, will she be around having number ones in 37 years? Time will tell.

I like the song . I don’t give a fig who wrote it

I personally would not have wanted to have seen the Pete Waterman versions of Better The Devil You Know or Especially For You, I don't think Stock, Aitken And Waterman singing Especially For You to each other would have had quite the same impact as Kylie and Jason.

I think Kylie is a brilliant businesswoman and has incredible tenacity as well - all these things do matter. There’s a reason thousands like her have had success for a year or two and then disappeared.

9 minutes ago, steveh31 said:

I personally would not have wanted to have seen the Pete Waterman versions of Better The Devil You Know or Especially For You, I don't think Stock, Aitken And Waterman singing Especially For You to each other would have had quite the same impact as Kylie and Jason.

Now I kind of want to see it...

Well it's confirmed from this thread. what i already knew , Taylor swift is officially the greatest artist of all time

. She's talented

. She's got the locks

. She absolutely writes her own music

. She not a puppet, she a mastermind 🤭

You can't be scammed by presence and an IT factor, it's either there or it's not - the public aren't endorsing in a scam for 5 decades, they quite simply don't have the time for that. It's the reason the likes of Ava Max, Meghan Trainor etc have faded away after a short burst of momentum because they don't quite possess that factor.

The reality is, what makes someone a star to the wider world isn't what is written in their songwriting credits because I highly doubt 99.9% of people know who writes what. A musician can be many different things - they CAN be a songwriter, they CAN be a superb singer, they CAN be a superb dancer. There's no pre-written formula for what makes someone a star but it's undeniable that Kylie Minogue has that and it's not something you can be scammed into feeling. An artist makes you feel something doing whatever they want with their skill or their gift and the fact that Kylie Minogue has managed to maintain such a huge following after almost 40 years of releasing music is an obvious testament to the fact that she makes people feel something. When I saw her live this year, we were seated but stood up the whole time and left the show in the best mood - she exemplifies joy and that feeling of "oh, I just want to dance and forget about everything", she's like if glitter was a person. If a performer of somebody elses writing has the ability to make others FEEL, then she's doing the right job.

It's the same for models - you can't say a model isn't talented because somebody designed the clothes that they're wearing down the catwalk. Their job is to sell you the garment and make you believe that what they're wearing is something that you need on your own body. Kylie Minogue is the model in this instance - what she did in the studio is none of my business but does her voice/her delivery/her performance of the songs make me want to indulge in it? Absolutely.

Art isn't to be policed by creating parameters of what should and shouldn't make someone a star. Enjoy your art your way and let other people enjoy it theirs.

3 hours ago, Adelita said:

In short: she was just a pretty face.

It's more than enough for pop singer.

I don’t think any artist who has been around for nearly 40 years is ever going to have their top 20 best selling singles as particularly representative of their ‘best’ work.

Give me Slow, Dancing, In Your Eyes, In My Arms, Your Disco Needs You or the Impossible Princess album over half of that top 20 list any day. It’s hardly Kylie’s fault that these excellent songs she has co-written didn’t end up among her top biggest sellers.

Not that it matters anyway - I agree with the other points in this thread. Reducing anybody to a pretty face is completely insulting, both of the artist and their fans.

Without a strong connection to an audience nobody would last half that long and Kylie has one of the biggest fanbases in this country because she has worked hard to achieve it and is a joy of a personality and a ray of sunshine in an often very serious music industry. A constant and comforting presence who has personally brought me a great deal of joy for as long as I’ve been listening to music. Long may her eternal relevance continue!

9 hours ago, GreyAsh said:

What even IS an ‘industry plant’???

Paul McCartney, Kylie Minogue, Sabrina Carpenter, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, U2, Alex Warren, Tate McRae, Kelly Clarkson, Justin Bieber, Chris Brown, Bryan Adams, Ed Sheeran, Boyz II Men, Bob Dylan, Maroon 5, John Denver, Bruce Springsteen and every K-Pop and country act.

If I remember any others, I'll let you know.

1 minute ago, Adelita said:

Paul McCartney, Kylie Minogue, Sabrina Carpenter, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, U2, Alex Warren, Tate McRae, Kelly Clarkson, Justin Bieber, Chris Brown, Bryan Adams, Ed Sheeran, Boyz II Men, Bob Dylan, Maroon 5, John Denver, Bruce Springsteen and every K-Pop and country act.

If I remember any others, I'll let you know.

Please define what makes someone an industry plant I need to understand this logic

9 hours ago, Mr. C. Joel said:

Industry plants aren't a thing🤣

Seriously if every label knew the formula to make someone a success they'd all be planting artists in the industry.

For every Sabrina there's 200 other artists signed that sadly end up being dropped or never get to release records!!

Look at Raye....She was relatively unknown to the wider public (People knew the songs but didn't really know the artist behind them) She goes on socials calls a label out, does it her way Escapism blows up and now she's a global superstar (Deservedly so) if that had happened overnight she would also be labelled a 'Industry plant'

Ridiculous!

She wouldn't, because she clearly knows how to sing, her success is well-deserved, unlike the acts I've already mentioned, who are mediocre at almost everything and somehow found success.

1 minute ago, Adelita said:

She wouldn't, because she clearly knows how to sing, her success is well-deserved, unlike the acts I've already mentioned, who are mediocre at almost everything and somehow found success.

You're trying to state your opinion as fact??? Kylie is FAR from Mediocre. I think the proof of that is Padam Padam which was an organic hit (How many artists can do that 3 decades on?)

Also, your supposed industry plants don't make any sense? Why Is Katy Perry / Sabrina / Tate etc an Industry Plant but Gaga isn't (Love Gaga obviously) but you're clearly naming artists YOU think aren't talented.

Edited Saturday at 18:174 days by Mr. C. Joel

19 minutes ago, Adelita said:

Paul McCartney, Kylie Minogue, Sabrina Carpenter, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, U2, Alex Warren, Tate McRae, Kelly Clarkson, Justin Bieber, Chris Brown, Bryan Adams, Ed Sheeran, Boyz II Men, Bob Dylan, Maroon 5, John Denver, Bruce Springsteen and every K-Pop and country act.

If I remember any others, I'll let you know.

WTF John Denver, a man who was such an industry plant he only ever managed one UK hit, wow what a plant he was for the UK music industry and his only hit here was one he wrote himself.

Edited Saturday at 18:224 days by steveh31

8 hours ago, steveh31 said:

I have never got this "they don't write their own songs" put down, I might be an amazing song-writer but can't sing a note does that mean no one ever hears my brilliant songs?

This put down has always been ridiculous what if you can sing amazingly well but have no idea how to write a song so are you saying no singer should ever sing a song they haven't written?

As I said, I would overlook her for not writing her biggest hits if she were some Whitney Houston-kinda singer, a powerful voice the world will never hear again... but everyone knows Kylie has never been recognized as a good singer, so, she's neither a good singer nor did she write her biggest hits, like, there's nothing to dispute. And let's not disrespect songwriters in this house, because without them, Kylie wouldn't even have a career.

22 minutes ago, Adelita said:

Paul McCartney, Kylie Minogue, Sabrina Carpenter, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, U2, Alex Warren, Tate McRae, Kelly Clarkson, Justin Bieber, Chris Brown, Bryan Adams, Ed Sheeran, Boyz II Men, Bob Dylan, Maroon 5, John Denver, Bruce Springsteen and every K-Pop and country act.

If I remember any others, I'll let you know.

This has to be pure trolling

1 minute ago, Adelita said:

As I said, I would overlook her for not writing her biggest hits if she were some Whitney Houston-kinda singer, a powerful voice the world will never hear again... but everyone knows Kylie has never been recognized as a good singer, so, she's neither a good singer nor did she write her biggest hits, like, there's nothing to dispute. And let's not disrespect songwriters in this house, because without them, Kylie wouldn't even have a career.

WTF you now saying we are disrepecting song writers when you just humiliated every song writer who cannot sing, according to you only singers should sing their own songs so who is disrespecting songwriters? You are you muppet.

8 hours ago, Eric_Blob said:

I'm a but terrified to say this, but you brought up Sabrina Carpenter, and people getting dropped.

How in Earth did Sabrina never get dropped? She had flop after flop for what seemed like an eternity. And she was actually getting promoted well the entire time (I follow the US radio charts and she had amongst the worst CHR/Top 40 airplay-to-streaming ratios I've ever seen. That obviously changed in the past 24 months or so, but I mean before then). Other artists flop once or twice and get dropped or at best the label decides not to drop them but invests the minimal money and promotion into them.

Why did Sabrina not get this treatment? Is it because she was a child TV star so her label thought it was worth persevering with her because she was already famous? That's the only reason I can think of.

Sabrina only blew up after opening for Taylor Swift's tour. Swifties "adopted" her and both (and Tate McRae and so many others female singers) also made a career talking about famous exes or are nepobabies like Gracie Abrams, another industry plant.