I think this topic is only going to get louder, we've already got a song in the top three based on an AI creation so it surely won't be long before one hits No.1. I wonder how long before an entirely AI created and recorded track does really well. Obviously there was that Stromae 'cover' that charted, but it didn't massively take off here. AI songs have done well in other countries, there's one that would have got to No.1 in Sweden a few months ago but the charts compiler there banned it from charting.

Anyway, this major step with Suno and record labels, as reported in Music Week today, feels like it could have a giant impact going forward. I'm surprised labels are playing ball with Suno, it still feels to me like it is going to damage them in the long run if AI music becomes more prevalent, surely, even if they and their artists are getting some sort of cut?

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I suppose it's a good thing that Suno is trying to be more ethical, but to what ends? Surely all creativity is lost. The quote from the CEO, “We started Suno because we believed more people should be able to experience the joy of making music,” is so curious to me, as you are not actually making music, you are just feeding prompts? It can be fun for a laugh, but when real artists are using it and releasing music made with prompts, I question the joy in that, for them and consumers.

13 minutes ago, gooddelta said:

Anyway, this major step with Suno and record labels, as reported in Music Week today, feels like it could have a giant impact going forward. I'm surprised labels are playing ball with Suno, it still feels to me like it is going to damage them in the long run if AI music becomes more prevalent, surely, even if they and their artists are getting some sort of cut?

I'm not surprised at all by labels wanting in on AI, they're already making so much from old music that it wouldn't matter to them if their new AI products are not well-received. Unless people start boycotting labels for their AI endorsements and stop streaming old songs released by them I can't see how they would see any financial drawbacks from these AI partnerships. Really saddening that they are now on board with it all but again I'm not surprised.

17 minutes ago, gooddelta said:

Anyway, this major step with Suno and record labels, as reported in Music Week today, feels like it could have a giant impact going forward. I'm surprised labels are playing ball with Suno, it still feels to me like it is going to damage them in the long run if AI music becomes more prevalent, surely, even if they and their artists are getting some sort of cut?

money. that's why labels (Warner Music Group at least) are playing ball. AI music could make them massive amounts of money IF the general public wanted it (thankfully they don't seem to - for now at least) given it would cost effectively nothing and you'd have an 'artist' [citation needed] who would never complain, be able make infinite amounts of music and do whatever the label wanted whenever they want it.

True, I guess labels are still reeling from the early 00s when they failed to react quickly enough to the threat of downloads and Napster and Limewire etc hurt them so much, so they want to be on the front foot with AI, whatever that looks like. Creativity and originality be damned!

whats taking me tf out is that one is challenging for no.1 technically

17 minutes ago, Jay79x said:

whats taking me tf out is that one is challenging for no.1 technically

much as I hate HugeL, it could always be worse - there was that one far-right extremist xenophobic AI track that nearly made #1 in the Netherlands last year until it got removed from DSPs and a counter-campaign blocked it from #1 there.

(here's more info if you're curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wij_zeggen_nee,_nee,_nee,_tegen_een_AZC)

Edited Wednesday at 10:391 day by maggotsforbrains

5 minutes ago, maggotsforbrains said:

much as I hate HugeL, it could always be worse - there was that one far-right extremist xenophobic AI track that nearly made #1 in the Netherlands last year until it got removed from DSPs and a counter-campaign blocked it from #1 there.

(here's more info if you're curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wij_zeggen_nee,_nee,_nee,_tegen_een_AZC)

AI is such a dream for people making political points musically it seems. Previously political acts had to write their own lyrics and tune (or rip off somebody else's tune), get a session singer to do it, or sing it themselves badly, pay for production and mastering etc. This all cost them $$$, and ultimately whoever is motivated to buy these things anyway isn't buying it to listen to the song itself, so will buy it if it's AI or not. I fully expect to see loads of Suno political songs coming around. Maybe some in time for a Christmas No.1 download campaign.

6 minutes ago, gooddelta said:

AI is such a dream for people making political points musically it seems. Previously political acts had to write their own lyrics and tune (or rip off somebody else's tune), get a session singer to do it, or sing it themselves badly, pay for production and mastering etc. This all cost them $$$, and ultimately whoever is motivated to buy these things anyway isn't buying it to listen to the song itself, so will buy it if it's AI or not. I fully expect to see loads of Suno political songs coming around. Maybe some in time for a Christmas No.1 download campaign.

Looking at the UK sales chart over the past year and a half or so reveals this has already been happening for a while... thank goodness streaming counts for the charts!

17 minutes ago, Jay79x said:

whats taking me tf out is that one is challenging for no.1 technically

I don't think it's quite so bad in the sense that the Imael Angel person did actually write the lyrics, they just fed it through an AI thing (maybe because they can't actually sing or whatever?) but it's been re-vocalled anyway, so it's not completely egregious in the way 'I Run' was. But still, that doesn't take away from what a worrying precedent this whole thing sets.

I still see so many people using the Puerto Rico song on social media stories etc 😣

1 minute ago, Jessie Where said:

I don't think it's quite so bad in the sense that the Imael Angel person did actually write the lyrics, they just fed it through an AI thing (maybe because they can't actually sing or whatever?) but it's been re-vocalled anyway, so it's not completely egregious in the way 'I Run' was. But still, that doesn't take away from what a worrying precedent this whole thing sets.

I still see so many people using the Puerto Rico song on social media stories etc 😣

i say this too, but genuine question. If they still do it, where do we draw the line?

I am genuinely yet to hear any song that actually sounds good at all that uses AI or has had some form of AI influence - I Run and Movin To The Sun are horrendous and sound so cheap/tacky.

13 minutes ago, Jessie Where said:

I don't think it's quite so bad in the sense that the Imael Angel person did actually write the lyrics, they just fed it through an AI thing (maybe because they can't actually sing or whatever?) but it's been re-vocalled anyway.

is this person even a musician at all? Seems to be first and foremost a Reiki master and is also listed as a "Deep House Producer" but have they actually made any of their music themselves. Seems so crazy that someone who fed some words into Suno and came out with a house track is top three in the chart. Can't wait to see them perfom the track live...

31 minutes ago, gooddelta said:

is this person even a musician at all? Seems to be first and foremost a Reiki master and is also listed as a "Deep House Producer" but have they actually made any of their music themselves. Seems so crazy that someone who fed some words into Suno and came out with a house track is top three in the chart. Can't wait to see them perfom the track live...

if you want an idea of how dead an AI "song" would be when performed live, look up clips of Fenix Flexin performing his Sonauto-generated hit RUBBERZ (which made it to #58 on the Hot 100 and #90 over here) - not going to link it directly here but it looks like the most disinterested miming imaginable!

I think (well more like hope and pray) that more chart companies will follow Australia's footsteps and ban it completely.

Edited Wednesday at 12:361 day by C.O.

28 minutes ago, C.O. said:

I think (well more like hope and pray) that more chart companies will follow Australia's footsteps and ban it completely.

Luminate (Billboard's data supplier) and the IFPI put out a statement two weeks ago saying that they were going to start labelling AI-generated tracks as such, however such a change has yet to occur and AI-generated tracks are still charting across Billboard charts at the minute.

1 minute ago, maggotsforbrains said:

Luminate (Billboard's data supplier) and the IFPI put out a statement two weeks ago saying that they were going to start labelling AI-generated tracks as such, however such a change has yet to occur and AI-generated tracks are still charting across Billboard charts at the minute.

Surely they have an AI system that can automate this process??

3 hours ago, Jack said:

I am genuinely yet to hear any song that actually sounds good at all that uses AI or has had some form of AI influence - I Run and Movin To The Sun are horrendous and sound so cheap/tacky.

There's a few on Tiktok about dogs and also some with a 90s Europop sound that accompany landscape videos in Europe.

Edited Wednesday at 14:471 day by TheSnake

1 hour ago, Jessie Where said:

Surely they have an AI system that can automate this process??

given they've been >6 hours late publishing their charts the last few weeks, I'd be inclined to think Billboard's systems probably aren't that advanced tbh 🤣

I just HATE generative AI with a passion. It has made people so lazy and uninspiring. Not to mention the environmental damage that it causes (the constant usage of clean drinking water to cool its systems, which then evaporates).

3 minutes ago, DanielCarey said:

I just HATE generative AI with a passion. It has made people so lazy and uninspiring. Not to mention the environmental damage that it causes (the constant usage of clean drinking water to cool its systems, which then evaporates).

It's so frustrating that in the middle of a drought hosepipes were banned but none of these awful generative AI platforms were... If they insist on keeping it around they need to at least charge people to use it...