Thought Perspectives was about debate though. Or is it only allowed so long as it agrees with your views? Aren't I entitled to my opinions too on this dispute? Fair enough, disagree with my post but without inane name calling. I left that behind in the playground.

 

to be fair chris, your post DID come across as scott says, like "some sort of shock" tactic, that wasnt really debate was it?

 

NO ONE disagrees with scott as much as i have been doing recently, im still here :).

Getting sick of the f***ers :manson: :manson:

 

Whatever legitimate points they have over pay or whatever this is not the way to go about it and turns the public and business against their cause

 

All this will do is benefit more private mail companies particularly in the business sector and will lead to loads of posties losing their jobs and when that happens it will be hard to find any sympathy

 

We all want pay rises posties are no different but this ain't the way to achieve it

 

Well done Postman Prat

 

This post sums it up for me.

 

I know three people who work for the Postal Service and all three of them are P***ed off with the situation.

 

From what they have told me the Unions & Management appear to have little respect for each other, so they are playing a game of brinkmanship at the expense of the poor old employees.

 

There are many people in the Private Sector (myself included) who have had the goalposts moved to the negative with regards their Pensions contributions, so why should the Postal Workers be a special case.

 

This is one thing which I do blame the Labour Government for caving into to the Civil Services with regards Pension Contributions. That smacked of the 1979 Winter of Discontent, and we know what happened come that May.....

 

There will always be a conflict between the Union powers and the greedy Fat Cat management structure. Certainly in my lifetime, which ever one of those two factions that end up with the upper-hand will lose the sympathy of the Great British public and will end up a major factor on which party (Labour or Conservatives) wins the next election.

 

But in any form of business, if you don't try to evolve or progress then you risk becoming extinct as a business, so the best way forward is always for a Progressive Union & Management structure with mutual respect, good communication and the same objectives & goals.

There are many people in the Private Sector (myself included) who have had the goalposts moved to the negative with regards their Pensions contributions, so why should the Postal Workers be a special case.

 

Two wrongs dont make a right though do they mate...? Sounds to me like you lot shoulda grown a pair and actually protested your case as well like folks in the Public sector are instead of just taking it and accepting the unnacceptable. Gordon Brown really left people in company pension schemes right in it if you ask me....

 

And I dont call shedding 40.000 staff as "evolving" the business... The facts are that since this tinkering with the Postal Servince began with the whole "selling off" bits and pieces here and there, cutting corners with training, hiring clueless temps, etc, that things have been getting steadily worse both for the staff and the customer, and no one is gonna convince me that this wont effect the delivery and driving staff adversely. and thus create an even poorer service for the customer.... The Postal Service should be just that, a service in the public realm, as it is in France, Germany, and hell, even the UNITED STATES.....

And I dont call shedding 40.000 staff as "evolving" the business...

 

i do... the worlds changing, there are now rival postal services and e mails, theres getting to be a diminishing need for posties.

i do... the worlds changing, there are now rival postal services and e mails, theres getting to be a diminishing need for posties.

 

How do you make that one out then mate...? In our flat we routinely get about at least a half dozen items of mail delivered every day just about, usually junk mail... A lot of bills tend to be charged MONTHLY now instead of QUARTERLY (so 12 bills sent out annually instead of 4...), and even if you have a Direct Debit, you still get an actual bill sent out regardless.... When I was a postie, I saw my mail increase, not decrease, over the five years that I was employed....

 

So, you're wrong mate, sorry... More mail to be delivered by less staff...?? Doesn't add up......

Expect more strikes next week it has been announced for more strike action, I can see the backlot piling up

Expect more strikes next week it has been announced for more strike action, I can see the backlot piling up

Will we get post inbetween the strikes?

might sound like a stupid question, I dunno

But, the bus strikes were only on certain days, and there was normal service otherwise

Im expecting something really important through the post as well :(

this is a joke.

 

constant striking will not get the in favour with the public, who in turn will pile pressure on the government 2 do sumthin,

 

i can see this going in a circle, and on for a long time - like the firemans strikes <_<

How do you make that one out then mate...? In our flat we routinely get about at least a half dozen items of mail delivered every day just about, usually junk mail... A lot of bills tend to be charged MONTHLY now instead of QUARTERLY (so 12 bills sent out annually instead of 4...), and even if you have a Direct Debit, you still get an actual bill sent out regardless.... When I was a postie, I saw my mail increase, not decrease, over the five years that I was employed....

 

So, you're wrong mate, sorry... More mail to be delivered by less staff...?? Doesn't add up......

 

i cant see an indefinite rise in mail though, nobody takes any notice of junk mail and sooner or later business will cotton on to that and stop it!

 

but i take your point.. more mail cant be delivered by less staff, but that for management to sort out, not the workers to strike about it. as i see it the ammount of mail needing to be delivered dictates just how many posties are required.

i cant see an indefinite rise in mail though, nobody takes any notice of junk mail and sooner or later business will cotton on to that and stop it!

 

Well, they aint cottoned on for the past decade or so, so I cant see companies just giving up on mail shots or leafleting any time soon.... :lol:

 

thats true.....

this is a joke.

 

constant striking will not get the in favour with the public, who in turn will pile pressure on the government 2 do sumthin,

 

i can see this going in a circle, and on for a long time - like the firemans strikes <_<

 

didn't the public start to get tired at the firemen moaning during their strikes in the end. The whole postal strike is turning farcical now. Holding people and businesses to ransom is simply not the way forward I'm afraid

Had a pile of mail today.

I didn't, mine didn't bring anything again :angry: :lol:

We only got four letters, though we'd get a whole load! :lol:

this is a joke.

 

constant striking will not get the in favour with the public, who in turn will pile pressure on the government 2 do sumthin,

 

i can see this going in a circle, and on for a long time - like the firemans strikes <_<

 

I don't care if they keep striking and the company I work for don't either.

 

At the end of the day they are doing this for a reason, they are trying to under cut them with their pension, send them around the country and push them into doing things they don't want to do. I'm all for our post lady striking cos she's lovely and loves her job before it became a nightmare. They ain't helping themselves tho on strike = no money, but they have to do what they have to do and what betters them in the long run, what they are doing to their empolyes is wrong.

The news report on "Spanish practices" tonight throws a little different light on the postal workers 'plight'

 

but then not altogether convinced wasn't a bit too biased to be plausible.

 

 

is it true that some postal workers in some areas refused to work today? and went on unofficial strike? If so, that's just disgusting, I'm sorry, but they've had their agreed 48 hours to make a point, and they will continue to c**k up all our post next week too, without doing what they want in between

Expect more strikes next week it has been announced for more strike action, I can see the backlot piling up

 

for f*ks sake :rolleyes:

Oh if they do even more strikes then it's really taking the biscuit. Yes okay, I understand where they're coming from but the general UK public are the ones who suffer!

 

I'm gonna have a birthday without any birthday cards and presents from a good proportion of my family come Friday and i'm waiting for some very important stuff in the post too, so they best not strike again in the near future.