December 17, 200816 yr Author No way should it be banned, it makes the chart alot more interesting and its increasing sales which is whats needed. ISTM it is not a *genuine* (i.e. sustainable) increase though, but just one based on concentrated hype. Only the emergence of some radical new genre can stimulate enough interest for a quantum shift in the music market. Edited December 17, 200816 yr by vidcapper
December 17, 200816 yr Author Here's an idea - how about banning you from posting? What do you reckon? Does it seem fair - because I don't think your thread has much merit so why don't I just decide on behalf of everybody else? No, I thought not. The charts have been going about 50 years - i that time there have been plenty of good bad and indifferent songs, plenty of classics that didn't chart as highly as you might imagine, plenty of No.1s all but forgotten - plenty of chart wars/battles, plenty of fads, plenty indeed for everybody and plenty enough to go around. Just get over it. I guess you missed my smiley then? :)
December 17, 200816 yr I guess if everyone banned music they didn't like from the charts, historically we'd just be left with Blondie. Which is fine, but, ya know :)
December 17, 200816 yr I would LOVE the Blondie chart! :wub: Still there must be someone round here who doesn't like them. Or doesn't know who they are :puke2:
December 17, 200816 yr :huh: Its a popular format that the record buying public like! I agree it would be nice to have a return to the days when there was a battle for the Christmas #1 but I don't see that happening for a long time! If your going to ban XF sales from the chart then you might aswell ban all reality records and any act that has performed on a TV show watched by over 10 million people and then have a chart where you need to sell 1,000 copies to get to #1 because that would be better wouldn't it?! :teresa:
December 17, 200816 yr What do you mean by Merit? You do realise that Pop Chart stands for Popular Chart - it IS a popularity contest - not a quality contest - whatever you define quality as - and since X Factor is a mix of music ability and likeability - hence 'x factor' not 'sing factor' or 'like factor' then I'd have to wonder what you think the pop charts are for if not for the likes of the X Factor.
December 18, 200816 yr I'm amazed so many people replied to my jokey original post, TBH. I suspect some of it is a reaction against songs that don't chart on merit - that is one of my pet peeves, too. Obviously you can't ban a song from the charts (otherwise I'd see to it there was no rap in there). :naughty: :) And I'd want boring Oasis banned.......... and loads else. in my world the chart would be full of Divas, including Alexandra, Diana, Ruth, Laura and loads of other previous non-winners of X Factor. XF is brilliant and now its finished I don't know what I'll do this saturday :naughty:
December 18, 200816 yr Well, I'm disappointed that it looks very much like the X Factor will be the Christmas Number One, once again. But ho hum, I have to be honest and say I think it's a nice tune this year. I'm gonna still enjoy myself :jump: this Christmas AND spare a thought for others in less furtunate circumstances than me :mellow: I'll listen, when the mood takes me to tunes which I like, irrespective of whether or not they have ever been commercially popular :smoke:
December 20, 200816 yr I couldn't help but laugh when i was on the train last night coming home from work, cos i grabbed the London Lite paper and began reading through it - and it said that Simon Cowell had brought the rights to the Halleuljah song, which means not only is he making money out of Alexandra's version, but also Jeff Buckley and the other one floating around. So all those people that have brought Jeff Buckley as a two fingers at Simon - have gone and made him even richer!
December 20, 200816 yr Stupid thread :manson: No one forces anyone to go out and buy an X Factor record, if they do buy it then it has every bloody right to be in the chart :rolleyes:
December 20, 200816 yr I couldn't help but laugh when i was on the train last night coming home from work, cos i grabbed the London Lite paper and began reading through it - and it said that Simon Cowell had brought the rights to the Halleuljah song, which means not only is he making money out of Alexandra's version, but also Jeff Buckley and the other one floating around. So all those people that have brought Jeff Buckley as a two fingers at Simon - have gone and made him even richer! I read this to my horror this morning: Cowellelujah: Simon rides the waves as he earns £250,000 a day for doing nothing.... thanks to his Hallelujah rights Daily Mail.co.uk By Chris Johnson Last updated at 9:33 PM on 19th December 2008 As his X Factor protégée Alexandra Burke makes waves across the waters in Britain, Simon Cowell has been making ones of his own while holidaying in Barbados with ex-lover Sinitta. The music mogul showed his daredevil side during an afternoon of adrenaline-fuelled water sports as he mounted a jet ski and zoomed around on the clear blue waters. Not to be outdone, Sinitta also proved she was game for a laugh as she clambered aboard her own watermobile and zipped around with a huge grin on her face. The expense of the luxury holiday is just a drop in the ocean for Cowell, who is currently reaping the rewards of this year's Christmas chart-toppers. Not only is he enjoying the profits of X Factor winner Alexandra Burke's Hallelujah, his company Syco also owns the rights to the Jeff Buckley's version and the original by songwriter Leonard Cohen. Incredibly, all three versions expected to top the charts - Alexandra's is tipped to be the Christmas No 1 with Buckley and Cohen possibly in second and third place. He is raking in a whopping £250,000-a-day from the tracks, according to a report today. His label, SyCo Music, represents all X Factor winners. Leona Lewis, who won in 2006, is still signed to Syco, and is second in the midweek charts with her cover of Snow Patrol's Run. Cowell was riding high during the holiday, and certainly made the biggest splash. The 49-year-old appeared self-assured as he stood in the upright position, tearing across the waters donning blue shorts complete with a chest-baring life jacket which billowed behind him. Cowell is taking a month-long paradise break with 42-year-old Sinitta and her two children, Magdalena, three, and two-year-old Zac, who she adopted with husband Andy Wilner last year. But instead of joining his wife, Wilner is spending the festive season with his family and elder children from a former marriage. Sinitta gives a wave and smile as she took to the waters on a bright yellow jet ski The couple are said to be living increasingly separate lives, with Wilner resident in Hong Kong since April while Sinitta remains in Britain. Cowell, however, is clearly grateful for the companionship of his former flame, having recently split with girlfriend Terri Seymour. During their break, Cowell and Sinitta have been lording it up at his luxury Barbados mansion. Just months ago he invited his top six X Factor contestants to the stunning pad, where they sang poolside in a bid to make the final three in the boys' category. Now, however, the straight-talking judge and mentor is relieved to be taking a well earned break from his dream-making duties following a hectic year - guiding Leona Lewis in her conquest of America, and working on series of American Idol and the X factor. In a recent interview with Hello! magazine, Sinitta revealed that they were both really looking forward to the trip. She said: 'We're so ready for this now. Simon's been so flat out with work, he's pretty much on his knees. And it's been a difficult and emotional year for me too. 'There's been lots of good stuff too, but it will be nice to be in an environment where the world stops for a few weeks. X Factor winner Alexandra Burke is pictured leaving her hotel The holiday will be the first time Simon and Sinitta have been away together since her marriage. They will be joined for periods by friends including Paul McKenna and American Idol's Ryan Seacrest. But while Cowell works on his sun tan, his X Factor starlet Alexandra has remained busy in Britain promoting her song Hallelujah. She is also set to perform with veteran pop star Elton John on New Year's Eve at the the 02 Arena. Which, baring in mind John's recent comments about the X Factor, should make for an interesting night. As Alexandra collapsed in a heap as she was crowned the winner of the ITV show, John told an audience at the 02 that he would rather have his 'c*** bitten off by an Alsatian' than watch the show and that he would be happy to lose his testicles in the process. But, at least, Alexandra will be in sympathetic company at Elton John’s New Year’s Eve Party. The night’s other guest singer is fellow TV talent show winner - Pop Idol’s Will Young.
December 20, 200816 yr "I couldn't help but laugh when i was on the train last night coming home from work, cos i grabbed the London Lite paper and began reading through it - and it said that Simon Cowell had brought the rights to the Halleuljah song, which means not only is he making money out of Alexandra's version, but also Jeff Buckley and the other one floating around. So all those people that have brought Jeff Buckley as a two fingers at Simon - have gone and made him even richer!" If true, that is hilarious. I'm no Cowell fan (quite the opposite, actually) but this "Hallelujah" bandwagon has become tiresome. That really $h!ts all over the "campaign", doesn't it?
December 20, 200816 yr You're both completely missing the point. For a start, 100k of Jeff Buckley sales at 79p is going to give Cowell about half a days earnings! If you're going to stop Cowell from making money then murdering him is the only was you're going to succeed... The whole point of the campaign was to make people aware of other (better) versions of the song, particularly Jeff's, to show people that the X-Factor is completely unoriginal which it's certainly done, and also to try and get an alternative Christmas number one. Realistically, it was never going to happen however the achievement is one the people behind the campaign can be proud of, it's brought Jeff Buckley's version to a whole new audience and has been by FAR the most successful of the 'Get Artist/Song X to number one/in the charts'. Usually they fail to trouble the top 75!
December 20, 200816 yr "I couldn't help but laugh when i was on the train last night coming home from work, cos i grabbed the London Lite paper and began reading through it - and it said that Simon Cowell had brought the rights to the Halleuljah song, which means not only is he making money out of Alexandra's version, but also Jeff Buckley and the other one floating around. So all those people that have brought Jeff Buckley as a two fingers at Simon - have gone and made him even richer!" If true, that is hilarious. I'm no Cowell fan (quite the opposite, actually) but this "Hallelujah" bandwagon has become tiresome. That really $h!ts all over the "campaign", doesn't it? Yes it does. Just as well I've been on the Geraldine McQueen bandwagon & not the Jeff Buckley one. The idea of someone buying Jeff Buckley's sublime 1994 Grace album & Simon Cowell making money out of it makes me nearly as sick as Michael Jackson making money out of The Beatles back catalogue because he outbid Paul McCartney & Yoko Ono for the songwriting publishing back in the 1980s.
December 20, 200816 yr Yes it does. Just as well I've been on the Geraldine McQueen bandwagon & not the Jeff Buckley one. The idea of someone buying Jeff Buckley's sublime 1994 Grace album & Simon Cowell making money out of it makes me nearly as sick as Michael Jackson making money out of The Beatles back catalogue because he outbid Paul McCartney & Yoko Ono for the songwriting publishing back in the 1980s. The Sun thought they were being smart by getting a campaign going to have a non Cowell xmas #1 but it has well and truly blown up in their faces given they didn't do their homework to see if Cowell owned the other versions, if it was not for The Sun trying to be smart and manipulate the charts Cowell would be getting a lot less money
December 20, 200816 yr Yes it does. Just as well I've been on the Geraldine McQueen bandwagon & not the Jeff Buckley one. The idea of someone buying Jeff Buckley's sublime 1994 Grace album & Simon Cowell making money out of it makes me nearly as sick as Michael Jackson making money out of The Beatles back catalogue because he outbid Paul McCartney & Yoko Ono for the songwriting publishing back in the 1980s. Yes, far better to buy a novelty song which will be forgotten in three months time (even for Charity) than to support one of the true (largely) unappreciated talents the music industry has ever seen, releasing one album which, fourteen years after release, and 10 years after the artists death, is still regarded as a true classic today and always will be! I don't really think it matters that much who makes money out of the song, just the appreciating of true talents and fantastic music. Still, as Cowell does own the rights he can finally say he's made some money out of a something decent!
December 20, 200816 yr The Sun thought they were being smart by getting a campaign going to have a non Cowell xmas #1 but it has well and truly blown up in their faces given they didn't do their homework to see if Cowell owned the other versions, if it was not for The Sun trying to be smart and manipulate the charts Cowell would be getting a lot less money It's got nothing to do with The Scum! It was a Facebook group originally set up the campaign and The Scum didn't jump on the bandwagon until it had nearly 100,000 members! Let's have a look at the description of the group and aims of the campaign! !!---BEFORE JOINING THIS GROUP, PLEASE BUY THE JEFF BUCKLEY HALLELUJAH SINGLE FROM ALL OF THE ONLINE STORES IN THE LINKS BELOW---!! Also, please join the group's page so you can receive updates on how the campaign is going! http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Jeff-Factor/66928891080 Following the rather depressing news that this year's X factor finalist will be covering Leonard Cohen's beautiful 'Hallelujah,' I think everyone should download the Jeff Buckley version, instead of buying the inevitably soulless version churned out by Simon Cowell's Crimbo flash in the pan. This is not a group intended to make cruel or derogatory remarks about any participants in this years X factor, but if you love Buckley's version, let's make sure everyone forgets the pale imitation as quickly as possible. We can make this work, and make a huge statement against the barrage of cynical manufactured pop dirtying up our charts. I am willing to download this version the week the X factor version comes out, and I know others will be too. To make this as easy as possible we have posted the download links below: http://www.7digital.com/artists/jeff-buckley/hallelujah-1/ - unencumbered high quality 320k mp3 89p (that's what I'm getting next week). http://www.tunetribe.com/product/index.html?id=604507 - cheaper but semi-crippled WMA (windows file) only 49p http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore...01&s=143444 - 79p but DRM AAC file from Apple HMV http://hmv.com/hmvweb/digitalSearch.do?sim...mp;primaryID=8# Near the bottom, 69p. PLEASE DONT PURCHASE FROM AMAZON AS THEY DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE UK CHARTS... PLEASE DON'T MULTIPLE DOWNLOAD AT ALL. ************** We all love the song...we all bought the song...now lets all play the song! No cost or effort involved! Join the sync! 5pm saturday 20th! http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=54005209740 LETS GET HEARD! No where, I repeat, NO WHERE does it say ANYTHING about not lining Cowell's pockets! :manson:
December 20, 200816 yr "Just as well I've been on the Geraldine McQueen bandwagon & not the Jeff Buckley one." I've been on neither, but I'd definitely rather the former ;) So, in essence, shouldn't everyone who adores Buckley's version be in debt to Cowell? I mean, had he not used Hallelujah as the winner's single, Buckley's version would not have reached #2. You know, I don't know why I'm arguing this. I actually dislike Simon Cowell, so I can't defend him anymore. It's just the logic behind this Hallelujah bandwagon that is so hypocritical. Stick to the "we just wanted another Xmas #1" - it's got a better ring to it...
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