It doesn't change the fact that GRIMLY and MMRob hates Coldplay and they will find the awards flukes. ^_^

 

BTW, Joe Satrani is just a reckless, sueing tw@t. :lol:

 

Indeed. Personally I'd much rather listen to the four albums by the similar sounding but superior IMHO Elbow any day of the week.

 

But like Radiohead before them, you've got to give Coldplay credit for the way their Jeff Buckley/Radiohead-lite popularity has expanded globally in comparison to the likes of the similar but less successful globally Keane, Snow Patrol, Razorlight, Starsailor, Embrace, Aqualung, The Fray, etc...

 

But then that is the point like all zeigeists of a rock musical movement whether it is Pink Floyd in the 1970s, U2 in the 1980s or Oasis in the 1990s the reason they end up being despised is due to the mass of similar inferior acts & music that follow in their slipstream.

How ironic is this post. :rolleyes:

 

For starters, you have completely ignored this post which put a rather big torpedo in your opening post:

As for saying Razorlight are better?

 

So a 4th rate AOR act fronted by an arrogant lead singer who thinks he is the next Bob Geldof with his sub Boomtown Rats posteuring, hell he even chatted up Peaches Geldof, until Bob Geldef told him to feck off, who's latest third album flopped faster than a new album by Gareth Gates; who've been successfully sued by Bob Dylan for tea leafing 3 & a half lines of one of his seminal 1960s album tracks are better than the best selling active British band of the 21st Century who had the 2nd best selling album in the World of 2008 which has just passed 7 million copies this week.

 

As for Coldplay, one thing I like about Chris Martin is is self depreciating dry sense of humour (The very fact he is a very good friend of Ricky Gervais who does not suffer fools gladly is a pretty significant clue) which he had since the first interview he did with Radio 1 back in 2000 where he said the band's music is "like 80s Soft Rock but louder". the fact that some older people are unable to appreciate Chris Martin ironic sensibilities is their loss, and I would say is evidence that he is doing a good job of making this band the U2 or the Pink Floyd of their generation, as the older magazines Uncut & Mojo don't like Coldplay because they are popularists like those two acts were previously in the late 80s/90s & 70s/early 80s. Whilst the tabloids don't like Chris Martin & Coldplay because their University educated "Radiohead minus the innovation but packed with tunes and melodies" (© Damon Albarn), is at odds with the celebrity culture vox soundbites of the Robbie Williams, Lily Allens & Cheryl Coles of the world. Whilst Chris Martin had the audacity to not marry a model but a very talented Oscar winning actress. No wonder people hate him.

 

Still the critics & their peers hate Coldplay don't they?

 

Awards

 

2000

Melody Maker:

Writers: Album of The Year: "Parachutes" (2nd)

Writers: Single Of The Year: "Yellow" (3rd)

NME:

Writers: Album of The Year: "Parachutes" (6th)

Writers: Single Of The Year: "Yellow" (2nd)

Select:

Writers: Album of The Year: "Parachutes" (5th)

Writers: Single Of The Year: "Yellow" (1st)

Q:

Readers: Album of The Year: "Parachutes" (1st)

 

2001

NME

Carling Award Session of the Year (for a live appearance on a BBC show)

Best Single for "Yellow"

Best New Artist

 

Brit Award

Best British Album for "Parachutes"

Best British Group

 

2002

MTV Europe Music Award

Best UK & Ireland Act

MTV Video Music Award

Best Art Direction Video for "Trouble"

Grammy Award

Best Alternative Music Performance for "Parachutes"

Q Magazine

Writers: Album Of The Year for "A Rush Of Blood To The Head" (1st)

Rolling Stone:

Writers: Album Of The Year for "A Rush Of Blood To The Head" (3rd)

2003

NME Carling Award

NME Critics Album Of The Year for "A Rush Of Blood To The Head"

Carling Best Album for "A Rush Of Blood To The Head"

Q Award

Album Of The Year for "A Rush Of Blood To The Head"

MTV Video Music Award

Breakthrough Video for "The Scientist"

Best Direction Video for "The Scientist"

Best Group Video for "The Scientist"

MTV Europe Music Award

Best Group

Meteor Ireland Music Award

Best International Group

International Dance Music Award

Best Alternative Rock Dance for "Clocks"

Grammy Award

Best Rock Vocal Performance by a Duo or Group for "In My Place"

Best Alternative Music Performance for "A Rush Of Blood To The Head"

Brit Award

Best British Album for "A Rush Of Blood To The Head"

Best British Group

 

2004

Grammy Award

Record of the Year for "Clocks"

 

2005

World Music Award

World's Best Selling Artist/England

Q Award

Best Act In The World Today

MTV Europe Music Award

Best Song for "Speed of Sound"

Best UK & Ireland Act

GQ Award

Band Of The Year

 

2006

Juno Award

International Album of the Year for "X&Y"

ECHO Award

International Pop/Rock Group of the Year for "X&Y"

Brit Award

Best British Single for "Speed of Sound"

MasterCard British Album for "X&Y"

 

2008

Q Award

Best Album for "Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends"

Best Act In The World Today

World Music Award

World's Best Rock Act

World's Best Selling Recording Act

Best Great Britain Act

Q Magazine

Critics: Best Album for "Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends" (3rd)

 

Rolling Stone

Critics: Best Album for "Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends" (7th)

Readers: Best Album for "Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends" (1st)

 

2009

NRJ Awards

NRJ Award of Honor

 

Nominated for 4 BRIT Awards

Nominated for 7 Grammy's

 

Still with the news today that Joe Satriani is still going to go after Coldplay at the Grammy's and file them with writs, I'm very pleased to hear this afternoon that Brian Eno is prepared to do the same and counter file & sue Joe Satriani. I think it is very sad that the The Streets cover of the relevent Lou Reed song had to be pulled from the WarChild Heroes album because of Joe Satriani's pomposity. Added to the fact that Coldplay's royalties for the track Viva La Vida are going towards Amnesty International & the WarChild charity (which when you consider it is their best selling single to date worldwide is quite a lot of money which is probably why Joe Satriani is going "ambulance chasing", as part of his proof he is using the fact he recorded a song called Speed Of Sound before Coldplay did so therefore they must have been aware of his work, talk about clutching at straws), which is why they allowed Viva La Vida to be used in the advert for iTunes against their previous beliefs where they've previously rejected offers to use their music in adverts on numerous occasions (another reason why Chris Martin's Extras cameo was very funny), I think it would be a real pity if those charities lost out financially as a result.

 

Besides if Coldplay are a bad as you & Grimly (Scott) describe then how come the legendary Brian Eno has produced them not once, but will be doing so twice (for their forthcoming 5th album).

 

Or are you saying the acts that the very choosy ex-Roxy Music "electronic soundscaper" (I remember him once re-telling when Duran Duran asked him to produce them as if that was an insult) have worked with are of equally poor artistic merit: John Cale, Robert Fripp, Nico, Ultravox (pre Midge Ure), David Bowie, Talking Heads, Lou Reed, Devo, U2, Laurie Anderson, Jane Siberry, James, David Byrne & Sinead O'Connor?

 

erm... your original response, your 'torpedo', actually supports the claim that coldplay are using riffs that have already been written! :lol:

 

oh stop going on about johnny burrel trying to be bob geldof WHO HAS MADE A LIVING BY TRYING TO BE MICK JAGGER ... a point you convieniantly overlook <_<. the point is that I LIKE razorlight, by a light year over crap-play.

 

so you like chris martins self depreciation, SO WHAT? he is m8s of ricky jervais? SO WHAT? that doesnt make his insipid, uninspiring, plagiarised music any more acceptable! and its highly ironic that you overlook martins self absorbed pomposity but criticise johnny burrel for it!!! DOUBLE STANDARDS!

 

people hate him for not conforming? marrying a talented actress? BOLLOX! i hate him for being who he is... ill not repeat the reasons they are clear enough in this thread.

 

oh they are up for awards?.... they MUST be good then! :lol: after all, westlife have had 13? #1's that must mean that they are good and the public all have real musical tastes...just like they do when it comes to picking a eurovision song! :lol: they are NOT the new u2, or pink floyd (both of which are not very high on my list of favs.... but ill never 'diss' their music because whether or not i 'get' it, others obviously do and at least its original )

 

does it really matter who had the riff first? the point is IT WASNT COLDPLAY. oh its all ok saying his profits are going towards amnesty, its nice that he CAN AFFORD to do that!

 

look, i win at the thursday night pop quiz nearly every week... i win vouchers for 8 pints, i drink 1, i give the rest away because i can afford to... its the very same thing with martin. those vouchers to me are meaningless as i have more then i need. his charitable excercise means NOTHING and is NO excuse for buying/liking that insipid tripe.

 

oh well if brian eno has produced them they must be good mustnt they? :lol: god he should be distance himself from them to retain credibility... but then again, hes OLD. has he still got cutting edge talent?.... well lennon and mc cartney to highlight 2, soon lost their inovation as they got older... producing some quite embarrassingly bad music.... maybe being old isnt an automatic qualification of quality!

 

eno aint god.

 

but if you want to believe the hype, thats your choice, coldplay may well be 'popular' with boring adults who have never rocked, and christians, and people with little understanding of our musical heritage nor interest .... but they are still a pile of uninteresting, unoriginal, uninspiring crap.

 

 

 

But then that is the point like all zeigeists of a rock musical movement whether it is Pink Floyd in the 1970s, U2 in the 1980s or Oasis in the 1990s the reason they end up being despised is due to the mass of similar inferior acts & music that follow in their slipstream.

 

But Coldplay are an inferior act who followed in the Slipstream of Radiohead, Simple Minds and U2 as I see it....

 

As for Eno, well, I think Rob said it tbh, his standards have clearly slipped in his old age and he's lost it, which is why he's producing Crap-Play and not real innovators and musically interesting acts like The Mars Volta or Ladytron....

i listen to Coldplay and know all those bands.

 

You're not really the "typical" Coldplay fan though Chris..... About 99% of Coldplay's typical fanbase just wouldn't have a clue about most of these other bands....

but if you want to believe the hype, thats your choice, coldplay may well be 'popular' with boring adults who have never rocked, and christians, and people with little understanding of our musical heritage nor interest ....

 

 

About 99% of Coldplay's typical fanbase just wouldn't have a clue about most of these other bands....

What a load of utter crap - you assume that Coldplay fans are bizarre stereotypes you want to think they are without any basis in fact. I appreciate a wide range of artists and genres, as I suspect most music fans do.

 

CLOSE MINDED MUCH? :angry:

 

Oh and Rob, it is not very mature calling Coldplay Crap-play all the time. I get you don't like them, but please attempt to have some respect for their fans. Thank you.

Rob seems hung on the fact that Coldplay are bland and unoriginal due to their use of recycled riffs (which were suggested by their producer who originally wrote said riff)

 

Oh and that he finds them crap (in multiple ways)

 

Fair play if you don't like them. I think X,Y and Z and Viva La Vida are hugely disappointing albums but I stand by A Rush of Blood...

Much like Razorlight have turned into posturing toss after a terrific first album.

 

Can we just wrap this up as it all seems very unnecessary and boring with Grim and Rob seemingly trying to repeat their trick of The Saturdays thread in the pop forum.

 

 

What a load of utter crap - you assume that Coldplay fans are bizarre stereotypes you want to think they are without any basis in fact. I appreciate a wide range of artists and genres, as I suspect most music fans do.

 

CLOSE MINDED MUCH? :angry:

 

Oh and Rob, it is not very mature calling Coldplay Crap-play all the time. I get you don't like them, but please attempt to have some respect for their fans. Thank you.

 

mass selling acts have historically always appealed to 'nice easy' listening people.... it used to grate me when people who knew nothing about music suddenly discovered an act and praised it as 'the best ever'.... a parellel i cant clearly see here in coldplay.

 

i wouldnt knock coldplay IF their music was original, or/and they didnt claim to be 'the best band in the world'. they are space filling, they are not advancing music, they are uninspiring..... ok but their crime is claiming otherwise! ive said, they are WORSE then the saturdays because the saturdays know exactly what they are.

 

always calling coldplay crap-play?... think youd better read the thread again because VERY rarely have i said that! i call them by their proper name more often then not.

 

 

Rob seems hung on the fact that Coldplay are bland and unoriginal due to their use of recycled riffs (which were suggested by their producer who originally wrote said riff)

 

Oh and that he finds them crap (in multiple ways)

 

Fair play if you don't like them. I think X,Y and Z and Viva La Vida are hugely disappointing albums but I stand by A Rush of Blood...

Much like Razorlight have turned into posturing toss after a terrific first album.

 

Can we just wrap this up as it all seems very unnecessary and boring with Grim and Rob seemingly trying to repeat their trick of The Saturdays thread in the pop forum.

 

what, and sit about patting eachother on the back smiling inanely at eachother? <_<

 

oh and theres no mushy/grim consiparcy here, no pm's, no texts, no emails, we act independantly.

Oh FFS

 

I know there's no conspiracy! But you read each other's posts and that's enough to goad each other on.

 

And you have to admit that this is similar to what happened in that Saturdays thread. p*** off a certain bands' fan base and wait for them to respond with (surprise, surprise) opinions that are the complete opposite of yours. Except you picked a much bigger target this time.

 

The reason you started this thread off was to generate discussion not some inane slagging match which is what this is turning into. (Crap-play indeed!)

 

Of course there will be disagreements on musical opinions (Some of what you post makes me begger belief - but that is my opinion ;) )

what, and sit about patting eachother on the back smiling inanely at eachother? <_>

 

oh and theres no mushy/grim consiparcy here, no pm's, no texts, no emails, we act independantly.

I thought the whole point of discussion was listening to others points of view and appreciating the difference of opinion? You have brushed aside all the counter arguments and others points of view though (IN MY OPINION).

 

I know both Mushy and GRIMLY dislike Coldplay but how about letting others give their opinion as well? Maybe some other members who are on the fence can offer a more unbiased opinion?

but if you want to believe the hype, thats your choice, coldplay may well be 'popular' with boring adults who have never rocked, and christians, and people with little understanding of our musical heritage nor interest .... but they are still a pile of uninteresting, unoriginal, uninspiring crap.

 

Oh and isn't this a tiny bit of stereotyping here!

 

BTW apparently Killing Joke wanted to sue Nirvana for the Eighties riff but they couldn't afford to. I can't imagine Jaz Coleman would have just taken it on the chin.

mass selling acts have historically always appealed to 'nice easy' listening people.... it used to grate me when people who knew nothing about music suddenly discovered an act and praised it as 'the best ever'.... a parellel i cant clearly see here in coldplay.

 

i wouldnt knock coldplay IF their music was original, or/and they didnt claim to be 'the best band in the world'. they are space filling, they are not advancing music, they are uninspiring..... ok but their crime is claiming otherwise! ive said, they are WORSE then the saturdays because the saturdays know exactly what they are.

 

always calling coldplay crap-play?... think youd better read the thread again because VERY rarely have i said that! i call them by their proper name more often then not.

 

I think what is manifestively clear is that you fail to appreciate Chris Martin & the band's self depreciating sense of humour. I guess a dry sense of humour is too subtle for you.

 

“I send my love to Liam. We're not in a fight with anyone, as we in the band all know we are not the best band in the world today despite what some polls in music magazines say. U2, Radiohead, Oasis, Arcade Fire, Metallica even Take That are better than us.”

 

“It seems surreal that we're going to play concerts again, because I haven't met anyone who likes us for two years.”

"I don't mind not being cool.”

“Some people are into bondage... and some people are into crossdressing... and some people are into Coldplay. It's okay, I don't mind being a fetish.”

“Somewhere in the world Alan McGee is having a heart attack. He said we'd never make it.”

“If I have a problem with a chorus, I like to go into the men’s room, ’cause the echo is nice. Doesn’t smell so great, so you need to write it quickly, get out of there.”

“It's very hard to find things that rhyme with North American Free Trade Agreement.”

“I couldn’t possibly write a hit record when I’ve got a beer belly, so we’re just trying to write as many songs as possible before that D-Day, or B-Day it should be - for Belly Day.”

 

I also admire an act that in this day in age are religious (they are all christians) and are not afraid to utilize that in their music, which goes against the grain of Rock'n'roll music.

 

“I definitely appreciate opportunities in life more than anything else after going through that. God has a way of getting your attention. I didn't know if I'd ever play basketball again. I'm very thankful.”

 

But the quote where you are getting your wrong conclusion about Coldplay is from the Q Awards a few years back when they surprisingly beat Arctic Monkeys to the accolade & ended up receiving a mouthful of abuse from the slightly drunken Sheffield act fronted by the wonderfully acerbic Alex Turner:

 

“Coldplay is for people with great taste, intelligence, incredible good lookingness, talent, ability, success, grabbing of life. Coldplay’s for people who know what life’s about. They’re always entertaining. Delightful to talk to. Sweet, charming, incredibly good in bed. Virile. They have incredible success with girls, or boys, or both. They’re generally just the world’s best citizens. Maybe I’m biased, but I’m definitely right. Some of you probably hate us but I couldn't give a f*** [can we use that] because we're (humourously pointing the award mock triumphantly towards the Sheffield band) the best act in the world.”

 

Still when they won the same award in 2008 they cleared things up once and for:

 

Coldplay Awards Speech: Best Act In The World Today 2008

 

"..We're not even the best act in the room, let alone the best act in the world"

....And just look at the absolute sh!t that has followed in Coldplay's wake - Athlete, Keane, Razorsh!te.....GOD....... :puke2:

 

To me this proves they're a very good act. Because every great act influences other people and as a result a lot of similar sounding artists are born. But it's always the originals that stay the longest, can write decent tunes the longest, that have continued success.

 

You look at the likes of Blur, Oasis, Radiohead, Eminem, The Spice Girls... They're all acts who've emerged in my lifetime and have inspired other acts of similar sounds to come along due to their popularity. But, like them or not (generally I don't, I only really like one of those four...), they were the best of those, they had the impact and longeivity yet the imitations and bands they influenced were gone as soon as they arrived.

 

It's the same with Coldplay. Like everyone else poor imitations have been inspired and as a result the likes of Keane, Snow Patrol, Razorlight, Athlete, Embrace (who were once vaguely interesting), Starsailor, Thirteen Senses all appeared. But a few years down the line they've all but gone, they no longer have anywhere near as much public interest as they once have and sell a fraction of the amount of records they were selling five years ago. Whereas Coldplay, they're still writing songs of the standard they were when they first became known. And it wouldn't surprise me if they still were in ten, twenty years time...

 

The other type of music that captured the publics imagination recently has been 'indie', or effectively a second wave of 'Brit-pop'. Not an entirely different genre from the one being discussed, but with sizeable amounts more energy in their music. The ones who started it; The Killers, Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys I'm sure will be around for quite some time. Whereas The Enemy, The Wombats, The Pigeon Detectives, Kaiser Chiefs, Reverend & The Makers, One Night Only will be gone fairly soon.

Edited February 6, 200916 yr by RabbitFurCoat

Oh FFS

 

I know there's no conspiracy! But you read each other's posts and that's enough to goad each other on.

 

And you have to admit that this is similar to what happened in that Saturdays thread. p*** off a certain bands' fan base and wait for them to respond with (surprise, surprise) opinions that are the complete opposite of yours. Except you picked a much bigger target this time.

 

The reason you started this thread off was to generate discussion not some inane slagging match which is what this is turning into. (Crap-play indeed!)

 

Of course there will be disagreements on musical opinions (Some of what you post makes me begger belief - but that is my opinion ;) )

 

that was a line for general consumption , i was not accusing you of a grim/mush conspiracy, it was a general statement.

 

I thought the whole point of discussion was listening to others points of view and appreciating the difference of opinion? You have brushed aside all the counter arguments and others points of view though (IN MY OPINION).

 

I know both Mushy and GRIMLY dislike Coldplay but how about letting others give their opinion as well? Maybe some other members who are on the fence can offer a more unbiased opinion?

 

not so.... i have not been persuaded by any counter arguments that my view is wrong! i started this thread to MOAN about coldplay, not to sit around trying to define their musical credibility, i entered the thread with a view on them in mind and no one has managed to put foreward a successful counter argument to my view!

 

Oh and isn't this a tiny bit of stereotyping here!

 

.

 

yep....... so?.... id wager that whilst im not 100% right there is alot of truth in what i said..... ive seen it many times before.

 

 

I think what is manifestively clear is that you fail to appreciate Chris Martin & the band's self depreciating sense of humour. I guess a dry sense of humour is too subtle for you.

 

“I send my love to Liam. We're not in a fight with anyone, as we in the band all know we are not the best band in the world today despite what some polls in music magazines say. U2, Radiohead, Oasis, Arcade Fire, Metallica even Take That are better than us.”

 

“It seems surreal that we're going to play concerts again, because I haven't met anyone who likes us for two years.”

"I don't mind not being cool.”

“Some people are into bondage... and some people are into crossdressing... and some people are into Coldplay. It's okay, I don't mind being a fetish.”

“Somewhere in the world Alan McGee is having a heart attack. He said we'd never make it.”

“If I have a problem with a chorus, I like to go into the men’s room, ’cause the echo is nice. Doesn’t smell so great, so you need to write it quickly, get out of there.”

“It's very hard to find things that rhyme with North American Free Trade Agreement.”

“I couldn’t possibly write a hit record when I’ve got a beer belly, so we’re just trying to write as many songs as possible before that D-Day, or B-Day it should be - for Belly Day.”

 

I also admire an act that in this day in age are religious (they are all christians) and are not afraid to utilize that in their music, which goes against the grain of Rock'n'roll music.

 

“I definitely appreciate opportunities in life more than anything else after going through that. God has a way of getting your attention. I didn't know if I'd ever play basketball again. I'm very thankful.”

 

But the quote where you are getting your wrong conclusion about Coldplay is from the Q Awards a few years back when they surprisingly beat Arctic Monkeys to the accolade & ended up receiving a mouthful of abuse from the slightly drunken Sheffield act fronted by the wonderfully acerbic Alex Turner:

 

“Coldplay is for people with great taste, intelligence, incredible good lookingness, talent, ability, success, grabbing of life. Coldplay’s for people who know what life’s about. They’re always entertaining. Delightful to talk to. Sweet, charming, incredibly good in bed. Virile. They have incredible success with girls, or boys, or both. They’re generally just the world’s best citizens. Maybe I’m biased, but I’m definitely right. Some of you probably hate us but I couldn't give a f*** [can we use that] because we're (humourously pointing the award mock triumphantly towards the Sheffield band) the best act in the world.”

 

Still when they won the same award in 2008 they cleared things up once and for:

 

Coldplay Awards Speech: Best Act In The World Today 2008

 

"..We're not even the best act in the room, let alone the best act in the world"

 

 

i like your intelligent replies, and i respect them ... whether or not i agree though is a different matter :).

 

maybe i dont 'get' his self depreciating sense of humour... maybe i would if i liked his material... one day he might produce a track i like, im not writing him off, but for now my distaste remains.

 

johnny burrel might be a bigger tosser... i dont care, what i do care about is decent music, music that i can relate too, that moves me, that says something..... razorlight does, coldplay dont.

johnny burrel might be a bigger tosser... i dont care, what i do care about is decent music, music that i can relate too, that moves me, that says something..... razorlight does, coldplay dont.

 

 

woah, WOAH, WOAH.

 

Let me just get this straight, you seem to have some sort of personal hatred over Coldplay, who actually have written decent enjoyable music that is actually good songwriting, yet you like Razor$h!te who are pratically just Coldplay, but a much worser version :mellow:

 

I could see what you were 'getting at' with your arguements in this thread, and can understand your opinon's on Coldplay but honestly how can you like Razor$h!te but have some sort of personal hatred of Coldplay.

 

 

Oh and i have noticed one of the many things that you have brought up against Coldplay is how much of a nobend Chris Martin is, and you hold that against them, when we are discussing them from a musical point of view yet 'Johnny Borell being more of a tosser' doesnt effect your opinons on Razor$h!te's music, hypocrite much?

When's this conversation going to finish? :lol:

johnny burrel might be a bigger tosser... i dont care, what i do care about is decent music, music that i can relate too, that moves me, that says something..... razorlight does, coldplay dont.

I get that you're saying that Razorlight were at least original, but Coldplay can't be "unoriginal" imo. :huh:

I don't get though how do Razorlight can move you... :(

You're not really the "typical" Coldplay fan though Chris..... About 99% of Coldplay's typical fanbase just wouldn't have a clue about most of these other bands....

:kink: OK, i DO have a clue about The Cure and Ladytron, but Anathema? *searches into Spotify* :kink:. Anyway its pretty good

 

johnny burrel might be a bigger tosser... i dont care, what i do care about is decent music, music that i can relate too, that moves me, that says something..... razorlight does, coldplay dont.

:blink: lol, what i was going to say Chris has already said below.

 

woah, WOAH, WOAH.

 

Let me just get this straight, you seem to have some sort of personal hatred over Coldplay, who actually have written decent enjoyable music that is actually good songwriting, yet you like Razor$h!te who are pratically just Coldplay, but a much worser version :mellow:

 

I could see what you were 'getting at' with your arguements in this thread, and can understand your opinon's on Coldplay but honestly how can you like Razor$h!te but have some sort of personal hatred of Coldplay.

Oh and i have noticed one of the many things that you have brought up against Coldplay is how much of a nobend Chris Martin is, and you hold that against them, when we are discussing them from a musical point of view yet 'Johnny Borell being more of a tosser' doesnt effect your opinons on Razor$h!te's music, hypocrite much?

 

I have sat on the fence so far during this discussion topic, and to pick up Jester’s question about other members sitting on the fence I will now jump off. It is clear Mushy (Rob) has a clear distaste for all things Coldplay, but maybe he protests too much, maybe he is a closet Coldplay fan, but doesn’t want to lose his music credibility. I mean its only a few months ago he was bashing the Saturdays at every opportunity and now he is warming to their latest stuff, I do begin to worry about my fellow Retro m8. :)

 

I think it’s more like Rob hates Chris Martin rather than the band, as I bet he cannot name the other 3 members. Now don’t get me wrong, Chris can certainly rub people up the wrong way, and from time to time he acts like a proper berk. But since when was that a crime in Rock (pop) music, as far as I can see most lead singers have huge egos from the 60’s right up to now.

 

I can understand why Scott (Grimly) dislikes them, as to be honest it’s not really his scene (musically) and that’s fine, he has on many occasions criticised this kind of music, whether it’s Coldplay, Keane, or other contempories of today. Maybe they do sound like a watered down version of Echo & Bunnymen or Radiohead, but popular music has been like that for decades. Look how many artists copied the Beatles style, and then Bowie etc etc, that’s what happens when you aspire to be like your musical influences.

 

Coldplay have developed a style of music that has struck a chord with millions of people not only in the UK and the USA but also all over the world. It may not be the edgiest music out there, but it has a place or no one would buy it, but after 4 albums they are still selling bucket loads of albums. Most of the bands in the last 10 years struggle to sell a fraction of what they sell, and are lucky to get to a 3rd album before disappearing out of sight.

 

As various posters have argued quite eloquently (and far better than me), most notably Richard (TIP), they have been not only a commercial success but they have won numerous awards most bands would die for.

 

Whether they will be remembered as a great band 20 years from now, who knows maybe yes maybe not. But to suggest that Razorlight are better beggars belief, and to say even the Saturdays are better is the funniest thing I have heard in ages. Since when was standing up wiggling your butt in 8-inch heels and miming to another person’s lyrics, more talented than 4 guys who write all their own songs and perform live (no miming) on stage. The Saturdays are just fluff, here today gone tomorrow eye candy for teenage males to wet themselves over; it’s certainly not for the musical creativeness of them. :D

 

Give me Coldplay any day to the Saturdays, Razorlight or dross like that.

 

Well to finish, do I like Coldplay, Yes. I have all their albums. Are they the best CD’s in my collection, No. Are they better than the Beatles, Stones, Kinks, etc, no they are not. Are they better than thousands of other bands from the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s, yes they are.

 

Rob, our musical tastes are pretty similar pre 1990, but I have to admit from then we seem to be going on different tangents. :)

 

Finally to show that I can take criticism about them, without resorting to swearing or having a hissy fit :D , here is a video for Rob’s amusement, it’s ok Rob it’s not Chris Martin singing.

 

 

 

http://www.everythingsoundslikecoldplaynow.com/

I have sat on the fence so far during this discussion topic, and to pick up Jester’s question about other members sitting on the fence I will now jump off. It is clear Mushy (Rob) has a clear distaste for all things Coldplay, but maybe he protests too much, maybe he is a closet Coldplay fan, but doesn’t want to lose his music credibility. I mean its only a few months ago he was bashing the Saturdays at every opportunity and now he is warming to their latest stuff, I do begin to worry about my fellow Retro m8. :)

 

I think it’s more like Rob hates Chris Martin rather than the band, as I bet he cannot name the other 3 members. Now don’t get me wrong, Chris can certainly rub people up the wrong way, and from time to time he acts like a proper berk. But since when was that a crime in Rock (pop) music, as far as I can see most lead singers have huge egos from the 60’s right up to now.

 

I can understand why Scott (Grimly) dislikes them, as to be honest it’s not really his scene (musically) and that’s fine, he has on many occasions criticised this kind of music, whether it’s Coldplay, Keane, or other contempories of today. Maybe they do sound like a watered down version of Echo & Bunnymen or Radiohead, but popular music has been like that for decades. Look how many artists copied the Beatles style, and then Bowie etc etc, that’s what happens when you aspire to be like your musical influences.

 

Coldplay have developed a style of music that has struck a chord with millions of people not only in the UK and the USA but also all over the world. It may not be the edgiest music out there, but it has a place or no one would buy it, but after 4 albums they are still selling bucket loads of albums. Most of the bands in the last 10 years struggle to sell a fraction of what they sell, and are lucky to get to a 3rd album before disappearing out of sight.

 

As various posters have argued quite eloquently (and far better than me), most notably Richard (TIP), they have been not only a commercial success but they have won numerous awards most bands would die for.

 

Whether they will be remembered as a great band 20 years from now, who knows maybe yes maybe not. But to suggest that Razorlight are better beggars belief, and to say even the Saturdays are better is the funniest thing I have heard in ages. Since when was standing up wiggling your butt in 8-inch heels and miming to another person’s lyrics, more talented than 4 guys who write all their own songs and perform live (no miming) on stage. The Saturdays are just fluff, here today gone tomorrow eye candy for teenage males to wet themselves over; it’s certainly not for the musical creativeness of them. :D

 

Give me Coldplay any day to the Saturdays, Razorlight or dross like that.

 

Well to finish, do I like Coldplay, Yes. I have all their albums. Are they the best CD’s in my collection, No. Are they better than the Beatles, Stones, Kinks, etc, no they are not. Are they better than thousands of other bands from the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s, yes they are.

 

Rob, our musical tastes are pretty similar pre 1990, but I have to admit from then we seem to be going on different tangents. :)

 

Finally to show that I can take criticism about them, without resorting to swearing or having a hissy fit :D , here is a video for Rob’s amusement, it’s ok Rob it’s not Chris Martin singing.

http://www.everythingsoundslikecoldplaynow.com/

Very spot on, brian! I don't say that Sats are better but I do like them same as Coldplay. :P

I think you get the "Sats miming" wrong, and there are even worse and more relevant than that (Britney, Mariah, etc.) and no one ever said or thought of that bolded statement. :lol:

I only like Coldplay for the goods (Clocks, Fix You, Speed of Sound, etc.) and not for the bads (Boredom :lol:). :D

woah, WOAH, WOAH.

 

Let me just get this straight, you seem to have some sort of personal hatred over Coldplay, who actually have written decent enjoyable music that is actually good songwriting, yet you like Razor$h!te who are pratically just Coldplay, but a much worser version :mellow:

 

I could see what you were 'getting at' with your arguements in this thread, and can understand your opinon's on Coldplay but honestly how can you like Razor$h!te but have some sort of personal hatred of Coldplay.

Oh and i have noticed one of the many things that you have brought up against Coldplay is how much of a nobend Chris Martin is, and you hold that against them, when we are discussing them from a musical point of view yet 'Johnny Borell being more of a tosser' doesnt effect your opinons on Razor$h!te's music, hypocrite much?

 

no hypocrisy at all..... if i didnt like music because the lead singers a tosser id never have liked the stones (early years), dexys midnight runners (early years), visage, boomtown rats, oasis, etc etc etc... i dont dislike coldplay because chris martins a knobhead, i simply dont like their music.

 

i fail to see the link between razorlight and coldplay, suggesting that razorlight only exist because of coldplay is WRONG. .... i always thought coldplay were copying travis!

 

simple fact.... i personally rate razorlight very highly, i LOVE 'somewhere else' and 'golden touch', i have yet to hear anything by coldplay that i like. obviously most people prefer coldplay, but then again westlife have had more #1s then coldplay... are they better? :lol: popularity doesnt equate to 'good'.

 

I have sat on the fence so far during this discussion topic, and to pick up Jester’s question about other members sitting on the fence I will now jump off. It is clear Mushy (Rob) has a clear distaste for all things Coldplay, but maybe he protests too much, maybe he is a closet Coldplay fan, but doesn’t want to lose his music credibility. I mean its only a few months ago he was bashing the Saturdays at every opportunity and now he is warming to their latest stuff, I do begin to worry about my fellow Retro m8. :)

 

I think it’s more like Rob hates Chris Martin rather than the band, as I bet he cannot name the other 3 members. Now don’t get me wrong, Chris can certainly rub people up the wrong way, and from time to time he acts like a proper berk. But since when was that a crime in Rock (pop) music, as far as I can see most lead singers have huge egos from the 60’s right up to now.

 

I can understand why Scott (Grimly) dislikes them, as to be honest it’s not really his scene (musically) and that’s fine, he has on many occasions criticised this kind of music, whether it’s Coldplay, Keane, or other contempories of today. Maybe they do sound like a watered down version of Echo & Bunnymen or Radiohead, but popular music has been like that for decades. Look how many artists copied the Beatles style, and then Bowie etc etc, that’s what happens when you aspire to be like your musical influences.

 

Coldplay have developed a style of music that has struck a chord with millions of people not only in the UK and the USA but also all over the world. It may not be the edgiest music out there, but it has a place or no one would buy it, but after 4 albums they are still selling bucket loads of albums. Most of the bands in the last 10 years struggle to sell a fraction of what they sell, and are lucky to get to a 3rd album before disappearing out of sight.

 

As various posters have argued quite eloquently (and far better than me), most notably Richard (TIP), they have been not only a commercial success but they have won numerous awards most bands would die for.

 

Whether they will be remembered as a great band 20 years from now, who knows maybe yes maybe not. But to suggest that Razorlight are better beggars belief, and to say even the Saturdays are better is the funniest thing I have heard in ages. Since when was standing up wiggling your butt in 8-inch heels and miming to another person’s lyrics, more talented than 4 guys who write all their own songs and perform live (no miming) on stage. The Saturdays are just fluff, here today gone tomorrow eye candy for teenage males to wet themselves over; it’s certainly not for the musical creativeness of them. :D

 

Give me Coldplay any day to the Saturdays, Razorlight or dross like that.

 

Well to finish, do I like Coldplay, Yes. I have all their albums. Are they the best CD’s in my collection, No. Are they better than the Beatles, Stones, Kinks, etc, no they are not. Are they better than thousands of other bands from the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s, yes they are.

 

Rob, our musical tastes are pretty similar pre 1990, but I have to admit from then we seem to be going on different tangents. :)

 

Finally to show that I can take criticism about them, without resorting to swearing or having a hissy fit :D , here is a video for Rob’s amusement, it’s ok Rob it’s not Chris Martin singing.

http://www.everythingsoundslikecoldplaynow.com/

 

:lol: agreed, we do differ quite noteably post '90. ill check the vid later (time).