Hang on a moment, at the end of the day it is a terminal illness, you say it like she's exploting it and is taking advtange of it as if she's going to be fine at the other end of her interviews. She's not, she's likely going to die, she's making her children some money WHILE SHE STILL CAN.

 

you are spot on.... well said adam :)

 

The whole problem I have with Reality TV is that, while there may be people who are perfectly happy to live out their lives, and quite possibly now, with Jade, their deaths as well, we have to ask ourselves as a society, is it right, is it ethical for the Media to intrude in this manner.....? I personally believe that it is not, and the ethical implications of all this are pretty huge....

 

Cos you just KNOW that there's some utter scumbags out there in the Tabloids and Endemol who would probably just LOVE to film Jade Goody's last moments on earth to get ratings or boost their circulation, and the poor, sad, desperate cow would probably allow them to do it "for her kids' future"...... <_<

 

Craig also makes a pretty salient point about NHS cancer treatments.... The reality is that many cancer sufferers are not being treated at all well.... Surely, this is something which we should be focussing on, not just one minor celeb.....

 

she aint like swaze or richard, her 'fame' is for being in the public eye...ok thats tawdry, detestable even... but she is followed by loads of people especially the young. shareing her grief in public IS a good thing for a person in her position... showing that cancer is no respecter of fame/wealth/sex/age and after carron keating died the number of young women getting checked out went up dramatically (says her mum on tv this morning)

 

Hmmm, interesting topic to the say the least.

 

Firstly, I do not like, nor have I ever liked Jade Goody. The woman has no reason to be famous, is arguably racist, most definitely a bully and I find pretty much everything she does to be in poor taste.

 

However, (like Jade) if I was in her situation and I knew I would potentially be dead within 6 months you damn right I would do every little thing I could to ensure the wealth of my child (well, children - I guess!) regardless of the moral implications. To be frank, I couldn't care less if people thought I was morally bankrupt for selling my story to this tabloid or that tabloid, at the end of the day she's looking after her kids - and that, to me, is instinctively the only thing a mother would do.

 

As for "whoring herself", do you really think that with everything Jade must be feeling now she actually wants to be photographed with no hair? Or telling the entire world how her kids are going to be raised motherless? I would be surprised if the woman can even bare to drag herself out of bed in the morning, let alone actually want to do it because of some sick fascination she has with being famous. Had this been over nothing and she had something to gain (financially or by other means) for herself then I would completely agree with the cynics, but she has absolutely nothing to gain from this. Yeah, sure she'll get plenty of money for splashing her story but is she actually going to be around to enjoy it? Most likely not. So in essence what is she doing? She's ensuring that her family, regardless of what we think of her deadbeat boyfriend or obscure mother, are provided for. They're still Jade's family, even if the public opinion of them is incredibly low - do you know what I mean? It's natural she'll want to provide for them. People can say "ah yeah well get out and get a job" etc, etc. But why work your arse off for minimum wage when you can make a probable 6 figure sum for one interview? That may be a lack of morals, but to me that's common sense.

 

In regards to the media coverage of this - yeah, of course there are moral implications to this. Should the media be covering this? Should Jade be left alone? Yes, she should be - if she wishes to be. Personally, I think Jade is entitled to do whatever she wants to do, as tactless as the British media can be at times I am quite sure that the majority would leave her be if she so wished, out of respect more than anything else. Maybe that's a tad naive of me to think that, but hey whatever.

 

To hit on the topic of "raising awareness" with her earnings from selling her story, again, I think Jade is entitled to do whatever she likes with it. One thing I love is empathy, being able to put yourself in someone elses place and genuinely state what you would do, and again, i'm with Jade. If I had to go through the heartache of splashing my tragic imminent death all over the tabloids to get a bit of extra cash to ensure the well being of my children, would I honestly give it to charity? No, I wouldn't. I, of course, would love to try and raise awareness, but would I honestly take money out of a fund for my motherless children to raise awareness? No, certainly not. I've worked hard "whoring" myself to the media to gain that money and it will go rightfully to my children and family.

 

To re-iterate the first part of my post, I cannot stand Jade Goody. Maybe I see things slightly differently because i'm a parent? I can't say for sure, but that's my honest opinion on the matter. I shall be back to give my counter-arguement later once Scott has replied. :P :heehee:

 

well said stranger! :)

 

my thoughts exactly.... it's a shame for anyone, any age, to be struck down with this foul disease..... :(

 

spot on russ :) i know she aint the sort of person you like but unltimately shes a human being who is in all reality dieing.

 

i think its brave for her to do it in the public eye, its how shes lived for the last 7 years, and to see this 'celeb' <_< going through the pain and suffering must be a good thing, demonstrating that ANYONE can be struck down. if her openess about it saves just 1 other young woman (by scaring her into getting a smear) then its worth it.

Hmmm, interesting topic to the say the least.

 

Firstly, I do not like, nor have I ever liked Jade Goody. The woman has no reason to be famous, is arguably racist, most definitely a bully and I find pretty much everything she does to be in poor taste.

 

However, (like Jade) if I was in her situation and I knew I would potentially be dead within 6 months you damn right I would do every little thing I could to ensure the wealth of my child (well, children - I guess!) regardless of the moral implications. To be frank, I couldn't care less if people thought I was morally bankrupt for selling my story to this tabloid or that tabloid, at the end of the day she's looking after her kids - and that, to me, is instinctively the only thing a mother would do.

 

As for "whoring herself", do you really think that with everything Jade must be feeling now she actually wants to be photographed with no hair? Or telling the entire world how her kids are going to be raised motherless? I would be surprised if the woman can even bare to drag herself out of bed in the morning, let alone actually want to do it because of some sick fascination she has with being famous. Had this been over nothing and she had something to gain (financially or by other means) for herself then I would completely agree with the cynics, but she has absolutely nothing to gain from this. Yeah, sure she'll get plenty of money for splashing her story but is she actually going to be around to enjoy it? Most likely not. So in essence what is she doing? She's ensuring that her family, regardless of what we think of her deadbeat boyfriend or obscure mother, are provided for. They're still Jade's family, even if the public opinion of them is incredibly low - do you know what I mean? It's natural she'll want to provide for them. People can say "ah yeah well get out and get a job" etc, etc. But why work your arse off for minimum wage when you can make a probable 6 figure sum for one interview? That may be a lack of morals, but to me that's common sense.

 

In regards to the media coverage of this - yeah, of course there are moral implications to this. Should the media be covering this? Should Jade be left alone? Yes, she should be - if she wishes to be. Personally, I think Jade is entitled to do whatever she wants to do, as tactless as the British media can be at times I am quite sure that the majority would leave her be if she so wished, out of respect more than anything else. Maybe that's a tad naive of me to think that, but hey whatever.

 

To hit on the topic of "raising awareness" with her earnings from selling her story, again, I think Jade is entitled to do whatever she likes with it. One thing I love is empathy, being able to put yourself in someone elses place and genuinely state what you would do, and again, i'm with Jade. If I had to go through the heartache of splashing my tragic imminent death all over the tabloids to get a bit of extra cash to ensure the well being of my children, would I honestly give it to charity? No, I wouldn't. I, of course, would love to try and raise awareness, but would I honestly take money out of a fund for my motherless children to raise awareness? No, certainly not. I've worked hard "whoring" myself to the media to gain that money and it will go rightfully to my children and family.

 

To re-iterate the first part of my post, I cannot stand Jade Goody. Maybe I see things slightly differently because i'm a parent? I can't say for sure, but that's my honest opinion on the matter. I shall be back to give my counter-arguement later once Scott has replied. :P :heehee:

 

That's a good, well thought out argument kelly, and you'd almost have me convinced if it wasn't for the the fact that it simply does not make the exploitation of this woman and her cancer sit any better with me..... Jade is simply too dim to realise that she's being exploited by these people, and these scumbags are totally preying on the fact that she's "doing it for her family".... Whatever money she's making out of it, you can be damn sure that those in the media are making a damn sight more....

 

I also feel, that as a society, we have to say "enough, this is going too far....".... Honestly, Kelz, do you REALLY want some 'Reality TV' moment where we capture Jade's final moments on earth on her deathbed....? Because, let's face it, this is precisely what Endemol would do if we let them get away with it..... These people have always wanted a piece of her life, now they want a piece of her death as well if they could..... I find it morally and ethically wrong, simple as..... Making facile "entertainment" about a real person's very real terminal illness... Sorry, but some things are simply NOT for public consumption or for the gaze of the camera's eye......

 

I stand by what I said......Although now I blame Jade a lot less, and the Media a lot more, because at the end of the day, these people should know better.... They just dont give a fukk about anything except their ratings or circulations..... This is the road that Reality TV and Celeb Culture has led us down IMO, it is poisonous, it is corrosive, it is unethical.....#

 

Just to go on a tangent for a mo.... You ever hear of the now notorious experiments into human behaviour which took place on a US college campus in the early 70s, where a clinical psychologist took a group of students, one half he made prisoners, the other half guards, he built a makeshift "prison" in the college basement.... Things started off well enough, but the psychologist became a bit concerned that nothing was really happening, he then sought to "manipulate" events and up the ante by getting the "guards" to do something and see how the "prisoners" reacted.... Then things started to spiral, get more and more out of control, the psychologist then upped the ante more, events got even more out of control, and now a very real "prison riot" scenario was taking place... The "guards" then reacted with more brutality, people almost DIED, and probably would have if a colleague of the psychologist hadn't stepped in and brought him back to his senses......

 

Needless to say, no such experiments were ever conducted again in the name of psychology, as they became accepted as being totally unethical and as a study completely worthless because of the fact that the psychologist had manipulated events, therefore any data would be considered tainted and invalid....

 

Does this sound familiar....? Cos it sounds to me exactly like what Big Brother's been doing for about the past 7 or 8 years, upping the ante, manipulating events, making things spiral almost out of control...... So, something that is considered to be totally unethical and invalid in the very field for which it was created, is considered perfectly okay for "entertainment"....

 

Think about it.....

i think its brave for her to do it in the public eye, its how shes lived for the last 7 years, and to see this 'celeb' <_< going through the pain and suffering must be a good thing, demonstrating that ANYONE can be struck down. if her openess about it saves just 1 other young woman (by scaring her into getting a smear) then its worth it.

 

I'll say to you what I said to Kelly.... That's a very pretty and "purple" prose way of justifying exploitation mate.....

 

You cant compare the Jade situation to Caron Keating.... Keating managed to keep the media at arms length while at the same time raising awareness of the issues..... Jade seems simply not intelligent enough to do so, and she probably could be convinced into letting some nasty, exploitative "death bed" style Reality Show take place.....

 

When Gunther Von Hagen did his "live autopsy" thing, he was a medical doctor seeking to demystify the forensic processes and, into the bargain, attempt to expose the inaccuracies being put across by progs such as CSI.... In short, there was an actual point to what Von Hagen was doing... I see no such point or anything of value in making "entertainment" out of the terminal illness of a young woman....

She might still recover, Lance Armstrong had secondary tumours in his brain, lungs and other areas and still survived to win several Tour De France races so I think it is too early to write Jade off yet

 

Interesting post Kelly, very intelligent and well thought out etc but Jade has £5m in the bank, drives a Bentley that she only bought 3 months ago, owns a salon business and another perfume business too so the kids are never going to go short so there is no need for her to act the way she is doing by cheapening herself to grab every little bit of money while she still can

I hate Jade Goody. She's an example of everything that is wrong with society today. However, cancer is a horrible thing, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, especially when it's terminal. Being without child I can't exactly comment on being willing to exploit my last few months to solidify its inheritance, but if I was in her position and I had sixth months to live, I'd live every day as if it were my last, which I am presuming she is doing. If she wants to sell photos of her going bald and make a reality show about her dying, so be it.

That's an interesting view-point from Kelly the perspective of a parent but I still can't understand it.

 

I honestly find this whole thing rather disgusting and a huge smack in the face to the people who suffer from cancer. Jade has made more than enough money to last her children a lifetime. She doesn't need to be whoring out to every magazine available. Time spent doing these interviews and photoshoots should have been f***ing spent with her family. I hardly think her children are going to be appreciative of any of these 'my cancer hell' headlines in a few years when looking back. I think her two f***ing kids would rather have their mum than be secure financially. Like money is going to make the situation any better :/

 

It actually makes me nearly CRY with anger everytime I see her face thesedays. I lost a parent to exactly the same thing and like I said it's just a huge insult imo. She needs to just spend time with her family not living it in the public eye like she has for the last I dunno 5 year? Absolutely no dignity and completely shameless she is it would seem.

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That's a good, well thought out argument kelly, and you'd almost have me convinced if it wasn't for the the fact that it simply does not make the exploitation of this woman and her cancer sit any better with me..... Jade is simply too dim to realise that she's being exploited by these people, and these scumbags are totally preying on the fact that she's "doing it for her family".... Whatever money she's making out of it, you can be damn sure that those in the media are making a damn sight more....

 

I also feel, that as a society, we have to say "enough, this is going too far....".... Honestly, Kelz, do you REALLY want some 'Reality TV' moment where we capture Jade's final moments on earth on her deathbed....? Because, let's face it, this is precisely what Endemol would do if we let them get away with it..... These people have always wanted a piece of her life, now they want a piece of her death as well if they could..... I find it morally and ethically wrong, simple as..... Making facile "entertainment" about a real person's very real terminal illness... Sorry, but some things are simply NOT for public consumption or for the gaze of the camera's eye......

 

I stand by what I said......Although now I blame Jade a lot less, and the Media a lot more, because at the end of the day, these people should know better.... They just dont give a fukk about anything except their ratings or circulations..... This is the road that Reality TV and Celeb Culture has led us down IMO, it is poisonous, it is corrosive, it is unethical.....#

 

Just to go on a tangent for a mo.... You ever hear of the now notorious experiments into human behaviour which took place on a US college campus in the early 70s, where a clinical psychologist took a group of students, one half he made prisoners, the other half guards, he built a makeshift "prison" in the college basement.... Things started off well enough, but the psychologist became a bit concerned that nothing was really happening, he then sought to "manipulate" events and up the ante by getting the "guards" to do something and see how the "prisoners" reacted.... Then things started to spiral, get more and more out of control, the psychologist then upped the ante more, events got even more out of control, and now a very real "prison riot" scenario was taking place... The "guards" then reacted with more brutality, people almost DIED, and probably would have if a colleague of the psychologist hadn't stepped in and brought him back to his senses......

 

Needless to say, no such experiments were ever conducted again in the name of psychology, as they became accepted as being totally unethical and as a study completely worthless because of the fact that the psychologist had manipulated events, therefore any data would be considered tainted and invalid....

 

Does this sound familiar....? Cos it sounds to me exactly like what Big Brother's been doing for about the past 7 or 8 years, upping the ante, manipulating events, making things spiral almost out of control...... So, something that is considered to be totally unethical and invalid in the very field for which it was created, is considered perfectly okay for "entertainment"....

 

Think about it.....

 

By your high standards Scott.

 

This is definitely one of your best ever posts.

 

The notorious experiment you were thinking of was Stanford_prison_experiment

 

Which was so potent & toxic, it was never turned into a US Hollywood movie. Yet it was left to the Germans tio use it as its inspiration for the award winning movie Das Experiment (2001).

 

This is exactly what Endemol did with Big Brother after Series 4. Since then it has been a turn off.

 

She might still recover, Lance Armstrong had secondary tumours in his brain, lungs and other areas and still survived to win several Tour De France races so I think it is too early to write Jade off yet

 

Interesting post Kelly, very intelligent and well thought out etc but Jade has £5m in the bank, drives a Bentley that she only bought 3 months ago, owns a salon business and another perfume business too so the kids are never going to go short so there is no need for her to act the way she is doing by cheapening herself to grab every little bit of money while she still can

 

However Lance Armstrong was an ultra fit athlete at the time of his illness, so he used his strength to fight the disease, and not to make a TV documentary & tabloid newspaper interviews.

 

I don't think she has £5 million. It is nearer to £2 to £2.5 million according to recent reports. But it is a good point well made. Which is why I find her recent appearances in the media very sad, diisturbing and depressing & totally lacking in decency.

The way I see it she's a public figure (not a well-liked or especially valid one, but one all the same) so of COURSE she has the right to tell magazines what's going on with her illness. The tone of it isn't especially PITY ME, just factual. I don't think she's milking it, the media just want to know and she's telling them. If she kept schtum people would be reading all sorts of nonsense like 'JADE HAS DAYS TO LIVE' or 'JADE CURED' any of which could be pretty upsetting for her...

poor kiddies.

cancer is always a scary tale and affects so many people,,,jade has never bothered me i enjoyed her in big brother and since then i really dont mind if she is or isnt on tv,but my heart goes out to her she is only 27 years old and has so much to live for her its tough for herself her family and especially on her sons,it really strikes a chord with me as i have a daughter myself and granted i am 4 years older than jade but i know if that was me knowing i would never see my daughter grow up i would be so devastated.i hope things arent has gloom as reported but i would like to wish her all th ebest and i hope to god she can fight on

The way I see it she's a public figure (not a well-liked or especially valid one, but one all the same) so of COURSE she has the right to tell magazines what's going on with her illness. The tone of it isn't especially PITY ME, just factual. I don't think she's milking it, the media just want to know and she's telling them. If she kept schtum people would be reading all sorts of nonsense like 'JADE HAS DAYS TO LIVE' or 'JADE CURED' any of which could be pretty upsetting for her...

 

I agree - plus, the number of women going for early screening tests has increased dramatically since the news of Jade's illness has become public - so if only one woman can be spared this illness because of the publicity surrounding Goody... well, it's got to be a good thing, surely?

I agree - plus, the number of women going for early screening tests has increased dramatically since the news of Jade's illness has become public - so if only one woman can be spared this illness because of the publicity surrounding Goody... well, it's got to be a good thing, surely?

 

exactly..... her life is one of a media whore, unpleasant though it is, being public about it has encouraged her 'followers' to do something positive about cancer.

anything that can prevent even 1 person of cancer can only be good and im sure jade been so public could save many

11:34 GMT, Saturday, 14 February 2009

Jade Goody 'has months to live'

BBC News

 

Jade Goody has been told she has only months to live, her publicist Max Clifford has said.

 

Mr Clifford said doctors at the Royal Marsden Hospital in London broke the news to the former reality television star on Friday.

The mother-of-two is now getting her affairs in order and making plans for her sons' future, he added.

 

Last week Goody underwent a successful operation to remove a cancerous tumour from her bowel.

Mr Clifford said: "She was aware that the cancer had spread but they said unfortunately it was a question now of when rather than if and when she pressed them as to how long she'd got, they said 'months'."

 

The 27-year-old learned last week that cervical cancer diagnosed in 2008 had spread to her bowel, liver and groin.

Mr Clifford said her family were trying to cope after finding out her cancer had become terminal.

 

He also said Goody's boyfriend Jack Tweed had proposed to her in hospital after receiving the news.

"It's been very difficult for Jack, he proposed to her yesterday and they are going to be getting married as soon as possible," said Mr Clifford.

 

"Both boys are going to be christened also, Jade is taking control of the situation.

"She's being incredibly brave and positive about all of this."

 

Experimental drugs

 

He said Goody would have to explain to her children - Freddy, aged five and four-year-old Bobby - the severity of her condition.

Mr Clifford added that Goody was hoping to spend a few days away from the Royal Marsden next week to be at her Essex home with her family.

 

Goody is understood to have been receiving an experimental drug to fight her illness.

Topotecan, which is still being tested in the UK, has been used in cases when patients have not responded to other medicines.

 

Goody has already undergone chemotherapy to combat the disease.

Speaking after surgery on 6 February, she said: "The hard truth is I'd be dead if they hadn't cleared the blockage in my bowel.

"The tumour made me constipated and caused my body to start bloating.

"My biggest fear was that I would have to have a colostomy bag."

 

Goody has continued to appear on television and speak to the press throughout her treatment.

Oh dear. :( That's not good news, I feel so bad for her and her family.

There was only ever going to be one outcome to this once it spread to her liver

 

 

 

Poor Jade. I do hope this can make a suprise but its looking really impossible :cry:

There was only ever going to be one outcome to this once it spread to her liver

Your symapthy underwhelms me.

 

Regardless of her media 'career', the woman is dying and two young children will be without their mother. Some respect for what she is going through (and others in the same situation) is warranted I think.

Your symapthy underwhelms me.

 

Regardless of her media 'career', the woman is dying and two young children will be without their mother. Some respect for what she is going through (and others in the same situation) is warranted I think.

 

I have already said in this thread that I hope she pulls through and makes a full recovery regardless of my dislike of the woman