Completely agree with Craig on this - it's a bloody outrage not only the wage that they're on [more than even most graduates will probably make per year], but the fact that they brought London to it's knees, from the city/canary wharf, to people going to normal work, to just regular people and tourists. The amount of money lost because of these strikes is inexcusable. Tbh the vast majority of people nowadays have no need to strike. I can understand why people did it in the past, but it's selfish now, they should just lose their jobs. I'm sure it wont be hard to find people who would kill for them and wouldn't strike.

Yeah it can't be that hard to train a tube driver so sack all strikers on the spot and let them try to get 41k elsewhere if they can!

Agreed BA. It's time he was brought down a peg or two. :angry:

 

but scragill was RIGHT, thatcher LIED. he is owed one huge apology.

Yeah it can't be that hard to train a tube driver so sack all strikers on the spot and let them try to get 41k elsewhere if they can!

 

why dont YOU do it then?

 

the other poster was right, you dont have the right to comment on things you dont do... you dont work, you cant be arsed to work, youve played the 'illness' card too long, how DARE you try to criticise people how DO work to keep idle bstrds like YOU in benefits...

You make it sound as if I'm not a UK Citizen and have no rights to comment on anything. :rolleyes:

 

 

Think I'll go on posting strike in this section again like I did before as my opinions count for nothing so there's no point me sharing them with you all. :(

Edited June 15, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

You make it sound as if I'm not a UK Citizen and have no rights to comment on anything. :rolleyes:

Think I'll go on posting strike in this section again like I did before as my opinions count for nothing so there's no point me sharing them with you all. :(

 

You are a total disgrace; how DARE you criticise people who actually work for their living when you’re a bone-idle waste of space. Plebs like you, are the cancer, which is destroying this country.

 

Since when has just being a UK citizen simply entitled anyone to a free ride at the tax payers expense?! Shame on you! :manson:

 

A third of the population will experience clinical depression in their lifetimes, however the vast majority of them seek help and get on with their lives earning a living not leeching off the hardworking.

 

I would love to see the long-term scroungers and council scum put to work picking up litter for their benefits and see how many suddenly found the drive to find employment!

To answer the question posted, maybe we don't but I'm not sure how wise it'd be to get of tube drivers now, when the economy is in its current state. How much would it be offset by people being employed to make sure a new system runs smoothly? And I'm sure that most of the new technology would be imported, because its cheaper! I certainly don't think striking should ever be made illegal, or should be stopped. I'm not sure how much I agree with striking over 5% though when inflation is 0.5% and so many people are having their pay remain the same at best...

 

I also feel disgusted that some of my personal

20%+

payrise will go to Crazy Chris. :(

Edited June 15, 200916 yr by RabbitFurCoat

So they wanted 5% more in a recession to push a few buttons. Pff!

 

Whilst I agree they need air con desperately, I'm not sure whether I'd prefer an automated system. I always like to have that human touch in things, that human judgement that systems can't comprehend. Systems may remove human error from the quation, but systems (sepecially those with Windows :kink:) do fail.

Completely agree with Craig on this - it's a bloody outrage not only the wage that they're on [more than even most graduates will probably make per year], but the fact that they brought London to it's knees, from the city/canary wharf, to people going to normal work, to just regular people and tourists. The amount of money lost because of these strikes is inexcusable. Tbh the vast majority of people nowadays have no need to strike. I can understand why people did it in the past, but it's selfish now, they should just lose their jobs. I'm sure it wont be hard to find people who would kill for them and wouldn't strike.

 

And that post sums up EVERYTHING that I'm talking about... "Oh, people should be grateful for whatever job and just take being shafted and poor conditions"... FUKK OFF they should.... Are you a student/unemployed....? If so, then you frankly have not a bloody clue what you're talking about and you certainly have no idea of the people who in history FOUGHT for you to have rights at work and be treated with decency and respect which you seem to be incredibly blase about.... Should working people just be all meek and mild and just take what they're given....? Yeah, we'll just erode all the things that the Labour movement fought for, and go back to the 18th/19th Centuries when people were working under workhouse and sweatshop conditions..... <_<

 

Yes, the tube drivers ARE well paid and in quite an enviable position, but the reason they are is because they dont sit back and take any old cr@p... Maybe if YOU were a bit more fukkin' active in your workplace and got proper workers' representation, they YOU'D be in a similar position to these guys.... DONT BLAME THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES WHEN YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A WIMP TO DO THE SAME.....

 

Am I not allowed opinions on anything just because I'm unable to work through no fault of my own? I have an inquiring mind and have every right to state my opinions. My wife uses the tube just Wednesdays and her journey took twice as long, even though the Jubilee line was running.

 

The Jubilee Line is currently undergoing pretty extensive engineering work and is closed or part closed just about EVERY SODDING WEEKEND..... :lol: :lol: So, frankly, I'm not surprised that it occasionally runs slowly...... :P

 

You have an "inquiring mind" do you.....? So how about you actually make your "inquiries" someplace other than The Scum then mate.....?

 

but scragill was RIGHT, thatcher LIED. he is owed one huge apology.

 

He's also owed Ian McGregor's bloody Knighthood...... :lol:

 

Am I not allowed opinions on anything just because I'm unable to work through no fault of my own? I have an inquiring mind and have every right to state my opinions. My wife uses the tube just Wednesdays and her journey took twice as long, even though the Jubilee line was running. So if it affects someone close to me I have every right to comment and also as a London resident. It should be illegal to strike for anything more than 1% over the current rate of inflation. That seems fair to me.

i said you had no ethical right you idiot.

And that post sums up EVERYTHING that I'm talking about... "Oh, people should be grateful for whatever job and just take being shafted and poor conditions"... FUKK OFF they should.... Are you a student/unemployed....? If so, then you frankly have not a bloody clue what you're talking about and you certainly have no idea of the people who in history FOUGHT for you to have rights at work and be treated with decency and respect which you seem to be incredibly blase about.... Should working people just be all meek and mild and just take what they're given....? Yeah, we'll just erode all the things that the Labour movement fought for, and go back to the 18th/19th Centuries when people were working under workhouse and sweatshop conditions..... <_<

 

Yes, the tube drivers ARE well paid and in quite an enviable position, but the reason they are is because they dont sit back and take any old cr@p... Maybe if YOU were a bit more fukkin' active in your workplace and got proper workers' representation, they YOU'D be in a similar position to these guys.... DONT BLAME THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES WHEN YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A WIMP TO DO THE SAME.....

I was empolyed back home and i am in full agreement with him.

 

Strike over 5% when you are underpaid not when you are hugely overpaid. They are nothing more than a bunch of greedy f***ing c**ts.

 

 

They should have some morals they are striking when some people don't have jobs. They are harming other peoples chances of getting into their work to do their jobs putting their lives on the line. They should take 2% be f***ing overjoyed they still have a job and get back to f***ing work.

 

If i was the LU i'd bring in ACAS or sack the f***ing lot of them

If i was the LU i'd bring in ACAS or sack the f***ing lot of them

 

ACAS was already there mate..... No offence Phil, but you really know nothing about this issue, you're thousands of miles away and totally detached to the situation.... A deal WAS on the table and was in the process of being drafted out and copied, then management reneged at the 11th hour.... More than likely somone got a phone call from "Mayor Boris"..... <_<

 

Management reneged - their fault the strike happened IMO..... -_-

 

They should have some morals they are striking when some people don't have jobs. They are harming other peoples chances of getting into their work to do their jobs putting their lives on the line.

 

And just what the fukk should they have morals for, when the likes of the Fat Cats, over-paid media scum like Johnathan Ross, Chris Moyles and Piers Morgan, and politicians clearly DONT.....?? I know two wrongs dont make a right, but all things considered, the "wrongs" of the tube drivers, and working class people in general, are a hell of a lot more understandable given the circumstances we live in these days.....

 

ACAS was already there mate..... No offence Phil, but you really know nothing about this issue, you're thousands of miles away and totally detached to the situation.... A deal WAS on the table and was in the process of being drafted out and copied, then management reneged at the 11th hour.... More than likely somone got a phone call from "Mayor Boris"..... <_<

 

Management reneged - their fault the strike happened IMO..... -_-

From my business lessons, iirc an ACAS deal is mandatory is it not? Which would put the managers in the wrong for saying no.

 

 

I still don't agree with the action they are taking. Strike is not the only form of industrial action. These people are being f***ing greedy. end of.

 

I haven't read the press bull$h!te, but from the last tube strike overage on the BBC i know they got a pretty sweet deal, and to ask for more in the middle of the worlds worst economic downturn is immoral and unethical. I despise the media hypocrisy and the way we are force fed what ever the editor believes as much as you do, but surely you can see that while they have the right to strike, they shouldn't be doing it. They earn to much to be working class, they are by definition, lower middle class btw.

 

1] 5% in a recession is lunacy. If i was the LU i wouldn't give them the time of f***ing day for asking for that much in a recession.

 

2] There are other forms of industrial action. Did they try work to rule, an overtime ban etc. before striking. At school i was always thought that striking was the thing you did last. Not when talks break down at the 11th hour. You'd kill overtime, p*** them off a little, make them see you're serious and that you are unhappy talks broke down. Then if all else fails and you are unable to make an agreement and ACAS hasn't been brought in. Then you strike. Do you really think LU are going to be open to a compromise? They have a bottom line to think about, these greedy gits have cost the company millions, and now they've gone on strike for an over the top pay demand. LU are not going to be in the most co-operative of moods and i can empathise with them being a business student.

 

 

I may be 15,000+ miles away, but i do have a strong business background. Strong enough to comment on an industrial relations case. For the record i have done some reading on BBC, and i would be in full support of the strikers if they weren't being so f***ing greedy. 2-3% they'd have my full backing and support.

In my opinion all workers should get a pay rise matching exactly the rate of inflation every year. If the cost of living has gone up by that amount then that's what's needed. Pensions and benefits only go up by the current rate of inflation so it should be the same for everyone. A law should be introduced making strikes illegal for pay claims any higher than the rate of inflation.

Edited June 17, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

From my business lessons, iirc an ACAS deal is mandatory is it not? Which would put the managers in the wrong for saying no.

I still don't agree with the action they are taking. Strike is not the only form of industrial action. These people are being f***ing greedy. end of.

 

I haven't read the press bull$h!te, but from the last tube strike overage on the BBC i know they got a pretty sweet deal, and to ask for more in the middle of the worlds worst economic downturn is immoral and unethical. I despise the media hypocrisy and the way we are force fed what ever the editor believes as much as you do, but surely you can see that while they have the right to strike, they shouldn't be doing it. They earn to much to be working class, they are by definition, lower middle class btw.

 

1] 5% in a recession is lunacy. If i was the LU i wouldn't give them the time of f***ing day for asking for that much in a recession.

 

2] There are other forms of industrial action. Did they try work to rule, an overtime ban etc. before striking. At school i was always thought that striking was the thing you did last. Not when talks break down at the 11th hour. You'd kill overtime, p*** them off a little, make them see you're serious and that you are unhappy talks broke down. Then if all else fails and you are unable to make an agreement and ACAS hasn't been brought in. Then you strike. Do you really think LU are going to be open to a compromise? They have a bottom line to think about, these greedy gits have cost the company millions, and now they've gone on strike for an over the top pay demand. LU are not going to be in the most co-operative of moods and i can empathise with them being a business student.

I may be 15,000+ miles away, but i do have a strong business background. Strong enough to comment on an industrial relations case. For the record i have done some reading on BBC, and i would be in full support of the strikers if they weren't being so f***ing greedy. 2-3% they'd have my full backing and support.

 

In UK, you cant strike unless you have a ballot of union members... So obviously a vote must've actually taken place otherwise it would be an illegal strike... I'm pretty sure the tube workers would've exhausted all those other options, but the fact remains, that the strike was voted on, so a democratic process has taken place before action was called, whether you happen to agree with it or not.....

 

I think this probably could have been avoided tbh, I think questions need to be asked about Mayor Boris' involvement in this..... I get the impression his fingerprints are on this and that he was interfering with the process....

 

In UK, you cant strike unless you have a ballot of union members... So obviously a vote must've actually taken place otherwise it would be an illegal strike... I'm pretty sure the tube workers would've exhausted all those other options, but the fact remains, that the strike was voted on, so a democratic process has taken place before action was called, whether you happen to agree with it or not.....

 

I think this probably could have been avoided tbh, I think questions need to be asked about Mayor Boris' involvement in this..... I get the impression his fingerprints are on this and that he was interfering with the process....

Oh i know it'll be a legal strike, the unions always say "a ballot of members..." when they announce how long they are striking for. As i said i do have business background :P

 

There's no doubt it could have been avoided, most strikes if not all of them could have been avoided. Does LU fall under Boris' jurisdiction. If so then i think you are very correct. He could be influencing the LU point of View, which if it is his jurisdiction he'd have the right to do so [having the right to do something doesn't make it moral/ethical tho] if he had no jurisdiction, surely that would be illegal?

In my opinion all workers should get a pay rise matching exactly the rate of inflation every year. If the cost of living has gone up by that amount then that's what's needed. Pensions and benefits only go up by the current rate of inflation so it should be the same for everyone. A law should be introduced making strikes illegal for pay claims any higher than the rate of inflation.

 

if only the real world worked like that..... chris, its alot more complicated then that... theres changes in working practices, modernisation, productivity, legally binding contracts/laws etc to take into account.

 

the real way to beat inflation is to increase output to pay for increased wages, otherwise we would all be on an ever increasing spiral of higher and higher cost of living.