Just want to reiterate something here:

 

The winner of XX/host of XXI is politely asked to not open the reservation thread until the moderators of the BJSC forum give them permission to do so. This is a one-off event due to an announcement which will be made by the moderators after the results of XX which involves the reservation system, and as such it is paramount that it not be opened until the announcement has been given and allowed time for response. If the reservation thread is opened prior to permission being given, it will be closed and all reservations made will be null and void. Thank you

Sorry. To be honest, I completely forgot about that :drama:

Not sure what to say about this announcement tbh. I don't care that much about 1st and 2nd singles of certain AFs. But whatever, as you wish. ^_^

To be honest I think it's a bit of a pointless rule, as the songs that fit into that catagory that have done well in the contest could probably be counted on one hand, but as it doesn't affect anything I'll ever be sending I don't care.

 

It just complicates things tbh

Edited September 14, 200915 yr by Peter30

this definitely won't affect me, but I do think that all AF forum artists 1st/2nd singles should be banned if any at all are going to be...Beverley Knight may not have many fans but the ones who do love her will instantly give any single of hers that is sent a 12 hence giving it an instant advantage over everything else :heehee:

 

ban them all or none at all, otherwise it will be impossible and unfair to determine what should and shouldn't be allowed

Its a bit pointless imo. People should be allowed to enter what they want and its not like people were lining up to enter Cheryl Cole or Alex Burke anyway.

 

ENTERING THE THIRD AND FOURTH SINGLES OFF THE SATS ALBUMS FTW!!!

People should be able to enter what they want out of the songs that haven't already been in BJSC and if people thinks they are too cheap don't vote for them.

I think if you're going to ban them...then at least ban them all.

SHUT UP ROB!

This hasn't been explained quite as clearly as I would have liked, but anyway, here are my main points:

 

1 - People are claiming that this ban is pointless as these songs never win etc. - HOWEVER, this doesn't necessarily account for the fact that a lot of them do fairly well - essentially a top ten guarantee? Are people really so naive as to believe that had Alexandra Burke been sent to XX that she wouldn't have come top ten, to say nothing of top five/three? Ditto Cheryl Cole etc. - and I know people are saying 'oh, people have the sense to not send these things', but there are countless examples within the contest where someone has just walked in (and not just newbies :P) and sent something/intended to send something ridiculous - Torchwood intending to send Dance Wiv Me (doesn't fit into the rule, but mentioned for illustration), Simondly sending So What, JRK-off only just missing out on My Life Would Suck Without You, Simondly sending Love Story (again, only mentioned for illustration) - so what's to stop it from happening again? If people have the sense not to do it, then what harm at all is caused by legislating against it? In any case, this stops the MONTHLY headache where someone decides to be a bore and announce themselves to be sending hype single x to the next contest, then we enter the monthly rigmarole when someone with sense blocks it from being sent by reserving it and we get the monthly 'sad and childish' lecture from people who insist upon sending songs which really bring no benefit whatsoever to the contest...

2 - The exceptions clause has been fairly poorly explained (no offence intended Phil :P). In order to gain an exception for an artist you must apply to the mods for a decision on whether the song is allowed or not. If 3 out of 4 of us believe that the song's entry would not harm the contest, then we can give dispensation - or it could go to a vote or whatever if there's THAT much controversy over it (although if it's that controversial I doubt it would pass the mod test tbh :heehee:)

3 - This one's aimed mainly at Rich's comment earlier - your comment regarding Beverley Knight is rather horrifically reminiscent of the arguments for the NF ban. Just saying, y'know, not everyone's that slavish and these songs aren't necessarily cheap for having a few fans, hence the exceptions on occasion :P

In my opinion the rule is stupid...

People should be able to send WHATEVER song to the contest they like and there should be NO barriers.

But that's just my poinion.

It's like the stupid covers rule...i wanted to send The Feelings version of Video Killed The Radio Star because i love it and thought it was and improvement on the original. I couldn't purely because it was a cover. :mellow:

People should have the sense to introduce people to new music...but if people really wanted to make it just one huge cheap-fest...i'm sure it would have been done by now...

Personally...i don't really give a toss if Sexy Bitch [/random #1 hit from the last month] won...as long as i'm being introduced to new music, and above all, HAVING FUN...why do i care what order the songs come in???

I introduced Remi Nicole, introduced her to however many people didn't know her before in the semi, i'm pleased with that.

Sometimes i feel this contest is just TOO strict. I loved it when the NF rule was lifted...but now its going back to super-strict ways with the waiting list/limitations on songs.

 

* A cover of a song that had already been entered in reference to The Feeling.

Edited September 14, 200915 yr by Brokeback Dan

2 - The exceptions clause has been fairly poorly explained (no offence intended Phil :P). In order to gain an exception for an artist you must apply to the mods for a decision on whether the song is allowed or not. If 3 out of 4 of us believe that the song's entry would not harm the contest, then we can give dispensation - or it could go to a vote or whatever if there's THAT much controversy over it (although if it's that controversial I doubt it would pass the mod test tbh :heehee:)

 

that's ridiculous, and this is where I think that the mods have far more power over the contest than they should have...a mod should oversee and patrol the forum, not act as some sort of X Factor judge over the song choices...:lol: why should anyone PM somebody to ask for permission to use a song :rofl: and nobody should have the power to decide what is and isn't an acceptable entry, if there are strict and clear rules and guidelines in place then fair enough but this 'PM me and I'll tell you if it's eligible for the contest' approach is very offputting, why should 4 people have the final say in what is and isn't an acceptable entry :unsure: maybe I need it explained to me a bit better but I really don't like that at all, even though I wouldn't ever be in a situation where my entry would need to go through a cheap filter first :lol:

 

fair enough about Beverley though, but it does seem that whenever she's sent, Simondly, Quotosibb and Lorikeet (delete as applicable which one is sending her) are queueing up to give her the 12 :heehee: I guess it looks the same with me and the NF entries though seeing as I gave 10 to both Alcazar and Tone...I do think that ALL AF's should be included in this rule though (or none at all) not just those selected by the mods...otherwise it's just as bad as the previous intended rule of only disallowing UK, Irish and Swedish NF entries from BJSC...

2 - The exceptions clause has been fairly poorly explained (no offence intended Phil :P). In order to gain an exception for an artist you must apply to the mods for a decision on whether the song is allowed or not. If 3 out of 4 of us believe that the song's entry would not harm the contest, then we can give dispensation - or it could go to a vote or whatever if there's THAT much controversy over it (although if it's that controversial I doubt it would pass the mod test tbh :heehee:)

none taken, i did say you'd come and explain it all better :lol:

 

 

 

Oh and for people saying people know better than to enter this stuff. Exhibit A: Lorikeet.

 

And people do vote for the songs and they are an easy hit. Exhibit B: Forever Is Over - 111pts, 11th.

 

Just using the most recent example.

that's ridiculous, and this is where I think that the mods have far more power over the contest than they should have...a mod should oversee and patrol the forum, not act as some sort of X Factor judge over the song choices...:lol: why should anyone PM somebody to ask for permission to use a song :rofl: and nobody should have the power to decide what is and isn't an acceptable entry, if there are strict and clear rules and guidelines in place then fair enough but this 'PM me and I'll tell you if it's eligible for the contest' approach is very offputting, why should 4 people have the final say in what is and isn't an acceptable entry :unsure: maybe I need it explained to me a bit better but I really don't like that at all, even though I wouldn't ever be in a situation where my entry would need to go through a cheap filter first :lol:

 

fair enough about Beverley though, but it does seem that whenever she's sent, Simondly, Quotosibb and Lorikeet (delete as applicable which one is sending her) are queueing up to give her the 12 :heehee: I guess it looks the same with me and the NF entries though seeing as I gave 10 to both Alcazar and Tone...I do think that ALL AF's should be included in this rule though (or none at all) not just those selected by the mods...otherwise it's just as bad as the previous intended rule of only disallowing UK, Irish and Swedish NF entries from BJSC...

I did mention the use of the vote, but given I was writing all three of those points at once and flitting between them all I didn't explain the voting clause properly :heehee: If it does show that popular opinion despiseth so the idea of having the mods decide it could go to a vote, but for rather obvious reasons (i.e. people taking advantage of it and claiming Cheryl Cole/SuBo/insert own example here to be uncheap, thereby sending it to a vote which would rather easily go in favour of it being sent due to the rather oddly vocal group in favour of anything being sent which is all too happy to repeat the now tired quip of sending Umbrella next time) and reasons of timing we're obviously not too keen on having too many votes. Perhaps having a PM requesting that it be put to a vote and we decide if they're just taking liberties or if they actually have a leg to stand on with the request?

 

Essentially, they are all banned with occasional exceptions where requested (I don't think anyone would argue blink-182's new output when it arrives to be amazingly cheap, do you? :P), if you see what I mean?

 

And Dan, while we can appreciate that you would consider this to be strict, the waiting list isn't at all us tightening regulations on the contest, just keeping it to manageable levels so people can actually qualify and we don't descend into constant bitching when people find it so hard to qualify with semis of 25+ and then go cheap/er as a result...

In my opinion the rule is stupid...

People should be able to send WHATEVER song to the contest they like and there should be NO barriers.

But that's just my poinion.

It's like the stupid covers rule...i wanted to send The Feelings version of Video Killed The Radio Star because i love it and thought it was and improvement on the original. I couldn't purely because it was a cover. :mellow:

People should have the sense to introduce people to new music...but if people really wanted to make it just one huge cheap-fest...i'm sure it would have been done by now...

Personally...i don't really give a toss if Sexy Bitch [/random #1 hit from the last month] won...as long as i'm being introduced to new music, and above all, HAVING FUN...why do i care what order the songs come in???

I introduced Remi Nicole, introduced her to however many people didn't know her before in the semi, i'm pleased with that.

Sometimes i feel this contest is just TOO strict. I loved it when the NF rule was lifted...but now its going back to super-strict ways with the waiting list/limitations on songs.

 

* A cover of a song that had already been entered in reference to The Feeling.

OH, and with regards to the covers thing, we are actually in the process of refining the rules at the moment, although it's mainly behind-the-scenes discussion at the moment. We have said several times that if you have any disputes or suggestions with regards to rules or potential changes then you're free to contribute them and they will be seriously considered...

fair enough, but I do still think that they should all be banned to make it fair otherwise the rules just become far too blurred, and it would then save the hassle of all this PM'ing the mods to check what is and isn't allowed...and if and when Blink 182 finally decide to release a comeback single, it's likely to be a rather big deal, hardly the sort of song we'll be able to avoid, so sending it to BJSC would be just as unnecessary as sending the Sugababes comeback in that they'd hardly be introducing a song to somebody who wouldn't have otherwise heard it...

 

do Aaron and James both agree with every aspect of this rule change, I'm quite surprised as I would have thought they'd have been amongst the crowd most vocally against something like this :o

do Aaron and James both agree with every aspect of this rule change, I'm quite surprised as I would have thought they'd have been amongst the crowd most vocally against something like this :o

Maybe they are :kink:

James agreed with the concept, his only problem was a potential massive backlash which we managed to quell with the compromise of the exception clause...

Maybe they are :kink:

 

I was just surprised that they were supporting an anti-cheap rule seeing as James and Aaron are both quite keen on sending future UK #1's to this contest :kink:

I was just surprised that they were supporting an anti-cheap rule seeing as James and Aaron are both quite keen on sending future UK #1's to this contest :kink:

:heehee: Indeed!

 

But the rule implies only AF artists? :unsure: Can i send, for example, 3OH!3 ft. Katy Perry - Starstrukk to the next contest? :unsure: Technically it's not the song in the release schedule. Not that i consider it anyway :heehee: