Rather upsettingly, that seems to not really work, as evidenced by Alejandro just finishing 7th :(

I gave my 12 to Alejandro just because I like the song very much and I'm happy that Ben entered it. My 10 went to Marina...and she was kinda unknown for me. I remember her other songs which were entered previously but I didn't like them. But this song is very good and definately not cheap for me.

 

If you hate cheap songs don't vote for it. If it will be 7th despite you didn't vote for it means that the others liked it so much to vote for it. We decide the results not just one set of votes, like democracy.

 

Here we go again, I don't really get these rules. Well, Marina won, so what? Has there been any other winner in the previous 10 contests that would have been disqualified based on these rules? I cannot remember any. This should be a fun competition and not taken too seriously, so what if Alejandro finished 7th, it might have been still a discovery for some because of this competition. These new rules remind me about the discussion of whether to allow ESC national final songs into the competition. Some people seemed to be screaming bloody hell and predicting that it would be the end of the BJSC and now, what has changed? Nothing really, it was much ado about nothing really. And again now, I discovered a very good Shakira song IMO from last competition, something that wouldn't have happened with these rules. I really don't see the problem with a few "cheap entries" every contest. And rules like banning Billboard top 5 hits or from MTV playlists? Or a song that is peaking at no 39 on UK singles chart, is that a cheap entry, really?

 

The new rules really wouldn't have any effect on me since I doubt I have never ever sent a song that would have been considered even remotely banned and I doubt I ever will and with a rule like this I would have for once finished top ten in the last contest. But still I am against all these silly rules. I mean banning songs from artists that have active AFs? So if there are a few active fans on some AF forum (and the active members not even participating on BJSC), the latest album is banned? And yeah, if the mods go around deciding what songs to ban and what not, then they certainly shouldn't be allowed to participate. At least there should be a public vote on this, whether to scrape all these ridiculous rules.

 

I think all these rules will hurt the competition much more than a few cheap songs in every contest.

agree ^_^

 

I think we can/could decide what is REALLY cheap.

It seems to me people are only bothered about other people hyping songs to the point where they are "predictable winners"... but we can stop that by stopping people from talking about entries in the Final/semi-final threads etc... (Stopping the odds thread until the final too) and to making them comment on people's entries in that countries respective NF thread. At the end of the day that is what they're there for...

 

*awaits for this point to get overlooked*

 

Also I think the Mods should open a thread and ask people if they agree certain songs should be banned, due to cheapness etc... and then that way at least it's not JUST the mods decision.

Who actually has complained to the point that they will leave the contest if we have 'predictable' winners.. Personally, I think the only unpredictable winner of top three song in the last ten contests is Uh Huh Hers.

 

If people really are against hyped artists being sent almost 3/4ths of the people in the last contest wouldn't have voted for Marina to win. Therefore I'd actually make any opinion of them disliking the 'predictable winner' completely void as they are contributing to this hyped winner. :mellow:

 

 

Edit: I also agree with Jonjo's point above me. ^_^

Edited January 19, 201015 yr by Casey_

It seems to me people are only bothered about other people hyping songs to the point where they are "predictable winners"... but we can stop that by stopping people from talking about entries in the Final/semi-final threads etc... (Stopping the odds thread until the final too) and to making them comment on people's entries in that countries respective NF thread. At the end of the day that is what they're there for...

 

*awaits for this point to get overlooked*

 

Also I think the Mods should open a thread and ask people if they agree certain songs should be banned, due to cheapness etc... and then that way at least it's not JUST the mods decision.

 

I think you make a good point but I can't imagine it happening...I try not to comment too much about other people's entries (unless I'm defending one if somebody else insults it), but everyone can largely tell what I'm going to vote for anyway if they look in my personal chart in the weeks of the semi/final :lol:

 

As for your second point, I agree - and the fact that these songs had even been up for cheap/not cheap discussion in the first place would give them a stigma of being borderline cheap and people might avoid sending them anyway, even if they're not banned. I don't think many people would disagree that On A Mission particularly needed to be sent, but obviously with other songs there would be more of a case for and against.

I'll try and forge some sort of decision and compromise before Saturday - Aaron has already said to me that he won't be starting XXIV for a while (especially as we're far ahead of schedule anyway - we aren't supposed to have a contest which finishes in February :lol: I don't think it would be for the best to have one straight away now given that new music is still quite light on the ground at the moment...), so we have plenty of time in which to come up with a final decision. However, something WILL be done about it - the level of dissent has been such that just walking away from the problem and leaving it completely as it is is just out of the question. I don't think it's just a complete anomaly that there have been five winners in a row that have all been generally acknowledged as being uninspired (though we haven't taken any new members since XVIII, so the new country registration thread re-opening in the next couple of weeks might aid things), so we do need a shake-up of some sort. We will be listening to you on the nature of it and what changes it would entail however...(for the record, this was posed as an 'institution' of rules rather than a proposal of rules because we've long since learned that you don't get anything intelligent from proposals other than everyone saying 'DON'T LIKE CHANGE, IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT' - well, with one particular exception it would seem here on that response :smoke: - whereas we actually get proper feedback to a degree and proposals for alterations with an 'institution', rather than universal condemnation)

 

As a starting point, would people be happier with the AF ruling if they were given a chance to vote on which AFs ought to come under the jurisdiction of the rule and which ones ought not? I figure this might combat complaints that the system currently bars tracks from AFs that don't necessarily get much attention - Enya, Darius, Will Young, Bev etc. Ideas?

lmao how pissed off people are.

 

get over it much.

lmao how pissed off people are.

 

get over it much.

Hush Chris, this is a matter of life and death :angry::angry::angry:

No need to be sarcy Tyron, we know it probably really is to you.

I propose the rule is expanded so no top 20 hit of the past 10 years can be entered.

No need to be sarcy Tyron, we know it probably really is to you.

If I let this state of affairs continue, I can't buy my hovercraft.

 

THERE I SAID IT.

The thing i hate the most about this is being told we're being dictatorial and ruining the contest.

 

We care so much about this contest, which is why we are constantly working as hard as we can to keep this contest going and as full of great amazing inspiring entries as we can.

Being told I'm dictatorial I can live with (it's part and parcel of making a decision on ANYTHING in this forum, even taking a break of a day or two after the end of a contest :/), being told I'm ruining the contest is just hyperbolic...

I don't think it would be for the best to have one straight away now given that new music is still quite light on the ground at the moment...), so we have plenty of time in which to come up with a final decision.

 

Lots of unknown music is still very much out there though, and if this contest was proceeding as it was "planned" before all of this drama, there would still probably be a full fledged BJSC contest with loads of good music I'd reckon.

 

But are we now talking about postponing the XXIV contest a month or so, or a week or two?

Week or two.

 

Were massively ahead of schedule BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL IMPATIENT

 

I confirmed by XIV entry in bloody Singapore last year. We are about 2.5 weeks ahead of last year due to the general impatience of BJSC. Last year we had an actual xmas break

We care so much about this contest, which is why we are constantly working as hard as we can to keep this contest going and as full of great amazing inspiring entries as we can.

 

I honour this and you mods very much ^_^

 

You guys are quite vital for this contest tbf/tbh.

The thing i hate the most about this is being told we're being dictatorial and ruining the contest.

 

We care so much about this contest, which is why we are constantly working as hard as we can to keep this contest going and as full of great amazing inspiring entries as we can.

 

Yet you sent 'Riverside (Motherf***er)' to the latest contest? :mellow: :lol:

 

Being told I'm dictatorial I can live with (it's part and parcel of making a decision on ANYTHING in this forum, even taking a break of a day or two after the end of a contest :/), being told I'm ruining the contest is just hyperbolic...

 

I don't think it's aimed at you saying you've ruined the contest, but the way this rule change is happening and what is included in the rule change.

Yet you sent 'Riverside (Motherf***er)' to the latest contest? :mellow: :lol:

I've already stated the reason's behind that -_-

There's something I'm not sure if it'll change now that kinda bothers me about the contest a little....

 

but sometimes I think BJSC is just about who can get the leaked blogged songs quick enough. I look through alot of blogs and an awful lot of the new blog songs get entered......where's the love for older songs? :(

 

After all Will you remember me tomorrow was a few years old (about 2 I think) when it was sent :wub:

There's something I'm not sure if it'll change now that kinda bothers me about the contest a little....

 

but sometimes I think BJSC is just about who can get the leaked blogged songs quick enough. I look through alot of blogs and an awful lot of the new blog songs get entered......where's the love for older songs? :(

 

After all Will you remember me tomorrow was a few years old (about 2 I think) when it was sent :wub:

 

I can only speak for myself and don't know if anybody else feels similar but I do like to try and send something fresh, something that won't just be a discovery to others but which has recently been one for me as well, so that I'm still passionate about the song and am able to support it 100%

 

Sending something five years old doesn't really appeal to me - I'm quite happy not to just send 'blog leaked songs', and as long as they're new to me it doesn't really matter - I think the Caroline Jonsson song was from 2008 in fact, but I only discovered it at the back end of 2009, however I'm not going to start sending 'my old favourites' to the contest as I tend to like to enter my entries into my personal chart on the basis that I tend to listen to my entry an awful lot during the month of the contest, and I'm not going to start re-entering ancient songs into my chart...

thing is, the contest is ruined by all these "cheap" entries.

 

this rule should of been here since BJSCI.