I am no fan of Chris Brown but realistically how does what he did differ in any way to what Cheryl Tweedy did in beating up the toilet attendant.You can hardly have one rule for one and another for him.Many musical acts have broken the law in one form or another but people remain so negative towards him.

I am no fan of Chris Brown but realistically how does what he did differ in any way to what Cheryl Tweedy did in beating up the toilet attendant.You can hardly have one rule for one and another for him.Many musical acts have broken the law in one form or another but people remain so negative towards him.

 

I think that because the victim was Rihanna, rather than a toilet cleaner, it's going to be automatically 'worse' in the public's eyes :P

I am no fan of Chris Brown but realistically how does what he did differ in any way to what Cheryl Tweedy did in beating up the toilet attendant.You can hardly have one rule for one and another for him.Many musical acts have broken the law in one form or another but people remain so negative towards him.

 

Well, everybody hates Cheryl, and everybody hates Chris (npi), so that does make sense...

 

I do think they should be forgiven though. I mean, both, especially Chris Brown, have been given a really, really hard time about it. It just seems a bit unfair that Chris Brown could act like an angel for the next 50 years, and people will still hate him because he attacked Rihanna.

 

A bit with Cheryl again. How long ago was it that she beat up the toilet attendent?

 

Exactly. Now it's all "Poor Cheryl, she got malaria" "Um sorry? Poor Cheryl? She's racist, a criminal, she can't sing, and the media like her. She deserves to die."

 

Some people are so hypocritical tbh. It's really sad.

 

Adele album track up to #45! :o Wow!

 

And That's All She Wrote up to #211!!!!!!! :w00t:

Edited January 24, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

It's funny how one little slipup can cost an artist their career ... for Kanye it was the Taylor Swift incident, and Ashlee Simpson (well in the US where she was really popular), the whole miming incident. I find it very odd that people can't get over those two particular ones.

 

Chris is, imo, fair enough - the photos of Rihanna aftewards disgusted me. Besides none of his music since has been any good anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

It's funny how one little slipup can cost an artist their career ... for Kanye it was the Taylor Swift incident, and Ashlee Simpson (well in the US where she was really popular), the whole miming incident. I find it very odd that people can't get over those two particular ones.

 

Chris is, imo, fair enough - the photos of Rihanna aftewards disgusted me. Besides none of his music since has been any good anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

 

Yeah, the Rihanna photos still make me really upset tbh. :( I dunno why, I just love Rihanna so much. And she's so pretty. I can't understand why anyone would hate her like that. :(

 

Although if I had to choose between experiencing what Chris went through afterwards, or what Rihanna went through, I'd probably choose what Rihanna had. I mean, domestic violence can affect someone for life, but Rihanna has got a lot of public support, and it might be possible for her to "recover" from it sometime. Perhaps she already feels like she has. Whilst some people will hate Chris for the rest of his life, because of that mistake. Especially women who've had abusive partners themselves. I'd find that more difficult to live with tbh.

It's funny how one little slipup can cost an artist their career ... for Kanye it was the Taylor Swift incident, and Ashlee Simpson (well in the US where she was really popular), the whole miming incident. I find it very odd that people can't get over those two particular ones.

 

Chris is, imo, fair enough - the photos of Rihanna aftewards disgusted me. Besides none of his music since has been any good anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

 

I dont think Kanye's career is anywhere near over and if he went off the rails it has more to do with his mum dying, he has not been the same since.I think his fans including me did not really care about the Taylor Swift thing.I think the Ashlee Simpson thing is hilarious the Americans are brutal when it comes to miming not sure why(surely Cheryl will never have an American career).I do feel for Ashlee though as her material was actually promising.

I think Chris suffered because in the aftermath of the incident he did not seem to show remorse and was out partying with Diddy, it really put me off him.Plus is some of his songs since he has been both self pitying and made small digs at Rihanna.

I do wish Rihanna would speak out about it more, help women out a bit who are suffering from it. I can understand why she wouldn't want to (I think I read somewhere she was sick of being asked about it), but still, it'd be nice to hear what she has to say.

It's funny how one little slipup can cost an artist their career ... for Kanye it was the Taylor Swift incident, and Ashlee Simpson (well in the US where she was really popular), the whole miming incident. I find it very odd that people can't get over those two particular ones.

 

Chris is, imo, fair enough - the photos of Rihanna aftewards disgusted me. Besides none of his music since has been any good anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

Don't forget Joss Stone and the 2007 BRIT Awards :(

 

And I'm not worried about Kanye's UK success quite yet. Though if 'All Of The Lights' flops then I'll seriously start to wonder what the f*** is wrong with country as it's so much more commercial than 'Power' and 'Runaway'. Video out next week, too, will be epic no doubt :D Will hopefully take off from then.

 

(Jeez, I sound like a typical iLoon now. Oh well, better Kanye than The Saturdays)

I dont think Kanye's career is anywhere near over and if he went off the rails it has more to do with his mum dying, he has not been the same since.I think his fans including me did not really care about the Taylor Swift thing.I think the Ashlee Simpson thing is hilarious the Americans are brutal when it comes to miming not sure why(surely Cheryl will never have an American career).I do feel for Ashlee though as her material was actually promising.

I think Chris suffered because in the aftermath of the incident he did not seem to show remorse and was out partying with Diddy, it really put me off him.Plus is some of his songs since he has been both self pitying and made small digs at Rihanna.

Well no, I don't think proper fans would, but casual music fans probably would which is probably why he hasn't had a hit since, despite how strong his material is :( Shame. I agree about Chris Brown too, that 'apology' video was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

45. Someone Like You - Adele

48. Rolling In The Deep - Adele

105. Set Fire To The Rain - Adele

 

Pleasing to see these 3 all doing really well. RITD will probably overtake SLY soon.

 

Other new entries:

1. We R Who We R - Ke$ha

5. Blind Faith - Chase & Status

24. Post Break-Up Sex - The Vaccines

26. The Roller - Beady Eye

38. Jump Into the Fog (Radio Version) - The Wombats

47. Yeah 3X - Chris Brown

50. L.I.F.E.G.O.E.S.O.N. - Noah and the Whale

54. Animal - Neon Trees

 

Amazing that 5 of the 8 non-Adele new songs in the top 100 are by indie/rock/alternative bands :o

With Chris Brown, if he showed a lot remorse, firstly, it'd be what all the people who were nasty to him will want. They want to see him suffer and go depressed, etc. Secondly, people might not believe it's for real. People would, obviously, think he's faking it, because if you attack a woman, a large proportion of society (justifiably) think you can do no right. For some people Chris Brown would have to lock himself in a dungeoun for 20 years with no food, and they still wouldn't believe he's sorry.

 

And similar with Rihanna. I can understand her not wanting to talk about it, for two reasons. I think she simply finds it annoying, and wants to try and forget it and move on. But there's also the factor that if she talks about it too much, people might start to think she's "playing the victim", or trying to get even more public sympathy. Obviously the people that would think that are stupid, because most of the time Rihanna is just answering other people's questions. It's the interviewers that decide what she talks about, but a lot of the public don't realize it and will convince themselves that Rihanna is just using it for sympathy, so maybe it's a good thing she isn't talking about it too much. Although I wish she could talk about it as much as she wants (or as little as she wants) without people reading into it and criticizing her.

 

Also, a few months ago, I was watching an interview with Chris Brown and his mum. It was interesting, because his mother also suffered domestic abuse, so it was strange seeing how his mother reacted to her own son doing to another woman what she suffered.

 

Also, this whole thing gave us Love the Way You Lie and Rated R, so whether that aspect of it is good or bad...

 

And I'm SO happy for Chase & Status!!!! Brilliant tuneage!!

Edited January 24, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

tbh I never liked Chris Brown- I always found him smug and his voice was so whiny, but that was as a singer- the incident with Rihanna made me sick, and now I don't like him personally

 

but him (and Kanye) have clearly lost a connection with the British public, Chris Brown was having many hits at the time - although Yeah 3x is just such a cheap rip off its not surprising its flopping anyway

Only his pre-abuse ones... ;)

Just because he battered RiRi doesn't mean we have to hate him! You all know how much I love Rihanna, but I still like Yeah 3x. If you like the song, it really doesn't matter who it is. And you're not exactly a fan of urban music as you, as we all know... Yeah 3x is hardly urban I know, more like electropop/dance but it has a trace of urban so we know that you won't like it :kink:

With Chris Brown, if he showed a lot remorse, firstly, it'd be what all the people who were nasty to him will want. They want to see him suffer and go depressed, etc. Secondly, people might not believe it's for real. People would, obviously, think he's faking it, because if you attack a woman, a large proportion of society (justifiably) think you can do no right. For some people Chris Brown would have to lock himself in a dungeoun for 20 years with no food, and they still wouldn't believe he's sorry.

 

And similar with Rihanna. I can understand her not wanting to talk about it, for two reasons. I think she simply finds it annoying, and wants to try and forget it and move on. But there's also the factor that if she talks about it too much, people might start to think she's "playing the victim", or trying to get even more public sympathy. Obviously the people that would think that are stupid, because most of the time Rihanna is just answering other people's questions. It's the interviewers that decide what she talks about, but a lot of the public don't realize it and will convince themselves that Rihanna is just using it for sympathy, so maybe it's a good thing she isn't talking about it too much. Although I wish she could talk about it as much as she wants (or as little as she wants) without people reading into it and criticizing her.

 

Also, a few months ago, I was watching an interview with Chris Brown and his mum. It was interesting, because his mother also suffered domestic abuse, so it was strange seeing how his mother reacted to her own son doing to another woman what she suffered.

 

Also, this whole thing gave us Love the Way You Lie and Rated R, so whether that aspect of it is good or bad...

 

And I'm SO happy for Chase & Status!!!! Brilliant tuneage!!

 

No one is calling for Chris Brown to be hated or lynched.I think the issue is not if he showed a lot of remorse or not, he seemed to show none.I liked him as an artist then and remember that he was out and about smiling as if he did not have a care in the world.He took too long to hold his hands up and take responsibility.It was probably his team that convinced him that the whole thing would blow over but I think he acted poorly following the incident.I think women in Rihannas situation rarely go public many carry alot of guilt and hurt for a long time.

I think his song with Chipmunk, Champion is really good but not sure if I will be downloading it.

Edited January 24, 201114 yr by marrb

I do wish Rihanna would speak out about it more, help women out a bit who are suffering from it. I can understand why she wouldn't want to (I think I read somewhere she was sick of being asked about it), but still, it'd be nice to hear what she has to say.

She did a whole television programme about it. I can't remember what it was called, but it was before Rated R, and she answered lots of questions... from what I can remember.

tbh I never liked Chris Brown- I always found him smug and his voice was so whiny, but that was as a singer- the incident with Rihanna made me sick, and now I don't like him personally

 

but him (and Kanye) have clearly lost a connection with the British public, Chris Brown was having many hits at the time - although Yeah 3x is just such a cheap rip off its not surprising its flopping anyway

The only reason Kanye has lost a connection with the British public because he hasn't released very obvious hits. 'Runaway' is a f***ing amazing song, one of the best of last year no doubt, but it was never a hit record, at least not in the current climate. Same with 'Power'.

 

Unlike Chris Brown, Ashlee Simpson, Joss Stone etc he can come back quite easily if he wants. It's up to him really. He's a big enough name that he can still have hits in the future. It just depends if he wants to make a more commercial record next time akin to Graduation or something. If he doesn't he can carry on fine and still be relatively successful with his massive fanbase.

 

That's the difference, really... those artists have had their days of commercial success and they're over. Kanye's days of radio and chart hits aren't necessarily over if he doesn't want them to be IMO. But I don't think he really gives a $h!t about that stuff, so it's whatever really :lol:

Judging by my pop bars, Ke$ha has a lead even when all three versions of "Grenade" are combined. Plus EP sales and pre-orders, I think she will get to number 1 offically.

Edited January 24, 201114 yr by starryeyed

No one is calling for Chris Brown to be hated or lynched.I think the issue is not if he showed a lot of remorse or not, he seemed to show none.I liked him as an artist then and remember that he was out and about smiling as if he did not have a care in the world.He took too long to hold his hands up and take responsibility.It was probably his team that convinced him that the whole thing would blow over but I think he acted poorly following the incident.I think women in Rihannas situation rarely go public many carry alot of guilt and hurt for a long time.

I think his song with Chipmunk, Champion is really good but not sure if I will be downloading it.

 

I dunno, I just think whatever Chris Brown did, he'd still be hated. I've seen in other cases in the media. Going back to Cheryl, she gets caught in a racist attack, then she married a black man and is best friends with will.i.am. She does this, but people still insist she's racist. Seriously, if you're married to a black person, and another black person says you're his best friend, I honestly cannot fathom what else you can possibly do if you don't want to be called a racist! People were doubting her love and her friendships, claiming they were all just an act for her to try and prove she isn't racist. I think it would've been a similar thing with Chris Brown. Whatever he did to try and prove he was sorry, I think a lot of people would just dismiss it as faked for the media. I'd find being in Chris's situation just dreadful, because you could be genuinely sorry, yet you know there's absolutely nothing you can do to get people to believe you.

 

I agree with the other bit. People in Rihanna's situation usually keep it to themselves, and often still stay in a relationship with the attacker. :( It's so sad in those cases, because the offender usually gets away with it, whilst the woman just suffers in secret, which I think is also just such a dreadful situation to be in. You must feel completely an utterly trapped if you're living with someone who you know could snap and attack you at any moment, and often the victims have nobody who can feasibly help them, or are too scared to tell other people about it. :(

Yeah 3x is an awful song, Chris Brown is so unoriginal, I've only liked a few of his songs. Hope it doesn't reach top 40 or become big, These types of artists have very short careers because there's new versions of them out all the time (Jason Derulo has replaced Chris). Even if he didn't beat up Rihanna he wouldn't be making top ten hits anymore, and this Y3X would of only made top 40.

 

Kayne West has flopped only cos his songs aren't very commercial, which is a big disappointment compared to what he has done. No-one in the UK cares about Taylor Swift they all think of her as a One Hit Wonder with "Love Story", even though she's had minor hits and never went to no.1

 

Unfortunately Ke$ha will be no.1 this week. When will she release something that isn't Tik Tok part 2?

Yeah 3x is an awful song, Chris Brown is so unoriginal, I've only liked a few of his songs. Hope it doesn't reach top 40 or become big, These types of artists have very short careers because there's new versions of them out all the time (Jason Derulo has replaced Chris). Even if he didn't beat up Rihanna he wouldn't be making top ten hits anymore, and this Y3X would of only made top 40.

 

Kayne West has flopped only cos his songs aren't very commercial, which is a big disappointment compared to what he has done. No-one in the UK cares about Taylor Swift they all think of her as a One Hit Wonder with "Love Story", even though she's had minor hits and never went to no.1

 

Unfortunately Ke$ha will be no.1 this week. When will she release something that isn't Tik Tok part 2?

 

I guess there's the Ke$ha Edit of Dirty Picture? :lol: But yeah, her songs do all sound very similar. The one that probably sounds least like Tik Tok is Your Love is My Drug. Is that her only song that doesn't involve her being drunk? :lol:

 

I still want We R Who We R to be #1 though. Has anybody noticed it's got those explosion sounds in it which sound almost the same as the ones in Dynamite and Hold It Against Me?

Edited January 24, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob