iTunes Update

 

[03] 07| Enrique Iglesias - Tonight (I'm F****n' You)

 

Sudden significant drop - what did he do wrong? :P

"Champion" still at 23. Enrique down to 8 with F***in'.

 

Modestep at 6, Eric Prydz at 12 in the album charts

New Releases

 

23. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

122. Stuttering (feat. N-Dubz) - Loick Essien

979. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

 

re Kylie Relevance debate.

 

Over something so subjective there can never be a definite answer.Perhaps Kylie's commercial career has now come to end. Only time can tell. Madonna's career in the UK was vastly bigger than Kylie's, while once M had a string of Multiplatinum albums both studio + GH and endless consecutive guaranteed TOP 10 hit single that has all relatively quickly come crashing to a halt.

 

However since the non-album with guest artists Higher version has been released it has completely superceded the album version which despite being stable in the top 20 has now drastically fallen. Surely that means Kylie and/or Travie's presence has caused a massive increase of success/appeal for the track?

 

Despite Kylie's consistent UK top 10 success, some of you don't seem to have considered how drastically the nature of the chart has changed/evolved eg for post album single being able to buy the track at any time as opposed when digital sales were weak and you had to wait for the physical release of the single.Another thing i feel that has been overlooked which established artist (ie NOT Katy Perry) especially those who have been around for 20 (even 10) years are still having top 10 hits with their 3rd single with the parent album selling at least a couple of 100k (which incidentally discount the majority of RnB acts regardless of anything else, who albums in general perform exceptionally poorly given the frequent multiple big hits they have eg Taio himself, Usher,(wonder if they've met yet http://s.rimg.info/4aae0dd66bfefe14e9047744a86d35f8.gif )abysmal huge dropping, short life, chart runs yet continued big smashes hits do nothing to change that pattern or bring stability - 'Higher' i guess must be the last chance for the Taio album to sell anything decent.) As well as Madge other acts like Kylie i can think of, that till only recently have been having endless consecutive top 10s U2, Robbie.Surely its too much of a coincidence, that all these acts have suffered such commercial collapse at the same time? I just read someone suggest that getting a top 40 is equivalent to those acts getting a top 10 in the current chart era (but of course, it could just be desperate delusion from fans of those acts) but that would include a top 10 new entry for ONE WEEK from the collected interest from promo built up over previous weeks, before rapidly bombing out the top 40. cf BTT spent a few weeks around the middle of the chart (which contrasts to M "Miles Away" a much more genuine FLOP as in the top 100, as though it was a new entry at 39 it still BOMBED out of the top 100 in 2 weeks later and (see later)most importantly made insignificant album sales increase/ stability for HC.

 

Anyway we have talked exhaustively over the years why the interest/demand rapidly dies away with the act's (not just established) more progressively released singles are from the same album, Not just the changing electronic presence in the chart but the increased diversity/choices and competition that is around today to entertain people.

 

I'm just pointing out that Kylie does not necessarily equal massive success. Given it was performed on several high-profile TV shows and her album hadn't exactly sold *that* much, BTT should really have been able to peak higher than #32.

 

YOU SHOULD KNOW BY NOW not to listen to Mr. HAT!!! :nono: But i most certainly agree with you that Kylie does not necessarily equal massive success - If "All the Lovers" hadn't been a 'decent' (an atempt at unbias) tune that had widespread public appeal and just an average non-event one i'm not sure we would be having much of a discussion about Kylie's comercial draw given how fickle the nature of pop is, 2 decades of success or no :???:

 

OK so before BTT impacted on the chart "Aphrodite" hadn't exactly sold *that* much....AND your basis for this assessment is..????? Gaga? ;-) Yeah i know only joking ! OH I know, HOT POP SENSATION, consistent female solid album seller of the past few years Rihanna, YES?...er.... you might have noticed that with the passage of time the majority of acts, usually sooner rather than later experience (even if they had long stability) rapid commercial decline + TERMINAL career death (second chance SUSTAINED comebacks make hens have gigantic dental care bills).No where is this more epidemic that with Pop acts like Kylie, Madonna.

 

If you don't start with a fair comparison how can you expect your rational to end up in anyway valuable. I find it hard enough thinking whose still regularly having their new studio album going platinum selling or more now from the 80s / 20+ years ago. Madonna,U2, Kylie. Apart from Kylie the other 2 throughout most of their career getting a platinum was either UNHEARD of or a reviled relative flop aka "American Life". Now for Madge/U2 it looks like obtaining a platinum album is the norm rather than the exception (where as once M successfully based her promo on her image ironically her appearance is now so universally mocked i can only see it damaging any potential future success if relies heavily on her appearance again, the problem being she doesn't see any problem + she'll be making visual torture that will make the notorious "pink leotard" look like one of the most sexually iconic scene from a Pop video of ALL TIME! http://s4.rimg.info/73d434b353275255e2429fb68141b812.gif )

You are saying with the promotion BTT today had it should have done better.Did you ever to bother to factor in the relative achievements of the album over the same period (+ Just look how CRAP Shakira's + Mariah Carey's BRAND NEW albums did with such promo (as opposed to Kylie's 5 month old Aphrodite) Aphrodite basically TANKED after GOMW flopping with the public (music forums clearly must come from another dimension) and it soon left the top 100 . After which what do you think the chances are for:

 

a) A 20+ year established POP act to get their album to re-entry right back in the middle of the top 100?

 

b} A 20 + year established POP act to get the re-entered album to have a stable run in the middle of the top 100?

 

c) A 20+ year established POP act to do both a) + b} during the most competative, HIGHEST sales (especially album) of the year?

 

From being dead Aphrodite bounced back to sell half as much again by selling consistently around the 50s of the top100 for 6 weeks till the peak Xmas week.Especially considering how well things started for the album (in a 2 decade established career sense in case you forgot already AGAIN) and the reassurance from so much experience of Kylie albums in the past in the UK, perhaps this song with all that promotion is what got the album selling around 10+K (or whatever) every week - you still need to promote to sell albums just look at Michael Buble even though his singles sell practically nothing its still the BIG promotion of them that get his huge album sales (obviously he is one of the most successful consecutive album sellers around so obviously not meant as a comparrison to Kylie in that aspect)

 

'The One' only went 4 places lower and that didn't even have a video or a physical. (Or am I thinking of Madonna's Miles Away?)

 

You are correct (there was a (budget) 'the one' video- bit in 'chart controller' 'Mart!n's' avatar - but it was released so late past the download release which had long left the chart by then there didn't seem much to make sense, like with Britney's situation now but at least it wasn't the era success shaping lead single.) Very embarrassingly "Miles away" had FULL physical release (and of course the loons claim it was limited edition,well of course it was expected to be such a SMASH hit ...NOT!... by everyone, the retailers most importantly they were hardly going to stock it to Xfactor winner levels ). Of course there wasn't a MA video but when is there ever for M albums last releases now?

 

Again it seems possible you are fixating on position rather than sales or other variables when making a comparison."The one" was released in the summer not the busiest/highest sales, most competitive part of the year ie the Xmas chart like BTT. NOT EVEN only that "the one" went straight into the chart at that position THEN straight out again = 3 weeks TOTAL in the top100 contrast this to BTT chart run of 8 weeks in the chart with 5 weeks in preceding XMAS chart in the 30-60 range. (see chartstats.com) Another major relevance "the one" managed to get parent album "X" back into the top 100.......NOTABLY only for ONE WEEK + ONLY at position #99 :(

 

To be fair though of course "The one" was the fourth single, i wouldn't be surprised if a 4th Aphrodite single (*IF* there is one)didn't get into the top 40 even, all thing considered now, but will it have more effect of the albums chart run than "the one"?.

Edited February 6, 201114 yr by ima

re Kylie Relevance debate.

 

Over something so subjective there can never be a definite answer.Perhaps Kylie's commercial career has now come to end. Only time can tell. Madonna's career in the UK was vastly bigger than Kylie's, while once M had a string of Multiplatinum albums both studio + GH and endless consecutive guaranteed TOP 10 hit single that has all relatively quickly come crashing to a halt.

 

However since the non-album with guest artists Higher version has been released it has completely superceded the album version which despite being stable in the top 20 has now drastically fallen. Surely that means Kylie and/or Travie's presence has caused a massive increase of success/appeal for the track?

 

Despite Kylie's consistent UK top 10 success, some of you don't seem to have considered how drastically the nature of the chart has changed/evolved eg for post album single being able to buy the track at any time as opposed when digital sales were weak and you had to wait for the physical release of the single.Another thing i feel that has been overlooked which established artist (ie NOT Katy Perry) especially those who have been around for 20 (even 10) years are still having top 10 hits with their 3rd single with the parent album selling at least a couple of 100k (which incidentally discount the majority of RnB acts regardless of anything else, who albums in general perform exceptionally poorly given the frequent multiple big hits they have eg Taio himself, Usher,(wonder if they've met yet http://s.rimg.info/4aae0dd66bfefe14e9047744a86d35f8.gif )abysmal huge dropping, short life, chart runs yet continued big smashes hits do nothing to change that pattern or bring stability - 'Higher' i guess must be the last chance for the Taio album to sell anything decent.) As well as Madge other acts like Kylie i can think of, that till only recently have been having endless consecutive top 10s U2, Robbie.Surely its too much of a coincidence, that all these acts have suffered such commercial collapse at the same time? I just read someone suggest that getting a top 40 is equivalent to those acts getting a top 10 in the current chart era (but of course, it could just be desperate delusion from fans of those acts) but that would include a top 10 new entry for ONE WEEK from the collected interest from promo built up over previous weeks, before rapidly bombing out the top 40. cf BTT spent a few weeks around the middle of the chart (which contrasts to M "Miles Away" a much more genuine FLOP as in the top 100, as though it was a new entry at 39 it still BOMBED out of the top 100 in 2 weeks later and (see later)most importantly made insignificant album sales increase/ stability for HC.

 

Anyway we have talked exhaustively over the years why the interest/demand rapidly dies away with the act's (not just established) more progressively released singles are from the same album, Not just the changing electronic presence in the chart but the increased diversity/choices and competition that is around today to entertain people.

YOU SHOULD KNOW BY NOW not to listen to Mr. HAT!!! :nono: But i most certainly agree with you that Kylie does not necessarily equal massive success - If "All the Lovers" hadn't been a 'decent' (an atempt at unbias) tune that had widespread public appeal and just an average non-event one i'm not sure we would be having much of a discussion about Kylie's comercial draw given how fickle the nature of pop is, 2 decades of success or no :???:

 

OK so before BTT impacted on the chart "Aphrodite" hadn't exactly sold *that* much....AND your basis for this assessment is..????? Gaga? ;-) Yeah i know only joking ! OH I know, HOT POP SENSATION, consistent female solid album seller of the past few years Rihanna, YES?...er.... you might have noticed that with the passage of time the majority of acts, usually sooner rather than later experience (even if they had long stability) rapid commercial decline + TERMINAL career death (second chance SUSTAINED comebacks make hens have gigantic dental care bills).No where is this more epidemic that with Pop acts like Kylie, Madonna.

 

If you don't start with a fair comparison how can you expect your rational to end up in anyway valuable. I find it hard enough thinking whose still regularly having their new studio album going platinum selling or more now from the 80s / 20+ years ago. Madonna,U2, Kylie. Apart from Kylie the other 2 throughout most of their career getting a platinum was either UNHEARD of or a reviled relative flop aka "American Life".

 

You are saying with the promotion BTT today had it should have done better.Did you ever to bother to factor in the relative achievements of the album over the same period (+ Just look how CRAP Shakira's + Mariah Carey's BRAND NEW albums did with such promo (as opposed to Kylie's 5 month old Aphrodite) Aphrodite basically TANKED after GOMW flopping with the public (music forums clearly must come from another dimension) and it soon left the top 100 . After which what do you think the chances are for:

 

a) A 20+ year established POP act to get their album to re-entry right back in the middle of the top 100?

 

b} A 20 + year established POP act to get the re-entered album to have a stable run in the middle of the top 100?

 

c) A 20+ year established POP act to do both a) + b} during the most competative, HIGHEST sales (especially album) of the year?

 

From being dead Aphrodite bounced back to sell half as much again by selling consistently around the 50s of the top100 for 6 weeks till the peak Xmas week.Especially considering how well things started for the album (in a 2 decade established career sense in case you forgot already AGAIN) and the reassurance from so much experience of Kylie albums in the past in the UK, perhaps this song with all that promotion is what got the album selling around 10+K (or whatever) every week - you still need to promote to sell albums just look at Michael Buble even though his singles sell practically nothing its still the BIG promotion of them that get his huge album sales (obviously he is one of the most successful consecutive album sellers around so obviously not meant as a comparrison to Kylie in that aspect)

You are correct (there was a (budget) 'the one' video- bit in 'chart controller' 'Mart!n's' avatar - but it was released so late past the download release which had long left the chart by then there didn't seem much to make sense, like with Britney's situation now but at least it wasn't the era success shaping lead single.) Very embarrassingly "Miles away" had FULL physical release (and of course the loons claim it was limited edition,well of course it was expected to be such a SMASH hit ...NOT!... by everyone, the retailers most importantly they were hardly going to stock it to Xfactor winner levels ). Of course there wasn't a MA video but when is there ever for M albums last releases now?

 

Again it seems possible you are fixating on position rather than sales or other variables when making a comparison."The one" was released in the summer not the busiest/highest sales, most competitive part of the year ie the Xmas chart like BTT. NOT EVEN only that "the one" went straight into the chart at that position THEN straight out again = 3 weeks TOTAL in the top100 contrast this to BTT chart run of 8 weeks in the chart with 5 weeks in preceding XMAS chart in the 30-60 range. (see chartstats.com) Another major relevance "the one" managed to get parent album "X" back into the top 100.......NOTABLY only for ONE WEEK + ONLY at position #99 :(

 

To be fair though of course "The one" was the fourth single, i wouldn't be surprised if a 4th Aphrodite single (*IF* there is one)didn't get into the top 40 even, all thing considered now, but will it have more effect of the albums chart run than "the one"?.

 

Usher has been around more than 10 years (infact, he's one of the few artists who've had #1s in 3 decades), and he's just released More, which is doing very well. It didn't do too well in the UK, but it's got to #1 in Canada, which is good, when it's your 6th single from the album...

 

I understand your point though.

Edited February 6, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

14. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

90. Stuttering (feat. N-Dubz) - Loick Essien

178. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

 

#14 already? #1 like I predicted, I think so?

Wow, Kylie fans are getting bitter... if I'm not mistaken the initial question was whether her or Travie's presence on the single version of "Higher" was what was boosting its sales this week. Although increased promotion and exposure may have seen the solo version rise anyway, the answer is yes. The profile of the two featured artists is almost certainly convincing people to buy the track.

 

The other thing people are asking is whether Kylie is still as relevant and powerful a chart act as Taio Cruz. On the singles market, the answer is a resounding no - the figures for the "Aphrodite" era show this. The albums market is a different story, the relative underperformance of "Aphrodite" is greatly outstripped by the baffling repeated flopping of "Rokstarr" with every new single that is released. Is Kylie as relevant as Taio today? Arguably no. Will Taio be getting platinum albums in fifteen or twenty years time? Probably no, but that wasn't an issue until the Kylie loons started to get shirty.

Chipmunk #13 now

I think the real question is - will *Taio* still be having T10 hits in 20 years time...

I'm sure he will, if he features on songs with relevant current artists.

11. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

59. Stuttering (feat. N-Dubz) - Loick Essien

91. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

Wow, Kylie fans are getting bitter... if I'm not mistaken the initial question was whether her or Travie's presence on the single version of "Higher" was what was boosting its sales this week. Although increased promotion and exposure may have seen the solo version rise anyway, the answer is yes. The profile of the two featured artists is almost certainly convincing people to buy the track.

 

The other thing people are asking is whether Kylie is still as relevant and powerful a chart act as Taio Cruz. On the singles market, the answer is a resounding no - the figures for the "Aphrodite" era show this. The albums market is a different story, the relative underperformance of "Aphrodite" is greatly outstripped by the baffling repeated flopping of "Rokstarr" with every new single that is released. Is Kylie as relevant as Taio today? Arguably no. Will Taio be getting platinum albums in fifteen or twenty years time? Probably no, but that wasn't an issue until the Kylie loons started to get shirty.

 

Can I just state that we are not "bitter" or "loons". Just defending our act against silly comments that not justified. Just like im sure you would try and put someone right if they were saying things about your fav act if you didnt agree with. I dont get why on Buzzjack you are considered a loon just because you defend your acts against comments made about them. Im actually far from a aloon and def dont defend Kylie all the time. When she is doing something wrong im the first to admit it. But I do generally agree with everyething else you have said.

 

If you want to continue this argument, could you do that in the 'Higher' thread rather than in the iTunes thread, I'm getting quite bored of reading it.

Champion for #1!!

Single versions that are different to the album versions always go much higher (no pun intended) than the album version and cause the album version to plummet. See The Silence (before the album version got deleted, it was still dropping quickly), Higher by the Sats, Gettin' Over You. It doesn't matter how different or similar it is, it always happens.

 

With the exception of 'More' which seems to still be most popular in its original form for some reason.

New Releases

 

[023] 11. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

[122] 50. Stuttering (feat. N-Dubz) - Loick Essien

[979] 64. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

[***] 237. Champion (feat. Chris Brown) - Chipmunk

 

 

 

I'd imagine people aren't buying the Taio solo version as that's not the one anyone has actually heard, either on Radio or TV?

Champion is doing brilliantly, looks like Jessie will have to stick for 1 week at #1 at least initially. (I wonder if this is the start of another 1-week #1 cycle? :drama: Although I don't think there are any more major releases for a couple of weeks)

Although I don't think there are any more major releases for a couple of weeks

 

Lady GaGa?

Lady GaGa?

 

Hmm. Fair point but I can't see that going straight in at #1. (Then again Jessie J did so...)

Hmm. Fair point but I can't see that going straight in at #1. (Then again Jessie J did so...)

 

Really? even if there wasn't a simultaneous iTunes/radio/video release (which it looks like she's gearing up to) I'd fancy her to get to the top on hype alone, even if Britney couldn't.