A predictably ridiculous argument. Besides, an athlete can fail to win his heat but still win the gold medal.

Simple thing with AV is, you must get 50% of the vote - that's it, and therefore, you DO have a MAJORITY of the vote - why argue against it? Just why?

A predictably ridiculous argument. Besides, an athlete can fail to win his heat but still win the gold medal.

Indeed!

 

I rather like catching out the people who are cocky and think they can coast through the heats and stealing their place in the final. :funky:

One question for Cameron. "In the Tory leadership election of 2005, you came second in the first round. Will you now resign on the grounds that your election was not fair?"

As a Formula 1 fan, the F1 Championship analogy angers me beyond recognition. You cannot compare the two, especially given that with the current F1 system a driver could finish 2nd in every race, and still win the Championship.

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I'm pretty certain that this article makes no sense at all? Even considering that it's the Sun, I must be missing something here.

I think the point is to discourage their readers from voting Yes.

I think the point is to discourage their readers from voting Yes.

Well of course. I just couldn't believe that they'd use such obvious fallacies, not even the Sun.

The day The Sun prints the actual factually correct and accurate truth is the day the world stops spinning.

Well of course. I just couldn't believe that they'd use such obvious fallacies, not even the Sun.

Thing is, it's aimed at Sun readers.

The day The Sun prints the actual factually correct and accurate truth is the day the world stops spinning.

And when the world stops spinning the Daily Express will blame asylum seekers and insist that Diana could have stopped them

And when the world stops spinning the Daily Express will blame asylum seekers and insist that Diana could have stopped them

And the Daily Mail will blame the European Union for the world ceasing to spin as well as the further fall in house prices along with Cancer and every other problem the world has ever had.

And whilst the Guardian will report the stopping of the earth's axis accurately, it will be mispelled so badly that everyone thinks it's a recipe for chocolate brownies.

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And the Daily Star will ignore the story altogether in favour of extensive coverage of Big Brother even if it isn't on at the time.

While the Mirror, after you've flipped past the 11page interview with a fame hungry whore doing a kiss and tell on a footballer, blames the coalition and uses random quotes from Milliband (of the Ed variety) to insist Labour would have prevented it.

New poll out tonight shows "No" has a 16-point lead. Expectedly, a vast majority of Conservative voters are voting 'No', and a vast majority of Lib Dems are voting 'Yes', while among Labour voters, a slight majority are voting "No".

 

I'm not surprised that the "No" side has grabbed the momentum since the campaign started - it was only to be expected considering Clegg seems completely unaware of what a liability he is, and so has proceeded to tar the "Yes" campaign with his "reverse Midas touch", constantly talking up AV in interviews and kicking up a stink when Ed Miliband unsurprisingly refused to campaign with him.

 

If I were leading the "Yes" campaign, my new strategy would be to try and kidnap Clegg and lock him in a cupboard for the next three weeks.

New poll out tonight shows "No" has a 16-point lead. Expectedly, a vast majority of Conservative voters are voting 'No', and a vast majority of Lib Dems are voting 'Yes', while among Labour voters, a slight majority are voting "No".

 

I'm not surprised that the "No" side has grabbed the momentum since the campaign started - it was only to be expected considering Clegg seems completely unaware of what a liability he is, and so has proceeded to tar the "Yes" campaign with his "reverse Midas touch", constantly talking up AV in interviews and kicking up a stink when Ed Miliband unsurprisingly refused to campaign with him.

 

If I were leading the "Yes" campaign, my new strategy would be to try and kidnap Clegg and lock him in a cupboard for the next three weeks.

I think it's more to do with the outright lies coming from the No campaign. That includes their attempt to portray AV as complicated. OK so it is not quite as simple as the current system but it is still simpler than almost any other system used anywhere else in the world.

Well, the "Yes" campaign is certainly sunk now. Apparently still oblivious to the fact that Labour voters are needed to win the referendum, Clegg devoted most of his speech on AV this morning to slurs on Labour's economic record, and a defence of the Coalition Government's record.

 

Though, in fairness, it's not just Clegg - the general tactics of the "Yes" campaign have alienated a lot of otherwise friendly Labour MPs. My local MP is in favour of AV, but he's understandably unwilling to hand out leaflets that say all MPs are lazy and corrupt and claiming expenses for duck houses. It's incredible that, a year ago, polls showed a clear majority of people were in favour of electoral reform - yet the Lib Dems and electoral-reformers generally have completely thrown that away through unforced errors. Instead of focussing on the good points of electoral reform (giving people more say, allowing people to vote for who they want instead of tactical voting), they've instead gone for spurious claims that AV would lead to a brand new, pure, infinitely cleaner politics that would've prevented the expenses scandal and seen MPs "work harder", as well as dignifying the "No" campaign's main argument regarding Clegg. Unbelievable.

The Yes campaign's arguments would apply more to STV. Under that system, voters could vote against corrupt or lazy MPs but still vote for other candidates from the same party. However, that's not on offer and the campaign should reflect that. To have any chance of coming from behind to win, they must tackle the lies being spread by the No campaign. I got the No campaign leaflet yesterday and it's one of the most dishonest leaflets I've ever seen.

Who would've thought Adam Boulton would've been our knight in shining armour? :mellow:

 

 

He's about to get fired, isn't he?

Oh dear. There aren't enough *facepalm*s in the world to describe Baroness Warsi.