It is about styles of music, and while I know I'll get into trouble here for saying this, IMO urban simply isn't British. It's about pop, varieties of soft rock, dance & ballads (plus one or two other forms that I'll no doubt immediately think of, as soon as I've posted this). :)

 

The sort of generic American hip-hop/R&B you could say is 'not British' but urban subgenres like grime and garage are totally British and wouldn't stand a chance in the USA. (Although Written In The Stars does sound more British than American and that did fairly well in the USA so who knows...)

Maybe there's no formal quota here, but I dare say we still get over 50% non-Briitish music, on radio 1 certainly...

 

A-List (9/19)

 

Alex Gaudino featuring Kelly Rowland - What A Feeling

All Time Low - I Feel Like Dancing'

Aloe Blacc - I Need A Dollar

Arctic Monkeys - Don't Sit Down Cause I've Moved Your Chair

Bruno Mars - The Lazy Song

Calvin Harris featuring Kelis - Bounce

Example - Changed The Way You Kiss Me

Foo Fighters - Walk

Jessie J - Nobody's Perfect

Katy B - Easy Please Me

Lady GaGa - Judas / Edge Of Glory

Olly Murs - Busy

Pitbull featuring Ne-Yo, Afrojack & Nayer - Give Me Everything

Swedish House Mafia - Save The World

The Script - Science & Faith

The Strokes - Taken For A Fool

The Vaccines - All In White

The Wombats - Techno Fan

Tinchy Stryder & Dappy - Spaceship

 

 

B-List (7/16)

 

Above & Beyond - Thing Called Love

Alexandra Stan - Mr Saxobeat

Benjamin Francis Leftwich - Box Of Stones

Brookes Brothers featuring Johnny Osbourne - In Your Eyes

David Guetta featuring Flo-Rida & Nicki Minaj - Where Dem Girls At

Dev & Tinie Tempah featuring The Cataracts - Bass Down Low

Ed Sheeran - The A Team

Hard-Fi - Good For Nothing

Jai Paul - BTSTU

Jennifer Lopez featuring Lil'Wayne - I'm Into You

My Chemical Romance - Bulletproof Heart

Nicole Scherzinger - Right There

Panic At The Disco - Ready To Go (Get Me Out Of My Mind)

The Black Eyed Peas - Don't Stop The Party

True Tiger featuring Professor Green & Maverick Sabre - In The Air

Vato Gonzalez featuring Foreign Beggars - Badman Riddim (Jump)

 

 

C-List (5/10)

* Adele - Set Fire To The Rain

Beyonce - Run The World (Girls)

DJ Fresh featuring Sian Evans - Louder

Foster The People - Pumped Up Kicks

Jason DeRulo - Don't Wanna Go Home

* Lethal Bizzle - Mind Spinning

* Martin Solveig featuring Kele - Ready 2 Go

* Rihanna - California King Bed

* Take That - Love Love

* The Saturdays - Notorious

 

 

1-Upfront (2/4)

 

Awolnation - Sail

* Bon Iver - Calgary

JAKWOB featuring Smiler - Right Beside You

* Lower Than Atlantis - (Motor) Way Of Life

 

Total: 23/49 plus two songs which feature a British act....

Total: 23/49 plus two songs which feature a British act....

 

OK - but I was thinking more of MJ2006's YTD radio/TV airplay data, myself.

The sort of generic American hip-hop/R&B you could say is 'not British' but urban subgenres like grime and garage are totally British and wouldn't stand a chance in the USA.

 

You may be right, but it might be too cliched to suggest the differences between those subgenres, and other hip-hop/rap, are totally lost on me... ;)

Edited May 28, 201114 yr by vidcapper

OK - but I was thinking more of MJ2006's YTD radio/TV airplay data, myself.

Oh that will most certainly be true. But the Radio 1 playlist merely backs up my point from earlier. There is British music out there, and a lot of it is good, but it's not the sound that is currently at the top of the charts. People criticise radio 1 (a lot) but it's unfounded criticism as far as I'm concerned. There is no playlist that is so varied, they do support a lot of British music from all fields (established acts, new acts, Reality TV acts, acts from all types of genre). Radio 1 are about the only thing you can't blame for the Americanised top 10 we have....

i don't think there's a problem with british music worldwide, it's still selling millions all over the world... :yahoo:

just look at the US BB hot 200 album chart, it's dominated by a British female for 9 weeks now and u have many other british acts in the top 10 (Mumford & Sons etc...)... many of this year's number ones in the US album charts are by brit acts...

so let's not whine just yet..... :cry:

 

even with singles, we have Adele, Jessie J, Tinie Tempah & many other acts being top 10 in various charts in the world, so there's nothin alarming at all...

it's just that US music gets more promotion that's all, that's why Gaga sells 8 million copies and Sophie Ellis Bextor 8 copies , it's not because Sophie's album is not as good as Gaga's, it's just because it's not promoted at all !!! :angry:

Edited May 28, 201114 yr by Big Mistake

Oh that will most certainly be true. But the Radio 1 playlist merely backs up my point from earlier. There is British music out there, and a lot of it is good, but it's not the sound that is currently at the top of the charts. People criticise radio 1 (a lot) but it's unfounded criticism as far as I'm concerned. There is no playlist that is so varied, they do support a lot of British music from all fields (established acts, new acts, Reality TV acts, acts from all types of genre). Radio 1 are about the only thing you can't blame for the Americanised top 10 we have....

Going to so many gigs I've seen plenty of decent talent around but its just that the autotuned R&B is the 'fashion' right now and basically something needs come around and kill it off like The Strokes did to all the 'Nu-Metal' stuff. They were American, yes but a lot of british bands broke through after that. At least I hope all of this is just the current phase anyway because its lasted longer then I thought it would! The Pitbull's song at #1 right now is a complete joke imo.

 

Radio 1 has always been the most varied station and the forefront of british music and its needed more than ever right now so I agree with what Mark said above

its just that the autotuned R&B is the 'fashion' right now

 

actually it was the fashion 3 or 4 years ago not anymore... now dance-pop/R&B music is in... just look at Usher, 50 Cent, Flo Rida, Snoop Dogg & others' new releases they're all mostly dance based....

As I've said, the only way around it is a) two seperate charts: One Domestic and One International and B) The critics have 50% say in the charts. I would also throw in a homegrown rule for radio which is in force in France....60% of acts played on radio have to be from the UK.

As I've said, the only way around it is a) two seperate charts: One Domestic and One International and B) The critics have 50% say in the charts. I would also throw in a homegrown rule for radio which is in force in France....60% of acts played on radio have to be from the UK.

 

Or C) just live with it, it's not that big a deal really.

Or C) just live with it, it's not that big a deal really.

 

Exactly. And it's probably cyclical as well, in three or four years time we might have 8 British acts in the top 10.

I can see your point somewhat - but we have ten times the population of Australia (therefore technically more musicians/singers) so I don't think we'll ever get that bad!

Australia has a population of 22million, meaning we'd have to have a population of 220m for you to be right :kink:

 

The State of New South Wales is about 6million though if I remember correctly. I know Queensland has around 4million people, 3million of which live in SE QLD.

 

Oops! That's the second stupid error I've made in this thread today :lol: I think I must have been looking at the "area" figure on the Australian Wikipedia article :blush:

 

Well if it's only three times that kind of shocks me a little more to be honest. I'm not an expert on the Australian music scene though so I can't really comment too much. I think we might have a better ratio of acts than the population figures suggest though, giving our unbelievably strong musical heritage.

Their area is 7.6m :kink:

 

I would disagree, they have a very lot of home grown music, It's just not charting. HMV over there have little flags to indicate an Australian artist, and there was masses of them. They do have some incredible artists but they can't seem to get radio play with all the American music taking over the radio.

Some UK Artists are either boring, chavvy or just another hit that will fade within weeks.

 

So American Artists >>>>>>>

 

UK Singers should take note, when making their song, try not to make it sound dated..

Edited May 29, 201114 yr by kevvybitch

All songwriting talent (and by talent I mean what's popular) comes from outside the UK Taio Cruz being an exception. So the best (again, the most in-sounding) songs go to American acts.

Australia has a population of 22million, meaning we'd have to have a population of 220m for you to be right :kink:

 

The State of New South Wales is about 6million though if I remember correctly. I know Queensland has around 4million people, 3million of which live in SE QLD.

Their area is 7.6m :kink:

 

I would disagree, they have a very lot of home grown music, It's just not charting. HMV over there have little flags to indicate an Australian artist, and there was masses of them. They do have some incredible artists but they can't seem to get radio play with all the American music taking over the radio.

This is interesting. Most played acts on Australian radio in 2010 (overall and domestic acts only):

 

Australian radio airplay – overall top 20:

Lady Gaga (37079 plays)

P!nk (36982)

Powderfinger (36163)

Katy Perry (31845)

John Butler Trio (31246)

INXS (29580)

U2 (28955)

Train (28813)

Ke$ha (27613)

Rihanna (27316)

Jet (27201)

Jason Derulo (27176)

David Guetta (25701)

Adam Lambert (25221)

Rob Thomas (25164)

Black Eyed Peas (24752)

Nickelback (24598)

Kings of Leon (23198)

Vanessa Amorosi (22640)

BoB (22613)

 

Australian radio airplay – local top 20:

Powderfinger (36163 plays)

John Butler Trio (31246)

INXS (25980)

Jet (27201)

Vanessa Amorosi (22640)

AC/DC (20500)

Cold Chisel (19420)

Hoodoo Gurus (16291)

The Temper Trap (15994)

Midnight Oil (15178)

Guy Sebastian (15116)

Gyroscope (14880)

Stan Walker (13504)

Amy Meredith (13410)

Crowded House (13232)

Jimmy Barnes (12888)

Jessica Mauboy (12595)

Thirsty Merc (11863)

Birds Of Tokyo (11819)

Australian Crawl (11172)

 

The top 5 domestic acts are in the overall top 20. Not great, but probably higher than the ratio in the sales top 20, I'm sure. I also suspect a lot of these are mass play of old records which is slightly depressing. AC/DC didn't even release any material last year yet they're still the 6th most played Australian act, and according to Wikipedia the only INXS record was a re-release, and they're still 3rd :drama: And Powderfinger's only release in 2010 was a #46 chart placement yet they got stacks of airplay - massive combination of numerous old songs again? Bit of a sad situation indeed, regardless.

 

I don't think we'll ever get this bad though. Unless Radio 1 dies perhaps, and Capital takes over the country *shudders at the thought* :(

 

EDIT: Found the most played songs chart as well, which adds a bit of context. Bizarrely the only three Australian acts were quite poor sales performers - was it a combined effort by less big/more alternative radio stations or something? The whole chart seems quite alternative to me so I'm inclinced to think yes but I really don't know. But for some reason they got played a lot but that didn't translate into sales.

 

1 Train — Hey, Soul Sister

2 Lifehouse — Halfway Gone

3 John Butler Trio — Close To You

4 Jet — Seven-teen

5 Adam Lambert — Whataya Want From Me

6 Muse — Undisclosed Desires

7 Powderfinger — Burn Your Name

8 Jason Derulo — In My Head

9 Scouting For Girls — This Ain't A Love Song

10 John Mayer — Heartbreak Warfare

Edited May 29, 201114 yr by superbossanova

Are you suggesting we should ban male US urban songs, then? :lol:

Yes please lol

All songwriting talent (and by talent I mean what's popular) comes from outside the UK Taio Cruz being an exception. So the best (again, the most in-sounding) songs go to American acts.

 

er... not really...

most good songwriters are British or European (swedish)...

I prefer American music anyway :wub: