June 5, 201213 yr I personally think Woodkid has it in the bag (in my dreams) The song I wanted to change my entry to before I PM'd Arrs for his opinion. I DIED a little inside when he replied back to say he'd already confirmed it. :cry: Gotta stay loyal now.
June 5, 201213 yr Yeah, Give Me That O was definitely not an obvious winner at all, Ronya clearly had it from the off! Neither is I Love It to be honest, I wouldn't be shocked if it won but with 'cheapgate' I can see a lot of people giving it less points because they'll think 'oh how cheap' or 'I knew it last month'.
June 5, 201213 yr So what can we send now? Are we going to get to the point when people scream veto if any song has been mentioned on any site more than once?! Good grief!
June 5, 201213 yr So what can we send now? Are we going to get to the point when people scream veto if any song has been mentioned on any site more than once?! Good grief! Oh please. That's hardly the case with I Love It. When even Grebo's coming in and saying a big pop track is the obvious winner surely that's a fairly obvious sign of how much it's been hyped across the internet?
June 5, 201213 yr Give it a rest Tyron, the veto system is not changing. It's not completely perfect but there's no point in making ridiculous alterations (to a system you had no problem with when you were a moderator) to try and change that given that it will never be perfect. We get it right most of the time, and we didn't think this was worthy of a veto. Just because it's been on 3 prominent blogs it doesn't mean it's an obvious winner or even a winner. Pitchfork is dire, Popjustice is a pathetic shell of it's former self and Scandipop has as much dross on it as it does 13/10 moments.
June 5, 201213 yr Oh please. That's hardly the case with I Love It. When even Grebo's coming in and saying a big pop track is the obvious winner surely that's a fairly obvious sign of how much it's been hyped across the internet? I haven't heard of it and I am sure there are a fair few if us that haven't.
June 5, 201213 yr Give it a rest Tyron, the veto system is not changing. It's not completely perfect but there's no point in making ridiculous alterations (to a system you had no problem with when you were a moderator) to try and change that given that it will never be perfect. We get it right most of the time, and we didn't think this was worthy of a veto. Just because it's been on 3 prominent blogs it doesn't mean it's an obvious winner or even a winner. Pitchfork is dire, Popjustice is a pathetic shell of it's former self and Scandipop has as much dross on it as it does 13/10 moments. Missing the point. Those are three blogs that are fairly illustrative of broad voting bases within the contest. It's had far wider coverage than that. And if you read what I said, I wasn't calling for the veto system to be changed completely (strange you're calling alterations 'ridiculous' when I haven't even said yet what widening the system would imply?), and did indeed just say that it was the best system we've had yet. I'm not saying it ever will be perfect, I'm just saying it could be better.
June 5, 201213 yr I'd never heard it before either, although given I didn't care for the previous entries from them I didn't really go out of my way to listen when I saw the thread. It doesn't really strike me as a runaway winner either, but I really am awful at predicting such things. We shall see.
June 5, 201213 yr Missing the point. Those are three blogs that are fairly illustrative of broad voting bases within the contest. It's had far wider coverage than that. And if you read what I said, I wasn't calling for the veto system to be changed completely (strange you're calling alterations 'ridiculous' when I haven't even said yet what widening the system would imply?), and did indeed just say that it was the best system we've had yet. I'm not saying it ever will be perfect, I'm just saying it could be better. Widening the system would generally involve getting more people involved in the process which we (the mods) already ruled out as something that could happen. So please do change the fucking record.
June 5, 201213 yr Widening the system would generally involve getting more people involved in the process which we (the mods) already ruled out as something that could happen. So please do change the fucking record. Can only be a good thing surely?
June 5, 201213 yr Widening the system would generally involve getting more people involved in the process which we (the mods) already ruled out as something that could happen. So please do change the fucking record. I disagreed with the reasoning behind your rejection (which seemed to be based, again, mostly on assumptions of what would be proposed for the system being widened, rather than asking people what alternative they'd like, and then seemingly coming to the conclusion that widening it would put it immediately into the hands of noobs) and disagree that I should 'change the fucking record' merely as you've already decided that it isn't changing. The argument that settles a matter kind of has to be a bit more than 'we're the mods and you're not'.
June 5, 201213 yr Can only be a good thing surely? No. Too many cooks spoil the broth etc. Then you have the issue of people not acting in the best interest of the contest, people crying because they haven't had a chance at vetoing when x,y and z has. And that's the tip of the iceberg. It's not going to happen, ever, so we may as well move on.
June 5, 201213 yr Can only be a good thing surely? I see the arguments for not opening the veto system up to everyone to decide (which is what we had briefly, but the problem is that as not everyone participated in the veto it was fairly easy for a couple of people to club together to get something they didn't want vetoed even when it wasn't particularly cheap), but I don't really see the argument against having a couple of people who've participated for ages, like Rich et al, in on the decision-making process as well. (And before we get the inevitable argument that this is me just trying to weedle in on the process so I decide, I'd gladly also go along with a system where all the old-timers BUT myself were involved in the decisions over the veto. It doesn't mean that I'd always agree with it, but I think it'd definitely be a better system for involving more people who have a load of experience with the contest in the process.)
June 5, 201213 yr IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. DROP IT AND MOVE ON. As I said. The argument that settles a matter kind of has to be a bit more than 'we're the mods and you're not'. A little mature discussion with the points that I've raised would be nice rather than an outright rejection based entirely on assumptions you made of the alternate system which is nothing like that I proposed above. We are, after all, just trying to improve the contest.
June 5, 201213 yr Also, I should emphasise that I don't deny that you should have the final say (you are, after all, the mods), but it does tend to come off a bit more fair if you deal with the points people raise rather than just having the final say merely because you have the right to do so.
June 5, 201213 yr Who just closed the thread for a minute? :o It was probably just a slip of the mouse on the main page (mods can lock topics by clicking the little briefcase to the left of each topic). The same thing happens all the time in the Lounge, I don't think we should read into it too much!
June 5, 201213 yr As I said. A little mature discussion with the points that I've raised would be nice rather than an outright rejection based entirely on assumptions you made of the alternate system which is nothing like that I proposed above. We are, after all, just trying to improve the contest. Ok, go. Tell me what your thrilling alternate system involves.
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