April 23, 201312 yr It's #5 on the album chart in the UK and #2 in Ireland so looks like they'll do well upon release. It's nice to have another boyband around... and one (from the UK) that I actually like.
April 23, 201312 yr Weird, I thought One Direction were terrible on the X Factor and showed very little potential outside of the show. I just figured they were one of those token screaming-fan wanks. Union J were miles better than them at that stage on the X Factor, but as you know, One Direction are smashing worldwide and Syco will ensure they get the absolute best material. Let's just say, if there was a song better than Carry You, One Direction would get it. Having said that, I personally think this song is much better than most 1D songs, there's something really classy and understated about it, without being totally mushy (see: WMYB, Gotta Be You, One Thing, More Than This, Little Things). You see for me I never had a problem with One Direction while they were on the show in their year, their performances back then were actually better than the ones they do now (Paije was my overrall favourite that year, followed by Cher Lloyd). It was only until after they came off and after "What Makes You Beautiful" that I was put off. Edited April 23, 201312 yr by ThePensmith
April 23, 201312 yr Weird, I thought One Direction were terrible on the X Factor and showed very little potential outside of the show. I just figured they were one of those token screaming-fan wanks. Union J were miles better than them at that stage on the X Factor, but as you know, One Direction are smashing worldwide and Syco will ensure they get the absolute best material. Let's just say, if there was a song better than Carry You, One Direction would get it. Having said that, I personally think this song is much better than most 1D songs, there's something really classy and understated about it, without being totally mushy (see: WMYB, Gotta Be You, One Thing, More Than This, Little Things). This! I completely agree that Union J were a LOT better than 1D were on The X Factor. It is true that they started off very weak during first 2 shows, but as the show went on, they just got better and better. And I feel the same about the song - I love the fact that it is not so mushy. It is definitely catchy and more mature, even though the chorus IS repetitive. This is only their 1st song - who knows how the rest of the material will be. I'm just happy they are not extremely cheesy like 1D are. AND even at this stage, they are better vocalists than them, imagine how good they could get after a while. Because it is true that 1D improved a little with time... Edited April 23, 201312 yr by zeze88
April 23, 201312 yr Union J were far better than One Direction during their respective times on The X Factor. For starters, Union J could actually harmonise! One Direction certainly improved with time, and their debut single was a stroke of genius. UJ's debut isn't as "in your face", but I agree with what LIAM & zeze88 say about it. Tbh, to ThePensmith: you immediately had a downer on this act purely because of how they look, which I find extremely closed minded. It seems you'd long made up your mind that you wanted to hate them, and their first song! Consider that people might actually like the song, and that if it's eventually successful it's not purely because of superficial reasons - but so what if superficial reasons do come into play? You yourself are superficial when it comes to Loveable Rogues. You've clearly bought into their image of being "funny, likeable lads" and you're pleased they're doing well because they're not "boring, pretty boys like Union J". This is really no different to someone liking Union J because they find them attractive. You in your own way find Loveable Rogues attractive as an anti-boyband.
April 23, 201312 yr Union J were far better than One Direction during their respective times on The X Factor. For starters, Union J could actually harmonise! One Direction certainly improved with time, and their debut single was a stroke of genius. UJ's debut isn't as "in your face", but I agree with what LIAM & zeze88 say about it. Tbh, to ThePensmith: you immediately had a downer on this act purely because of how they look, which I find extremely closed minded. It seems you'd long made up your mind that you wanted to hate them, and their first song! Consider that people might actually like the song, and that if it's eventually successful it's not purely because of superficial reasons - but so what if superficial reasons do come into play? You yourself are superficial when it comes to Loveable Rogues. You've clearly bought into their image of being "funny, likeable lads" and you're pleased they're doing well because they're not "boring, pretty boys like Union J". This is really no different to someone liking Union J because they find them attractive. You in your own way find Loveable Rogues attractive as an anti-boyband. Why are you bringing them into it and calling me superficial? Difference is the image is irrelevant with Loveable Rogues because it's the songs I liked first. Same actually with Lawson when I first heard their material through a friend - this was about six months before they released a single. I'm sorry but only an idiot would say that a large bulk of Union J's appeal isn't based on their looks. I don't have a problem with that unless it's backed up by decent material, and if this song was decent then I would have put my hands up and said so. If it wasn't them releasing this it would be a '#52 in any other situation' scenario. Edited April 23, 201312 yr by ThePensmith
April 23, 201312 yr Weird, I thought One Direction were terrible on the X Factor and showed very little potential outside of the show. I just figured they were one of those token screaming-fan wanks. Union J were miles better than them at that stage on the X Factor, but as you know, One Direction are smashing worldwide and Syco will ensure they get the absolute best material. Let's just say, if there was a song better than Carry You, One Direction would get it. Having said that, I personally think this song is much better than most 1D songs, there's something really classy and understated about it, without being totally mushy (see: WMYB, Gotta Be You, One Thing, More Than This, Little Things). COMPLETELY agree with everything in this post right here. Why are you bringing them into it and calling me superficial? Difference is the image is irrelevant with Loveable Rogues because it's the songs I liked first. Same actually with Lawson when I first heard their material through a friend - this was about six months before they released a single. I'm sorry but only an idiot would say that a large bulk of Union J's appeal isn't based on their looks. I don't have a problem with that unless it's backed up by decent material, and if this song was decent then I would have put my hands up and said so. If it wasn't them releasing this it would be a '#52 in any other situation' scenario. What the actual fluff are you talking about!? He's probably calling you superficial for the same reason you're calling the general public superficial for only buying into them based on their looks (not denying it doesn't have a slight impact for some of course, but stop yo generalising please). AND good god. If you don't like them, stop pretending to justify the reason why with some moral highground and just accept that some people like the song / them as a band. And on what basis would it have been a #52 in any other situation!? Based on the fact that someone who clearly loathed them from the word go and was never going to like anything they produced, still doesn't like them. OH.
April 23, 201312 yr What an absurd post you have there ThePenSmith. It seems to me that you are saying each and every one of us like the Union J song solely based on looks when I can inform you now, that the song itself is decent enough to grasp my appeal for it without factoring the image perspective of them at all.
April 23, 201312 yr Why are you bringing them into it and calling me superficial? Difference is the image is irrelevant with Loveable Rogues because it's the songs I liked first. Same actually with Lawson when I first heard their material through a friend - this was about six months before they released a single. I'm sorry but only an idiot would say that a large bulk of Union J's appeal isn't based on their looks. I don't have a problem with that unless it's backed up by decent material, and if this song was decent then I would have put my hands up and said so. If it wasn't them releasing this it would be a '#52 in any other situation' scenario. You brought Union J up in the Loveable Rogues thread in the first place, with a comment purely based on the respective images of the two groups. You stated that it's nice to see a group who aren't "pretty boys" doing well, essentially. That's not a comment based on perceived music quality or talent, so it's clear that Loveable Rogue's image is actually an important factor to you. I felt compelled to bring this up because you're actually being quite hypocritical across these two threads. P.S. I'm glad you understood me, Bal! :D
April 23, 201312 yr WWMY. One Thing and Kiss You are all far better songs than this and both Liam and Zayn are as good as Jaymi and far better singers than the rest of Union J. I also find One Direction far more distinctive vocally than the singing on this song. The vocals on this could be mistaken for countless boybands from the last few years. Its just so bland. 1D may be cheesy but some of the best pop songs usually are. All just my opinion though. ;)
April 23, 201312 yr I'm sorry but only an idiot would say that a large bulk of Union J's appeal isn't based on their looks. To be honest, ThePensmith does have a point, even if he has a terrible way of displaying it. I'm sure that a lot of girls like them because they're pretty and maybe because they have decent voices as well, although I haven't listened to many of their songs so maybe my opinion isn't valid. But I completely get what everyone else is saying - just because that's the stereotype, it doesn't mean that it applies to everyone. Edited April 23, 201312 yr by Grief
April 23, 201312 yr God forbid saying an opinion! Pensmith does have a point. Little teenage girls will purchase the Union J song no matter how awful it is. STOP JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON.
April 23, 201312 yr To be honest, ThePensmith does have a point, even if he has a terrible way of displaying it. I'm sure that a lot of girls like them because they're pretty and maybe because they have decent voices as well, although I haven't listened to many of their songs so maybe my opinion isn't valid. But I completely get what everyone else is saying - just because that's the stereotype, it doesn't mean that it applies to everyone. I think Griff has got it right. There will be many teenage girls who will be buying this because Union J are a good-looking group and the same has happened with a lot of songs from boybands over the years. HOWEVER, that does not mean that all the sales are coming from people who are buying it because of the way that they look and people will buy the song if it is good. The best possible example is probably 'What Makes You Beautiful' and 'Gotta Be You.' The former is, no matter what your opinion on One Direction, a very good song which is why it has sold so much. The latter probably had most of it's sales from their fanbase as it's not that good and didn't sell that well. Everyone has different opinions on songs and this is awful but I personally don't find it different enough to help establish Union J as a boyband but I don't have an issue with anyone who likes the song.
April 23, 201312 yr I do agree that inevitably some would buy it just cause it's 4 (or 3) hot guys, but Pensmith's post suggested that this was the majority, which completely ignores everything else that goes into making someone buy a song (and as Jay said, he's contradicted himself in other threads, but fair enough if that's his opinion). And Rabbitheart's 1D comparison is probably the best one to give. Some would buy it no matter what, but it's universal appeal comes down to how good a song it is at the end of the day. George has promised if the single gets to #1, he'll go shirtless for us all. :o OK. Comments like this really don't help the arguement :lol:
April 23, 201312 yr Image is and always has been a huge factor in the success of every act that has ever sold a record. Whether you're dumbed down indie (Ed Sheeran), dumbed down indie for gays (Lana Del Rey), ramped up pop to the extent that it's indie (Girls Aloud) or random hot guys (every boyband in the world), your image is just as important as your music in convincing people to invest in you. While the latter group is certainly one of the stronger sales niches, there is no reason to be snobbish about any sector (except the one that thinks they're credible 'cause they like Ed Sheeran but that's another story). As a fan of One Direction, I find them to be very attractive men. However, I would never have purchased their albums were the music not of a high quality to my ears. There is no reason to believe that I am unique, so can we please get back to discussing the actual music here?
April 23, 201312 yr But tbf, artists always say that. Haven't Enrique, Olly Murs and other acts promised to do the same if they "get to number 1"? :lol:
April 23, 201312 yr Image is and always has been a huge factor in the success of every act that has ever sold a record. Explain Daft Punk.
April 23, 201312 yr Explain Daft Punk. I know nothing about them, so I can't comment, but I can't see why their image would matter any less than that of any other act.
April 23, 201312 yr Explain Daft Punk. The novelty factor of them wearing robot masks has surely helped their success...
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