Everybody knows you don't like her but try to be objective: her influence on the recent pop music was huge and spread much beyond the pop cycles conquering the indie mass.

 

The indie/NME crowd like her because her record label put enormous emphasis on getting across the fact that she writes he own lyrics, plays the piano, etc, and she keeps listing old rock icons as her influences.

 

But her actual songs are very poorly produced, and completely lacking in identity. I'd listen to The Wanted or One Direction over Lady Gaga any day. I consider Lady Gaga as a novelty act, much like Bob the Builder or Mr. Blobby. Their success was down to media hype and them wearing silly costumes. Christina and Britney are proper pop stars.

 

Does anyone seeing Animals actually knocking The Monster of the #1 spot next week? Even with the Children In need exposure I don't see that Ellie Goulding track doing *that* much. 3 consecutive weeks at #1 please :wub:.

 

Yeah, I think Animals is a sure-fire #1.

Edited November 4, 201311 yr by Eric_Blob

Does anyone seeing Animals actually knocking The Monster of the #1 spot next week? Even with the Children In need exposure I don't see that Ellie Goulding track doing *that* much. 3 consecutive weeks at #1 please :wub:.

 

All here for my boys Bastille to knock TM off in the following week though.

 

 

Animals does seem to be doing very well on preorders even compared to Storm Queen but id like to see Monster getting a 3 week run at no1 as long as its sales increase!

But her actual songs are very poorly produced, and completely lacking in identity. I'd listen to The Wanted or One Direction over Lady Gaga any day. I consider Lady Gaga as a novelty act, much like Bob the Builder or Mr. Blobby.

You can't be serious about that surely? No matter whether you're a fan of her or not, you can't deny that songs like 'Bad Romance' or 'Poker Face' are truly innovative and influential pop records and will long be regarded as pop classics. Although if you mean her more recent work then yes you could argue it lacks the identity of those classics.

You can't be serious about that surely? No matter whether you're a fan of her or not, you can't deny that songs like 'Bad Romance' or 'Poker Face' are truly innovative and influential pop records and will long be regarded as pop classics. Although if you mean her more recent work then yes you could argue it lacks the identity of those classics.

 

No, Poker Face and Bad Romance are boring. They sound like something Taio Cruz or Pitbull would release. If Lady Gaga released Taio's Break Your Heart back in 2009 everybody would be worhsipping that and calling it a classic too.

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HIEDsnonFQI/S-LPgpNJxAI/AAAAAAAADOY/rZtGKH8Mg0k/s1600/lady-gaga-kermit.jpg

 

^ This is somehow her being "creative", but I think it's pathetic and desperate.

Britney and Christina are better, and more influential pop stars than Lady Gaga can ever dream of being.

 

:rofl:

No, Poker Face and Bad Romance are boring. They sound like something Taio Cruz or Pitbull would release. If Lady Gaga released Taio's Break Your Heart back in 2009 everybody would be worhsipping that and calling it a classic too.

 

Do you GENUINELY believe that? Because if you do, then OH f***ing dear.

 

I've read some absolute nonsense from Gaga haters in my time but this, QUITE POSSIBLY, is the most absurd thing I've ever read. :mellow:

Edited November 4, 201311 yr by Lady Gaga

"Bad Romance" was, and still is, a dreadful song. And I'm not saying that as a Gaga "hater" - "The Edge Of Glory" is probably among my top few tracks of the last five years.

 

And yes to the "image over substance" type comments due to the stupid costumes at times, but remember half the reason Britney Spears became a big name back in 1999 was dressing up as a sexy schoolgirl for people to perv over.

 

 

Anyway, too far off topic now. Back to itunes charts.

 

Mariah Carey's Christmas staple now inside top 250, 200 or so places ahead of the Pogues & Kirsty. Wham! as noted yesterday beginnng to appear inside top 1500 along with Band Aid, plus Justin Bieber's "Mistletoe"

Edited November 4, 201311 yr by fchd

I love how Lady Gaga brings out the true mentalist in Eric_Blob.

Do you GENUINELY believe that? Because if you do, then OH f***ing dear.

 

I've read some absolute nonsense from Gaga haters in my time but this, QUITE POSSIBLY, is the most absurd thing I've ever read. :mellow:

 

Is it really that absurd? Look at it this way, if they had released each other's songs at the time:

 

Lady Gaga - Break Your Heart

Taio Cruz - Poker Face

 

I guarantee you Poker Face would be regarded as a generic, forgotten song, and Break Your Heart would be regarded today as an iconic, influential song.

Is it really that absurd? Look at it this way, if they had released each other's songs at the time:

 

Lady Gaga - Break Your Heart

Taio Cruz - Poker Face

 

I guarantee you Poker Face would be regarded as a generic, forgotten song, and Break Your Heart would be regarded today as an iconic, influential song.

 

Gaga's persona during The Fame era (particularly while Poker Face was dominating) was why it was so big and why people see it as so influential and iconic. Imo, without Gaga behind these songs, they would not have been half as huge as they were and would not be known as one of these 'future classics'. But that's not taking away from the songs themselves as they were pretty amazing (and that's coming from someone who doesn't actually like Poker Face but always preferred Just Dance).

 

It's different now anyway, cause obviously we're looking back and we know just how big her career has gone but at that time, it wasn't particularly about Poker Face or Bad Romance as their own songs, it was about Gaga as this relatively new artist who brought something new to the pop game (in the sense of artistry), the brilliant songs were just apart of the whole package.

Edited November 4, 201311 yr by Mental Phipps

Everybody knows you don't like her but try to be objective: her influence on the recent pop music was huge and spread much beyond the pop cycles conquering the indie mass.

 

I wouldn't say she conquered the indie mass.

My indie friends don't give a shit about her and to their eyes she is just like Britney, Christina, Katy... A pop manufactured act.

 

I don't say it as a negative thing but people should stop over-estimating Gaga's influence. Out of the pop scene she is quite irrevealant.

Edited November 4, 201311 yr by Hayzayy

I think 'Bad Romance' is fantastic at parties and I regard it as a classic song in my life, although I think Gaga has a couple of better singles if you just consider them musically.

I wouldn't say she conquered the indie mass.

My indie friends don't give a shit about her and to their eyes she is just like Britney, Christina, Katy... A pop manufactured act.

 

I don't say it as a negative thing but people should stop over-estimating Gaga's influence. Out of the pop scene she is quite irrevealant.

Right? Just have a look at these indie and alternative blogs who do not give two shits about what Gaga does or releases. The only time she's ever been the tiniest part of that world, was during Bad Romance when everyone was raving about her (even pitchfork).

I wouldn't say she conquered the indie mass.

My indie friends don't give a shit about her and to their eyes she is just like Britney, Christina, Katy... A pop manufactured act.

 

I don't say it as a negative thing but people should stop over-estimating Gaga's influence. Out of the pop scene she is quite irrevealant.

I didn't say she conquered EVERYONE in the indie-esque crowd. But the appeal is wider than of those you mentioned above.

 

Mind you, I'm saying that as not a Gaga fan at all.

The The monster is above 95% now

My indie friends don't give a shit about her and to their eyes she is just like Britney, Christina, Katy... A pop manufactured act.

 

Because she is mainstream, and pop!

 

Yet she is more of an artist than the likes of Britney, Katy, Xtina all put together since she has a real personal style, writes songs and lyrics. (even if Xtina vocaly outclasses her by miles)

She is mainstream yes , still not a clean-cut pop star like Madonna or Britney; Gaga is weird. I respect her ability to write and express herself but there are people outside the 'pop circle' who can do this even better. Despite respecting her abilities (and trend), personally I am not really touched by most of the things she writes either. She is a fascinating new-age popstar nevertheless. (it shows even better when she adds some stripped down parts to her performance)

The indie/NME crowd like her because her record label put enormous emphasis on getting across the fact that she writes he own lyrics, plays the piano, etc, and she keeps listing old rock icons as her influences.

 

But her actual songs are very poorly produced, and completely lacking in identity. I'd listen to The Wanted or One Direction over Lady Gaga any day. I consider Lady Gaga as a novelty act, much like Bob the Builder or Mr. Blobby. Their success was down to media hype and them wearing silly costumes. Christina and Britney are proper pop stars.

Yeah, I think Animals is a sure-fire #1.

 

If a proper pop star means being told by the record comany what songs to sing, having your image designed for you and having others writing your songs for you, then yes, Britney in particular is a ´proper´pop star.

 

GaGa brings artistry, passion, eprsonaltiy, creativity and a wannabe-indie vibe to the pop world.

 

bad Romance is a perfect pop song, her best and an absolute classic - I still listen to it now. As do people I know who like rock music, a lot of them have that song on their ipods along with Just Dance!

 

Who still listens to Baby one More Time or Britney´s albums? I can only listen to In the Zone.

 

Lady gaGa develops her own music and pushes the boundaries of music.

 

Britney Spears meanwhile is releasing another dance track with weak, outdated vocals.

 

One last thing: GaGa has a massive, powerful voice. What about your faves?

Edited November 4, 201311 yr by Michael!

Having a "massive, powerful" voice means nothing if you can't make out what she is trying to sing in her songs. Gaga has terrible diction in alot of her songs,

especially in Dope.

The indie/NME crowd like her because her record label put enormous emphasis on getting across the fact that she writes he own lyrics, plays the piano, etc, and she keeps listing old rock icons as her influences.

 

But her actual songs are very poorly produced, and completely lacking in identity. I'd listen to The Wanted or One Direction over Lady Gaga any day. I consider Lady Gaga as a novelty act, much like Bob the Builder or Mr. Blobby. Their success was down to media hype and them wearing silly costumes. Christina and Britney are proper pop stars.

Yeah, I think Animals is a sure-fire #1.

Don't tell me why I like her. If it were so easy to talk up someone's credibility like that, why does no one do it with other pop stars? Her rock-influenced songs are often a bit of a pastiche but she understands that what makes a good pop song stretches back more than the last five years, unlike Britney's writing team.

 

Oh and success is always down to media hype, so let's put that one to bed now.

Don't tell me why I like her. If it were so easy to talk up someone's credibility like that, why does no one do it with other pop stars? Her rock-influenced songs are often a bit of a pastiche but she understands that what makes a good pop song stretches back more than the last five years, unlike Britney's writing team.

 

Oh and success is always down to media hype, so let's put that one to bed now.

 

Pretty much this.

 

Lady GaGa is the most credible pop star and Britney one of the least.