Clearly not money.

Not everything is about money!

There was more to Independence than Oil.

I mean it wasn't treated as an irrelevancy when prospects were looking rosier...

 

(I'd still vote Yes tomorrow btw)

Of course it wasn't irrelevant and it's nice to have, but there are other perks to being an independent sovereign state that outweigh the (massive) benefits a high oil price brings.

 

 

Oil won't stay at $40/barrel forever. The Saudi's will eventually run out of cash and slash production to increase the price.

Not everything is about money!

Nope, but if it's gonna be the main answer every time you're asked how you're going to be an economically viable state without either severely raising taxes or cutting spending...well, for all the claims of 'talking Scotland down' and 'smearmongering and fearmongering', it all pretty much turned out to be right in the end, didn't it? (And let's not get started on the current line that independence will magically lead to the 'right' decisions being taken to make Scotland more prosperous and generate more income...)

 

The basic lesson that so many never seem to learn is that you will never get a solid majority behind an idea if you can't reassure people they will be economically secure. Not everything is about money, but people rarely stand behind a platform which puts nearly everything ahead of it.

Of course it wasn't irrelevant and it's nice to have

It wasn't irrelevant, but it was certainly a fair chunk more than 'nice to have' - the leaked Swinney memo made that fairly clear. Considering how much the SNP made their name out of measures such as freezing council tax you can be pretty sure said perks wouldn't be looking quite so bright to most, given the pittance a council tax rise would be compared with how much taxes would be going up now just to keep things *as they are*...

i hope scotland will always be the part of UK

Anyone care to change their stance of Scottish Independence in light of this morning events.

The benefits of being the sole member of the EU in the UK probably outweighs the fall in the oil price in terms of GDP, so yes.

Never have I been more happy to have been born in Scotland. I was against independence before, but the UK's position in the world has changed overnight and it might be time to think again.

If Scotland becomes an independent nation, what rules have the SNP proposed for acquiring Scottish citizenship?

Bye bye Scotland!

 

Don't let Rupert Murdoch's Little England Minions drag you down.

 

Now!! Will yhe North East choose to join Scotland seeing as it voted so emphatically against the EU?!

If Scotland becomes an independent nation, what rules have the SNP proposed for acquiring Scottish citizenship?

I can't remember offhand but I still have the white paper and I will check this evening.

 

I imagine it's along the lines of anyone who meets a residency test, was born in Scotland before the divorce or has Scottish parentage. I.e the current population of Scotland, it's expats and the descendants of Scottish Nationals in line with typical nationality laws of EU nations

Thats a shame. I was hoping it would include any english people who want to move there before the new EU border goes in .... :(

My parents had their honeymoon in Scotland. Is that good enough?

Hope my city votes to join Scotland.

 

#takeuswithyou

 

 

#yesmeansaye

If you can't get Scottish nationality, try looking up your Irish ancestry, they have very welcoming laws on people with Irish descent, and they recognize dual nationality so you won't need to give up your British citizenship. There are a few other countries with similar policies.

 

Estonia have this e-residency programme, so you can sign up on the internet and receive an Estonian government ID a special category of residency. There are flaws to this, as you don't get Estonian citizenship, but it's worth considering.

 

Failing that, you can hop across the Channel, and get French nationality in five years, but there are a few conditions: if you're still working, you'll need all of your salary reports in order to be retired by the age of 70, and you'll need to be able to speak the language, know the country's culture, its history, etc. For Belgium, you need to live there for three years before getting citizenship.

 

Have a look around for countries which let you gain citizenship quickly, but I think Belgium's 3 years is the shortest you'll get.

You've obviously done some of the same research I did earlier this week :lol: Belgium's was the shortest residence requirement I found as well. The language requirement seems to be fairly standard, and some countries - Germany for example - don't allow dual citizenship.

As promised earlier, this is the summary table from the 600 page white paper "Scotland's Future" published 3 years ago:

 

 

 

I personally have been looking at Belgium as an option and got in contact with the German Embassy at 4am this morning about my options for becoming a fully fledged German. Unfortunately I was born 11 years too early to gain citizenship through being born in Germany. They do naturalise citizens living outside of its borders but it is rare and fluent German is a requirement.

Thanks for that. So, if I move to Scotland before I-Day, I can acquire Scottish citizenship. Time to do some research on Rightmove :D