Just got back from this and after a full day of reading some rather mixed reviews I can say that I was pleasantly surprised. Okay, it's too long, like way too long. It takes ages to get to the point, but when it does, it's so good. I thought the climax was super thrilling and Wonder Woman provided a real moment. *.* the tone has been criticised for being too 'dark', but I liked Snyder's vision and didn't see any issues with it. It's meant to be brooding.

 

(Much better than Man of Steel which I really didn't take to)

Mehhh. Same shit. Different film.

 

It's so infuriating coz the cast are great choices! Ughhhh

I saw it again and still think it's good - better than Age of Ultron in fact. It's the best depiction of a female super hero I've seen on screen (not that there's been much competition there). The plot has serious issues with how it's telling the story but true visual focus on Metropolis and Gotham is done really well IMO. Amy Adams also makes her Lois Lane a lot more interesting this time round.

Still hyped for this despite the reviews, seeing it next Friday!

Still hyped for this despite the reviews, seeing it next Friday!

 

Mine's the only one that matters :P

 

 

I saw it again and still think it's good - better than Age of Ultron in fact. It's the best depiction of a female super hero I've seen on screen (not that there's been much competition there). The plot has serious issues with how it's telling the story but true visual focus on Metropolis and Gotham is done really well IMO. Amy Adams also makes her Lois Lane a lot more interesting this time round.

#SlaymyAdams

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Agreed about Amy. Her and Cavill have great chemistry together! However the plot was far too over the place again for me to get fully invested. The last 40 mins or so was decent enough and flowed a lot better. I'm putting the averageness of it all down to Zack. Wonder Woman was on point though, I agree. Also I thought a lot of the CGI was ropey af and the fight sequences (especially that one shot) seemed really lazy to me. :(

was it me or did Amy Adams have a

nip slip

?

Seeing this tomorrow evening.

Mixed reviews or not I don't care too much if the plot's a bit messy and it's overlong. I find Superman to be an annoying character anyway although Cavill was okay last time so I'm not concerned there.

 

I want the tone to be dark, serious and humourless so as long as they've got Batman right I will be happy.

I agree about Superman, I've never much enjoyed him in comics or movies, the supporting characters are always better. Such as Lois :kink:

Ben seems to be getting good reviews as Batman, looking forward to seeing him in the role.

Spoilers ahead

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My thoughts on the film are mainly that it is much better than reviews might have you believe, although it isn't perfect.

The cast is good throughout, with Affleck being particularly so but the script is occasionally clunky and sometimes daft. Seriously, if you're going to stop the fight for those reasons then you need to develop that part of the characters better.

 

And that's is one of the films problems - yes everything IS there but much of it is rushed through with only a line or two of dialogue to explain it and the film does tend to assume you've seen Man Of Steel, and that you understand the characters already. This seems reasonable as they are both iconic figures and is less problematic for Superman but it can surprising how many people view Batman simplistically - As a hero, or 'good guy', even though outside of the movies he's often sociopathic, conflicted, paranoid and every bit as messed up as someone like The Joker. Affleck plays Batman as an embittered and jaded older version who's been around long enough to know that the good guys don't usually win, and when they do it's only short term. This Batman is brutal.

 

Affleck is the film's greatest strength, but the weight of his and others backstory is it's biggest downfall. Everything is in broad strokes. We see the costume of the recently murdered Robin, but with no dialogue to inform or add depth to the feelings implied. The film's political thriller element is rushed and disconnected. The film jumps from one plot thread to another without ever really clicking into gear with any. The whole sub-plot of the Nairomi affair tarnishing Superman's hero status could have been dropped in favour or focussing solely on the fallout from the ending of the first film, and cutting that would have allowed for a tighter focus on developing the characters and the plots elements that really mattered.

 

If Affleck is the standout then Wonder Woman is not far behind. She blazes in like a breath of fresh air near the end and lifts the film out of it's darkness with wit and panache. For the first time on the big screen a female superhero is finally given the treatment such a character deserves as she shows the boys how it's done. The upcoming solo film now seems much more enticing than before.

Alas, for everything great about Diana Prince the opposite is true of Lois Lane. Amy Adams brings all she can to the role but the character appears to exist solely to be saved time and again by Superman. A worryingly high FOUR TIMES in the film she has to be rescued by Kal-El and it demotes an interesting character to damsel in distress too often. Lois Lane was written better for Margot Kidder's version.

Jesse Eisenberg is ok but a little too twitchy and neurotic to start with. Never does he come across as the genius Lex Luthor is supposed to be.

 

But the big fight is what everyone wants to see and the hero face off doesn't disappoint and because we know they must team up we can forgive the clunky way in which it is executed. The films fight scenes and the Batmobile chase are a visual feast and enthralling stuff. Much of which does appear indebted to the Arkham and Injustice video games.

 

In summary, the film will appeal to fans of the titular heroes and anyone who has an attention to detail will follow the plot without problems There's plenty of big action scenes if you enjoy the build up but if a grim tone, a barely detailed plot and charcters you are expected to understand already are not your thing then you might be disappointed.

I've just seen this, and really thought it was good, not great just good. There was a lot of potential for something incredible, but overall it was quite a mess and the trailers spoiled way too much, thankfully I didn't watch them until after, and it does give away way too many key points in the movie. Also the reason for Batman hating Superman was well explained, but there didn't seem to be a reason for Superman to hate him and I would have liked more of a build up to that epic fight scene, as there seemed to be way too many concidences.

 

The cast = Ben Affleck was superb as Batman and definitely proved everyone wrong. He showed a more mature and darker side to both Bruce Wayne and Batman. but I would have liked to have seen more of him in the Batsuit, coz those scenes were awesome. Gal Gabot was astounding as Wonder Woman, although it took way too long for her to show up, but when she does at the battle, it was awesome, she kicked ass. Also in her normal form she was very interesting yet mysterious and honestly think that she and Ben had great chemistry, and could they maybe be a couple. Henry Cavil was decent as Superman, definitely much better than 'Man Of Steel' his fight with Batman was great and they just worked really well of each other. Amy Adams, I thought she was terrific as always as Lois Lane and she and Henry have great chemistry between them, but my only annoyance that she did seem to be more damsel in distress this time round, I mean how many times did Superman have to save her. Jeremy Irons has Alfred was great, always loved this actor and in a decent movie he can definitely shine, and loved his interactions with Bruce/Ben, they had a real flow together and kept things interesting. Jesse Eisenberg to be honest I thought was the weak link in the chain, okay he wasn't terrible, in fact he was quite good, but honestly I didn't find him that threatening. He's too young for the part in my opinion.

 

The first half of the movie is kinda like a Crime Thriller, which was interesting, but then some of the other scenes like the way the other Justice League Members gets introduced was kinda half assed and lazy. But overall I enjoyed this.

well that'd be a serious rewrite of the characters if it were true and Supes was mad with power :lol: Superman is the sane, moral, righteous, self-sacrificing Everyman, Batman is the dark, fractured, rich, suspicious, judgemental risk-taker.

 

The film's climax: Batman learns to trust someone other than Alfred....Superman learns he can trust fellow-super-heroes to do the right-thing when it comes down to it, and he can't do it alone.

 

I'll just cut n paste that last sentence when I see it :lol:

 

after critical reviews my expectations were low, which probably helped. It's OK to good 6 or 7 out of 10, but has serious plotting flaws from the point of view of a lifelong DC Comics/Supes/Bats fan, though it's not the terrible film some have been claiming.

 

I was taken along fine with the plotting up until the point where Batman and Superman actually fight, at which point Batman ceases to be darkly heroic, turns completely dense (he's supposed to be the world's greatest detective, not a dumb pouty spiteful killer who blames someone who isn't to blame) and then has a miraculous turnabout over one name. Talk about contrived!

 

I liked the cast, I loved the set-up for Justice League, but the ending goes against my quoted half-serious quip, and doesn't have the desired effect on me since we know it's not true before the film even starts. It's also far too long. Dump all the dream sequences, the desert sequence, the Batman/Superman fight and change the ending...

 

Could have been great but DC still can't get the magic of Marvel at the movies for super-hero slugfests, and it's the scripts at the heart of it. I'm a DC Comics fan not a Marvel comics fan so it pains me to say that :lol:

The audience reaction seems to have been generally a lot better than the critical one. Most people seem to agree that it's a decent and entertaining but flawed film. I'm glad it's had such a good box office taking in wake of the reviews, because I feel how it's been received is pretty unjust, especially when it's had similar write-ups to Fantastic Four which was so much worse.

Dump all the dream sequences, the desert sequence, the Batman/Superman fight and change the ending...

I agree it's flawed and overlong but that desert dream/Flash vision sequence is of massive significance to the ongoing story.

 

 

Plus Doomsday is famous for killing Superman so it had to happen

 

I agree it's flawed and overlong but that desert dream/Flash vision sequence is of massive significance to the ongoing story.

 

 

Plus Doomsday is famous for killing Superman so it had to happen

 

I suppose. I wasn't overly keen on the sprawling storyline as such, it needed to be more focused on the core plot points for a tighter movie, and just take for granted all of the origin stuff which we've seen many times before.

 

I'd say:

the reason why batman is pissed off (fine), the main villain (Luthor) and his motives, and drop the silliness (every man and his dog seems to know everybody's secret identities which logically means the end now of at least Clark Kent and maybe Bruce Wayne in the franchises). In terms of the ending, everyone knows it's a crock and there is sufficient motive to create a JLA without it (I'm afraid I was also dubious of the hyped sales-boosting comic original, golden goose killing and all :lol: )

 

When they killed off Supergirl the character stayed dead 2 or 3 decades - till the TV show anyway.. B-)

 

 

 

I suppose. I wasn't overly keen on the sprawling storyline as such, it needed to be more focused on the core plot points for a tighter movie, and just take for granted all of the origin stuff which we've seen many times before.

 

I'd say:

the reason why batman is pissed off (fine), the main villain (Luthor) and his motives, and drop the silliness (every man and his dog seems to know everybody's secret identities which logically means the end now of at least Clark Kent and maybe Bruce Wayne in the franchises). In terms of the ending, everyone knows it's a crock and there is sufficient motive to create a JLA without it (I'm afraid I was also dubious of the hyped sales-boosting comic original, golden goose killing and all :lol: )

 

When they killed off Supergirl the character stayed dead 2 or 3 decades - till the TV show anyway.. B-)

 

 

 

Zack Snyder has pointed out that the formation of the JLA is more of a challenge and more likely when lead by Batman than it would be if Superman was involved. With Superman being almost indestructible there's little argument for the JLA to be needed.

 

It also gives the Superman character a rest for the time being and allows the others to be developed more

 

I think both reasons are good points.

 

Edited March 29, 20169 yr by Severin

It was long, sometimes didn't flow and there were moments of 'why wasn't this cut?' I couldn't quite understand why everybody was doing what they were doing other than the fact that the plot demanded it.

 

Rated the acting though except for Jesse Eisenberg who I can't stand in anything.

So much better than the previous outing, and pretty much I knew how it was going to end. I also agree the film is a bit too long, and they didn't had to flesh out the origin of Batman at the beginning. And Wonder Woman was pretty much on point and the dream sequence that showed the JL characters. Bring on the Justice League movie, as far as I know its not released till the summer of 2018. One last thing I was in 2 minds over Ben Afleck as Batman, he brings something different to the table and he has won me over.

So, this was considerably LESS shit than I was expecting (and truthfully, hoping). It seemed to learn the lesson from Man Of Steel that a movie requires a story, plus Michael Shannon was reduced to silent corpse which is about all he's good for. I hated Batman, but then I hate every Batman bar Michael Keaton so that's nothing new. At least he was a vast improvement over Bale, and Jeremy Irons was also a bast improvement over Michael Caine. Henry Cavill still has zero charisma/ability to emote in any way other than a rage/distress/constipated combo of boring.

 

I didn't hate Lex, which was unexpected given Jesse is usually awful. Quite WHY he did everything he did is still a bit of a mystery to me, but then Superman's obsession with Batman was equally poorly explained. But yeah the main improvement here was stuff actually happened that wasn't just punch, smash, building explodes, mumble talk, end. Obviously there was LOADS of that too and the titular fight was so f***ing dull until Wonder Woman arrived. The brief moments of levity around her totally lifted the film, it was still deathly serious and the feeling of smugness about how dark and clever and amazing it all is was still apparent throughout, but SOME levity improved it a little. Batman's costume though was the funniest thing about the whole movie, it was like he was a MINI TANK or armoured vehicle trudging along and the PAINED expression on his mask was just perfect/the worst thing ever.

 

Will I watch it again? Probably not, but at least I have some positive feelings towards it unlike MoS. 5/10