Cameron effectively setting out who you could expect to be at the top table if they win next year. Hague and Clarke are gone, meaning there's virtually no trace of previous Tory governments. Nicky Morgan replaces Michael Gove as Education Secretary, Philip Hammond goes to Foreign. Both a bit scary.

 

It seems to me that Cameron wants to have who he sees as "his people" around him but he's now in a position where he's easily one of the most moderate people in his own Cabinet. A lot of Osborne's allies seem to have been promoted, make of that what you will.

 

 

Cue lots of sleepwalking out of the EU jokes.

Cameron claims to want the UK to remain in the EU. Appointing someone who wants to leave the EU as Foreign Secretary is a rather strange way of showing it. Mind you, this is the PM who appointed a climate change denier as Environment Secretary (now gone thank goodness) and a supporter of homeopathy as Health Secretary (still there alas) so I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.

 

The good news is that Gove has gone from Education :cheer: . If you need to buy any champagne from somewhere within a few miles of a school you had better hurry before they sell out. The bad news is that it will take a very long time to clear up the mess Gove leaves behind.

Cameron claims to want the UK to remain in the EU. Appointing someone who wants to leave the EU as Foreign Secretary is a rather strange way of showing it. Mind you, this is the PM who appointed a climate change denier as Environment Secretary (now gone thank goodness) and a supporter of homeopathy as Health Secretary (still there alas) so I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.

 

The good news is that Gove has gone from Education :cheer: . If you need to buy any champagne from somewhere within a few miles of a school you had better hurry before they sell out. The bad news is that it will take a very long time to clear up the mess Gove leaves behind.

 

oh my word yes, the education system (and cost to the taxpayer) has essentially been privatised by offering bribe ultimatums to schools, take it or suffer. All those years of improved social equality at least in education, undone. Now schools are opening in office blocks under people with agendas. It'll take years and years to sort out the mess unless Labour promise to reform and return the status quo.

 

On the list of election promises? I only ask cos I haven't heard diddly about it...

 

 

oh my word yes, the education system (and cost to the taxpayer) has essentially been privatised by offering bribe ultimatums to schools, take it or suffer. All those years of improved social equality at least in education, undone. Now schools are opening in office blocks under people with agendas. It'll take years and years to sort out the mess unless Labour promise to reform and return the status quo.

 

On the list of election promises? I only ask cos I haven't heard diddly about it...

Labour's pathetic opposition to Gove (or lack of it) is almost as criminal as Gove himself.

No doubt the teachers will be happy that the much-hated Gove is gone! They hate all Education Secretaries though as they can't bear anyone standing up to them and think, wrongly, that they always know best.

 

I've always liked Hague, sad that he never became PM.

Labour's pathetic opposition to Gove (or lack of it) is almost as criminal as Gove himself.

 

Education is a perfect example of how the political world and the real world are parallel universes. I'm constantly reading that Labour need to support the free schools and academies nonsense to be "credible" and so they're too terrified to do anything apart from propose pathetic little tweaks, yet in the real world those "reforms" are massively unpopular - among parents as well as teachers.

IDS should have gone from DWP. Pity whoever has to sort out the mess though after Atos. No doubt IDS wants to try and implement his latest attack on the sick, forcing them to have CBT or other treatment if depressed. Even Tory MP's are against it. You can't force someone to seek medical help if they don't want it. :rolleyes:

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IDS should have gone from DWP. Pity whoever has to sort out the mess though after Atos. No doubt IDS wants to try and implement his latest attack on the sick, forcing them to have CBT or other treatment if depressed. Even Tory MP's are against it. You can't force someone to seek medical help if they don't want it. :rolleyes:

There are a number of possible reasons why Duncan Smith is staying

 

1) After the supposed leak saying he would be leaving Cameron had to do something to prove the leak to be untrue. Of course, a cynic might suggest the leak came from someone close to Duncan Smith.

 

2) Cameron is as stupid as Duncan Smith and therefore thinks his reforms have worked well. In fact, his Universal Credit scheme has been such a disaster that the body set up by this government to monitor major projects have said it should be treated as if it was starting from scratch. Of course the government managed to get the report released the day after the local elections so not many people noticed.

 

3) Cameron offered the job to other people but they didn't want to spend the next ten months trying to clear up the mess - or at least trying to prevent it getting any worse. Therefore, he was left with no alternative but to keep Duncan Smith.

No doubt the teachers will be happy that the much-hated Gove is gone! They hate all Education Secretaries though as they can't bear anyone standing up to them and think, wrongly, that they always know best.

 

I've always liked Hague, sad that he never became PM.

No Education Secretary has been as universally loathed as Gove.

No doubt the teachers will be happy that the much-hated Gove is gone! They hate all Education Secretaries though as they can't bear anyone standing up to them and think, wrongly, that they always know best.

 

I've always liked Hague, sad that he never became PM.

 

You're right, just about every teacher is like this. The only reason we're teachers is to belittle everyone and go on about being correct all the time. People with no experience in the profession should totally be making up the rules.

 

My goodness, do you even read what you type?

Despite rumours locally to the contrary, Theresa Villiers seems to be staying on as Northern Ireland minister. David Cameron must really hate her.

You're right, just about every teacher is like this. The only reason we're teachers is to belittle everyone and go on about being correct all the time. People with no experience in the profession should totally be making up the rules.

 

My goodness, do you even read what you type?

 

I enjoy a bit of sarcasm. :lol: I went to a teacher training college and lots of my life-long friends are teachers. They do the job because they want children to get the best start in life, and on the whole they know what's what, it's not just whinging. People who do jobs for good reasons (and this applies to much-hated local government staff) put up with slagging offs constantly in the media, when they could quite easily give up their professionally-trained vocation and do something better-paid and morals-free, like investment banking, estate agents, media-relations, consultants, or career-politicians. Fairly sure society would function pretty well without most of the latter, and pretty badly without the former.

 

Oh if only I could tell you all what's going on in one local council (politically-imposed) without getting taken to court and fired.

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No doubt the teachers will be happy that the much-hated Gove is gone! They hate all Education Secretaries though as they can't bear anyone standing up to them and think, wrongly, that they always know best.

 

I've always liked Hague, sad that he never became PM.

So the people who do the job day in day out don't know their role and responsibilities better than some politician who has never been in education?

 

Once again you show your utter ignorance to the world at large.

So the people who do the job day in day out don't know their role and responsibilities better than some politician who has never been in education?

 

 

Yes of course they do but things don't always stay the same from one decade to another and sometimes things have to change in all areas of life including education. Gove was very passionate aout his job and improving education and things wont change much in 10 months with a new person in charge. Also, Government policy is not made up by one minister. Has to be collectively agreed in Cabinet so think Gove was unfairly hated by teachers.

I don't really agree with many of the changes that Gove brought in, nonetheless the point you are continually avoiding to address Chris is the WAY in which he brought about these changes. Some would argue that these changes needed to be made, but by bulldozing them through with little or no regard for those it will affect - he ended up just making enemies of people, and couldn't ever see it from their point of view. That is why he was a huge failure.

 

He wasn't unfairly hated IMO, an absolutely useless Education secretary with little understanding of how people react to change.

Yes of course they do but things don't always stay the same from one decade to another and sometimes things have to change in all areas of life including education. Gove was very passionate aout his job and improving education and things wont change much in 10 months with a new person in charge. Also, Government policy is not made up by one minister. Has to be collectively agreed in Cabinet so think Gove was unfairly hated by teachers.

 

I agree they all deserve the blame. I disagree the changes are for the better. half of teachers time and efforts are taken up with bureaucracy instead of teaching. Just the same in local gov. It's all very well imposing Freedom of Information, health & Safety, Data Protection etc etc, and listing this or that and putting facts and figures on the net for the public, but the requirements fall on existing staff (and therefore stopping them doing what they were hired in the first place to do), with no extra wages, no extra IT, no extra staff, and quite frankly we end up servicing a large proportion of time wasters: the lazy press fishing for non-stories they can make up from statistics (when there are plenty of actual-to-goodness scoops they could be digging for), or nosey members of the public who also think they can dig out dirt that doesn't exist, or commercial companies looking for the taxpayer to do their research for them (so they can do mass mail-outs or find customers), or students looking for the taxpayer to do their assignments for them.

 

Any problems in the system have been created by Government, not by the (same) people who have been doing the job for 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. Most cock-ups are created by arrogant, ambitious people coming in with no real knowledge of what they are doing or what the consequences will be. There are always consequences. Only an idiot truly believes that every action doesn't have a good and/or bad consequence. The problem is that anyone who points out very likely consequences gets to be seen as an obstacle and removed, regardless of how right they turn out to be.

Yes of course they do but things don't always stay the same from one decade to another and sometimes things have to change in all areas of life including education. Gove was very passionate aout his job and improving education and things wont change much in 10 months with a new person in charge. Also, Government policy is not made up by one minister. Has to be collectively agreed in Cabinet so think Gove was unfairly hated by teachers.

That's not entirely true. A lot of Gove's changes have been introduced by ministerial decree. The extent to which they are discussed in Cabinet is largely up to the PM. As this particular PM has given good reason to believe he isn't very interested in detail I suspect many of the changes have had very little discussion.

 

This is why I have been saying for many years (if not decades) that all governments should apply the "that lot over there test". Before granting themselves new powers they should look at the opposition and ask themselves "Are we willing to give these powers to that lot over there?". If the answer is not an unequivocal Yes then they should not grant themselves that power. After all, "that lot over there" will be the government one day and they could unwittingly be giving those powers to an ideologue like Gove.

 

It seems fairly obvious that Gove has been moved because he had become so unpopular. However, there are suggestions that he will be rather more visible than most Chief Whips so there will be plenty of opportunity for people to be reminded what an odious creature he is.

Something else to consider - all the sacked ministers will receive a generous pay-off. If the Tories lose the election all the new ministers appointed over the last couple days will also receive a pay-off. A cynic might think this is a way of lining the pockets of as many Tories as possible.

 

Not only that, Mark Harper quit as an immigration minister earlier this year because he had employed an illegal immigrant as a cleaner. He too will have receive a pay-off. Now, just a matter of months later, he is back as a minister at the DWP.

Yes of course they do but things don't always stay the same from one decade to another and sometimes things have to change in all areas of life including education. Gove was very passionate aout his job and improving education and things wont change much in 10 months with a new person in charge. Also, Government policy is not made up by one minister. Has to be collectively agreed in Cabinet so think Gove was unfairly hated by teachers.

 

Just five words for you Chris:

 

Change does not equal Improvement.

This story sums up why so many teachers despised Gove and everything he stands for.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/...elson?CMP=fb_gu

 

It is true that he built on the last government's obsession with league tables but Gove took it to a new extreme.