No - never been vetoed, ans that rumour that I have had more vetoes than entries is just a nasty rumour started by my haterz!!

 

Have had loads od songs taken though - including a winner!!!, that very same month I decided to send something else!!! - and most eecently a top 5!

But the fact this same thing happens each month suggests it is a bit of a problem no? :mellow: Just ask those who've been affected and have made remarks in this thread. I think you could at least consider the suggestion of Rollo as well as being something to try. I mean yes it doesn't happen to everyone each time, but those who are constantly "bullied" into having to reconfirm because they weren't given ample warning or whatever does seem to me to be a bit harsh.

 

I'm pretty sure what Phil meant by it being a problem that doesn't exist is that no one actually thinks it's unfair that entries are first come first serve - I certainly don't see anyone in this thread making that argument apart from you (and you even said that it hasn't affected you so I don't quite understand why you're suddenly trying to make it an issue on others' behalf! Especially when this has been the system for over a decade and a half with absolutely zero controversy as far as I recall). At worst it's something that can just be a little annoying if people don't see the thread quickly enough, but any alternative "solution" would just shift that annoyance to someone else (and imo be significantly more unfair).

 

As Phil also said though, the majority of the time people's first choice entries do stand (at least to face the veto framework). This month has been more heavy with entry clashes than the usual and even then there have been only 6 people whose first choice of entry was already taken out of 39 entrants so far. It's really not that hard to avoid entry clashes (certainly on a regular basis) if you're even moderately inspired with your entry choices, usually if a song is confirmed by multiple people then there's a pretty good reason to have suspected it might, e.g. the artist having a proven track record of BJSC success and/or the song being a new and relatively hyped release, as several of the people involved in the clashes this month have outright said. (There are occasionally less obvious clashes but it is what it is).

 

Re: giving advance notice of the time confirmations are opening, that is actually something that was more common in the contest years back and there's no reason hosts can't still do that now if they want to, but most have naturally drifted away from that to either just posting the date or dropping confirmations without any warning at all. I don't see any need to regulate this. If anything having the time advertised would surely only make this "problem" worse - if multiple people are going for the same song and show up to confirm at the earliest possible moment then you'll end up with songs having multiple confirmations within minutes if not seconds of each other (source: this did happen a lot of the time back in the day), at that point it could literally come down to who has faster Internet speed lol, I'd say that is just about the only way you could construe the first come first serve system as being unfair.

 

And re: the suggestion of asking people to provide backup entries... it's always good practice to have a backup entry in mind especially if you suspect your entry may be vetoed or double confirmed - I'd personally say if you think your entry will be vetoed then I wouldn't bother trying to send it to avoid wasting time but I understand that people often do get away with sending songs they think will be vetoed so I can't blame people for trying - but again this is just simply not a pressing enough issue to warrant any change to the system as it is, people do already get informed as quickly as reasonably possible if their entry was already taken.

 

Constantly. And for reasons that many others seem to be able to slip through the net for as well…

 

Rob already addressed this pretty succinctly in a post a few months ago but just to reiterate since you still seem to have grievances about this, entries containing samples are not now nor have they ever been a blanket veto. Containing a sample of a well-known song is worth 10 points on the veto framework which is not enough in its own right to even be discussed for vetoing (generally) let alone an automatic veto. Usually as long as the sample is fairly minimal and/or recontextualised in some way (e.g. being a different genre) it'll be fine provided there's not any other reason that the song may be considered veto-worthy, which was the case for all the ones you got vetoed with. Of course the veto framework is subjective so sure there will occasionally be songs that slip through that maybe shouldn't have been allowed, but that's why it's a collective decision of the entire mod team and not decided by one person.

 

Samples aside, the only other entries of yours I remember being vetoed were ones which were literally in the current UK charts which is absolutely a 100% no-go for everyone!

 

Cody is playing us all with this self-deprecation act. It’s all a clever ruse to get us to shower these threads with his enviable scores and statistics. He knows what he’s doing and I’m onto him.

 

I hope this is true because the alternative is a truly stunning lack of self awareness x

mod hat rambling aside

 

It's been pretty rare for potentials of mine to ever show up in the contest for other people as well, although there was actually a rare back to back case of that... right around the time this thread was last bumped so not sure why I didn't post about it then, with Chestoria sending 'football game' by Sophie Cates (fka Silver Sphere) in BJSC 132 then Cumulonimbia sending 'SHADOW' by BABii in BJSC 133, both of which I'd iirc considered sending to the following contest, I think I actually did confirm 'football game' myself in BJSC 131 before switching and deciding to keep it for a future contest. And both times my actual entry in those contests finished higher so bullets dodged I guess. Although I still think 'football game' in particular was completely robbed, I listened to it again the other day randomly and it's still a full fat banger.

 

Since then I think the closest thing I've had to a "stolen" entry was Utopia sending Ibibio Sound Machine who I'd considered sending a few songs by for some time but just never got around to it. Probably should have. I did send 'Give Me A Reason' by them to the PopJustice contest though and it was one of my biggest hits there so I can still claim them to some extent.

 

These days I don't often even have more than one potential entry lined up at a time so I guess that doesn't help. x

bet, got any good J-pop recommendations?

 

so so many but to name the obvious ones that I could enter but often shy away from when I see their literal million view videos YOASOBI, Aimer, Kenshi Yonezu, Ryoukuoushoku Shakai, more Ado songs lol, more Wednesday Campanella songs lol, thought about Official Hige Dandism at some point.

 

though I have been trying to keep a Belgium-like streak going of alternating between a Japanese entry and a non-Japanese one so I don't typecast myself too hard

The entries were generally less inspired in the early days and back in like 2009 we had a 'potentials' thread where we reserved 5 artists on a first-come-first-served basis before confirmations actually opened. If I'm remembering that right.

 

Not too sure what the point of that was.

It happened again and I feel like I’m DNQing this time

 

Talk Deep part 2

Yeah well-known samples can def get through the Veto with no issues.. I sent Daniel Bortz's “You Can Stay Forever” to 135 which has a sample of Alicia Keys “No One”.

 

In 153 both Kath and blacksquare got to Art School Girlfriend before I did, and I don't think I've mentioned in here that in 129 (when I planned to come back to BJSC during the pandemic) Jonjo got to TSHA “Sister” before me, which finally got a video in February this year and deserved to do so much better than it did in the contest!

Yeah well-known samples can def get through the Veto with no issues.. I sent Daniel Bortz's “You Can Stay Forever” to 135 which has a sample of Alicia Keys “No One”.

didn’t Pav get away with sending something that samples The Edge Of Glory at one point

Yes, and these are both clear examples of the kind of entries where samples are not considered to be an issue, they were both completely different genres to the original songs, only used a fairly small sample and were by pretty unknown artists.

My Neck, My Back :kink:

...was also a completely different genre to the original song and by an unknown artist x (although that one was a bit more questionable)

 

we're getting a bit off topic here now anyway, this thread isn't 'list every entry that's ever contained a sample' x

I'm pretty sure what Phil meant by it being a problem that doesn't exist is that no one actually thinks it's unfair that entries are first come first serve - I certainly don't see anyone in this thread making that argument apart from you (and you even said that it hasn't affected you so I don't quite understand why you're suddenly trying to make it an issue on others' behalf! Especially when this has been the system for over a decade and a half with absolutely zero controversy as far as I recall). At worst it's something that can just be a little annoying if people don't see the thread quickly enough, but any alternative "solution" would just shift that annoyance to someone else (and imo be significantly more unfair).

 

As Phil also said though, the majority of the time people's first choice entries do stand (at least to face the veto framework). This month has been more heavy with entry clashes than the usual and even then there have been only 6 people whose first choice of entry was already taken out of 39 entrants so far. It's really not that hard to avoid entry clashes (certainly on a regular basis) if you're even moderately inspired with your entry choices, usually if a song is confirmed by multiple people then there's a pretty good reason to have suspected it might, e.g. the artist having a proven track record of BJSC success and/or the song being a new and relatively hyped release, as several of the people involved in the clashes this month have outright said. (There are occasionally less obvious clashes but it is what it is).

 

Re: giving advance notice of the time confirmations are opening, that is actually something that was more common in the contest years back and there's no reason hosts can't still do that now if they want to, but most have naturally drifted away from that to either just posting the date or dropping confirmations without any warning at all. I don't see any need to regulate this. If anything having the time advertised would surely only make this "problem" worse - if multiple people are going for the same song and show up to confirm at the earliest possible moment then you'll end up with songs having multiple confirmations within minutes if not seconds of each other (source: this did happen a lot of the time back in the day), at that point it could literally come down to who has faster Internet speed lol, I'd say that is just about the only way you could construe the first come first serve system as being unfair.

 

And re: the suggestion of asking people to provide backup entries... it's always good practice to have a backup entry in mind especially if you suspect your entry may be vetoed or double confirmed - I'd personally say if you think your entry will be vetoed then I wouldn't bother trying to send it to avoid wasting time but I understand that people often do get away with sending songs they think will be vetoed so I can't blame people for trying - but again this is just simply not a pressing enough issue to warrant any change to the system as it is, people do already get informed as quickly as reasonably possible if their entry was already taken.

Just wanted to thank you for a succinct explanation there Bré. I guess there really is nothing more to add to that, and sorry for making an issue out of something that does not directly affect me.

...was also a completely different genre to the original song and by an unknown artist x (although that one was a bit more questionable)

 

we're getting a bit off topic here now anyway, this thread isn't 'list every entry that's ever contained a sample' x

 

I agree...and I wasn't asking for any explanations in all honesty, but I just remembered I sent that song sampling Khia's and felt the urge to post it!!!