Plus according to You Gov in marginal seats there are still more older voters even if all the younger voters did vote!

Westminster voting intention:

 

CON: 43% (-)

LAB: 36% (-1)

LDEM: 8% (+2)

UKIP: 5% (-)

GRN: 2%(-)

 

(via @OpiniumResearch / 04 - 06 Jun)

Westminster voting intention:

 

CON: 41% (-2)

LAB: 40% (+3)

 

(via @Survation / 02 - 03 Jun)

Chgs. w/ 27 May.

 

The MOMENTUM!!!!!

 

And I mean that unadjusted votng shows they are more popular. That is how the election would infold if everyone voted. The Labour Party is thereforw more popular than the Land Baron Party.

 

The MOMENTUM!!!!!

 

And I mean that unadjusted votng shows they are more popular. That is how the election would infold if everyone voted. The Labour Party is thereforw more popular than the Land Baron Party.

 

But unadjusted figures were what caused the opinion polls for the 1992 election to be so dramatically wrong. They were predicting a lead for Labour, whereas the Tories ended with a 7% lead. It's now known as the 'shy Tory' effect.

Edited June 7, 20178 yr by vidcapper

The final YouGov poll has just come out and after some last second methodology changes it's giving the Tories a 7 point lead. I'm a bit relieved to be honest. I've kind of known that the YouGov prediction was gonna be way out, it was giving me too much hope.

Yeah I'd rather the polls were this way, if they all showed it nearly neck and neck I'd be so caught up in it and run away with the idea :lol:

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/election-po...ervative-winner

 

This poll puts LABOUR ahead by 4 points for the first time

 

Speak for yourselves, this is starting the crippling depression just a bit earlier.

Should have started the second the election was called!

Speak for yourselves, this is starting the crippling depression just a bit earlier.

Well, that too to be honest :drama:

Tonight's polls. Take your pick...

 

ICM 12 CON lead

ComRes 10

Panelbase 8

Opinium 7

YouGov 7

TMS 5

Kantar 5

Tonight's polls. Take your pick...

 

ICM 12 CON lead

ComRes 10

Panelbase 8

Opinium 7

YouGov 7

TMS 5

Kantar 5

 

Averaging a 7-8% Tory lead then.

 

Given that it seems almost universally acknowledged that Labour have had a far better campaign than the Tories, what does it say that even despite that, the Tories appear to still have a significant lead. :unsure:

 

Averaging a 7-8% Tory lead then.

 

Given that it seems almost universally acknowledged that Labour have had a far better campaign than the Tories, what does it say that even despite that, the Tories appear to still have a significant lead. :unsure:

 

Tells me that with a different, younger, more dynamic leader and better front bench, Labour could have won this election. All Corbyn's fault.

Tells me that with a different, younger, more dynamic leader and better front bench, Labour could have won this election. All Corbyn's fault.

 

I doubt Labour could have won with *this* manifesto, no matter who their leader was.

I doubt Labour could have won with *this* manifesto, no matter who their leader was.

 

 

It's a good manifesto in my opinion. Scrapping student fees, more police, free Wi-Fi on all trains for every passenger etc etc and all costed and viable.

Tells me that with a different, younger, more dynamic leader and better front bench, Labour could have won this election. All Corbyn's fault.

No. If the Tories had a lead of around 7-8% in April we wouldn't be having this election in the first place.

It's a good manifesto in my opinion. Scrapping student fees, more police, free Wi-Fi on all trains for every passenger etc etc and all costed and viable.

 

But it's like maxing out your credit card - lots of goodies now, lots of pain later.

 

Besides, as I've said many times, even if it was accurately costed down to the last penny, the necessary tax rises would still be unacceptable to more people than would gain from them - why do you think Labour have trailed in the polls throughout the campaign...

 

Given that it seems almost universally acknowledged that Labour have had a far better campaign than the Tories, what does it say that even despite that, the Tories appear to still have a significant lead. :unsure:

That the right wing gutter press have again managed to convince enough gullible f***wits to vote in the way that benefits their wealthy owners and their editors ideologies rather than what is in the best interests of their readers.

That the right wing gutter press have again managed to convince enough gullible f***wits to vote in the way that benefits their wealthy owners and their editors ideologies rather than what is in the best interests of their readers.

 

But it's not a one way process - each paper has its own political stance, and if you don't like one, you're free to switch to another. Its like political Darwinism, over time papers & readers adapt to each other in a form of symbiosis.

But it's not a one way process - each paper has its own political stance, and if you don't like one, you're free to switch to another. Its like political Darwinism, over time papers & readers adapt to each other in a form of symbiosis.

 

1.) Labour manifesto is fully costed.

 

2.) Worldwide, economiata have said Labour will help economy more

 

3.) Under Tories UK is worst performing modern economy oops

 

4.) No. WRONG. The masses are led by the paper propaganda and the papers always, ALWAYS defend the interests of their bosses, not the people. Ir is a vile perversion of democracy and you know it