I went to bed last May after midday when the leaders had resigned.

 

I'd say after the first result the result will be clear. It was like that in Scotland in 2014!

I'd love to stay up to watch the results as they come in, unfortunately as I've got a test the next day I'll have to make do with just catching the very start and the very end.

I went to bed last May after midday when the leaders had resigned.

 

I'd say after the first result the result will be clear. It was like that in Scotland in 2014!

It will probably be closer than the 2014 though!

I would say Essex and the military bases in South Hampshire are probably more likely to trend Leave (Portsmouth City Council has actually been the only council in the country to endorse leaving) than places like Sunderland.

I would say Essex and the military bases in South Hampshire are probably more likely to trend Leave (Portsmouth City Council has actually been the only council in the country to endorse leaving) than places like Sunderland.

Havering Council have too, and I'd be shocked if Thanet Council (which is Ukip-run) hadn't either.

I'd love to stay up to watch the results as they come in, unfortunately as I've got a test the next day I'll have to make do with just catching the very start and the very end.

So will I.

Edited June 21, 20169 yr by Taylor Jago

SKY news doing a 10 minute piece on bournemouth with fervent old leavers on a tour: "out at any cost cos of the immigrants next door being loud" pretty much.

 

It was a fair item overall, but i had to splutter at the jobless denizens in boscombe blaming EU citizens for taking the jobs they dont want to do and spoiling the area. Boscombe, sweetie darlings, was a shit-hole 25 years ago and has marginally improved since. Back then it was Scousers (who incidentaļly i have great love for) who were advertised to come and claim benefits by the seaside by a social housing entreprenour, now a multi millionaire who owns huge quantities of tax-payer supported rental flats. Not the EU. The root cause of this was Right To Buy as literally half the council houses in bournemouth were sold at half price paid for by the tax payer. I, for my sins, get paid to provide running totals of council houses and this is a fact any FOI request will be confirmed (by me) :P

SKY news doing a 10 minute piece on bournemouth with fervent old leavers on a tour: "out at any cost cos of the immigrants next door being loud" pretty much.

 

It was a fair item overall, but i had to splutter at the jobless denizens in boscombe blaming EU citizens for taking the jobs they dont want to do and spoiling the area. Boscombe, sweetie darlings, was a shit-hole 25 years ago and has marginally improved since. Back then it was Scousers (who incidentaļly i have great love for) who were advertised to come and claim benefits by the seaside by a social housing entreprenour, now a multi millionaire who owns huge quantities of tax-payer supported rental flats. Not the EU. The root cause of this was Right To Buy as literally half the council houses in bournemouth were sold at half price paid for by the tax payer. I, for my sins, get paid to provide running totals of council houses and this is a fact any FOI request will be confirmed (by me) :P

I'm sure if you went back 200 years you would hear Bournemouth residents complaining about interlopers from Dorchester.

If Leave wins on Thursday, we may indeed see a reduction in immigration, but not for the reasons people might want. After all, if the economy crashes in splendid isolation, the UK will be a less attractive place for potential immigrants. It is the relative strength of the economy (plus the fact that a lot of Europeans learn English at school) that makes this country such a good place to come.

 

The i have been printing comments from readers saying how they will vote. One reader said that, having spoken to their grandchildren, they would be voting to Leave. They complained that the culture of this country has changed over the last forty years. Thankfully, they are right. It has changed. It is a lot easier to be gay in the UK than it was in the 1970s. There is a lot less blatant racism than there was. Any town of a reasonable size has a choice of restaurants of varying types. The days when "pub food" meant a cheese sandwich that looked as if it was made two days ago are gone. It is now possible to discuss the latest Swedish television crime drama with friends. So yes, the culture of this country has changed. For the better.

No-one on the Remain side in this debate is doing anything to convince me why I should vote Remain, except Frances O'Grady on rare occasions.

 

No, Sadiq Khan, various big businesses who've never done anything for the country threatening to throw their toys out of the pram if we don't do as they say, is not convincing me.

No-one on the Remain side in this debate is doing anything to convince me why I should vote Remain, except Frances O'Grady on rare occasions.

 

No, Sadiq Khan, various big businesses who've never done anything for the country threatening to throw their toys out of the pram if we don't do as they say, is not convincing me.

 

I didn't watch it, but everyone tells me Leave won despite also having no credible answers to questions.

 

Personally, the debates have been a whole waste of time. At this point I think Brexit supporters believe we will be the central hub to the world if we vote to leave. And that money grows on trees. Had various discussions with people tonight who think shrinking our economy is good and will make wages go up for the working class. And also we were the 5th biggest economy in 1965 before the EU so everything will be fine. Mental.

I didn't watch it, but everyone tells me Leave won despite also having no credible answers to questions.

 

Personally, the debates have been a whole waste of time. At this point I think Brexit supporters believe we will be the central hub to the world if we vote to leave. And that money grows on trees. Had various discussions with people tonight who think shrinking our economy is good and will make wages go up for the working class. And also we were the 5th biggest economy in 1965 before the EU so everything will be fine. Mental.

 

But the problem is that, for a hell of a lot of people, the economy is already ruined. If there is no chance of a decent job with prospects on the horizon, and even the public services that were providing the most basic of help are being endlessly cut back by the politicians, what is there to lose by taking a risk??

But the problem is that, for a hell of a lot of people, the economy is already ruined. If there is no chance of a decent job with prospects on the horizon, and even the public services that were providing the most basic of help are being endlessly cut back by the politicians, what is there to lose by taking a risk??

Given that the risk is handing control of the economy to some of the most enthusiastic supporters of reducing spending on public services and privatising the NHS, that's one hell of a risk. Believe me, there is an awful lot left to lose.

But the problem is that, for a hell of a lot of people, the economy is already ruined. If there is no chance of a decent job with prospects on the horizon, and even the public services that were providing the most basic of help are being endlessly cut back by the politicians, what is there to lose by taking a risk??

 

I've had this argument said to me as well. And I agree, there's so much to lose. People seem to think wages will go up and house prices fall. The latter, maybe, ever so lightly, but I cannot see the former happening at all. These problems are not EU based, although people find a way to link it back to the EU. Shrinking our economy means redundancies.

Given that the risk is handing control of the economy to some of the most enthusiastic supporters of reducing spending on public services and privatising the NHS, that's one hell of a risk. Believe me, there is an awful lot left to lose.

 

Got a Brexit leaflet through the door today and one of the points they were making out was "the £350m we spend on the EU could be used for the NHS" or words to that effect. Note though the word 'COULD' was used - not 'WILL'. Like someone put on FB - 'If you think the NHS is safe in the hands of Johnson, Gove and IDS .... I have some magic beans to sell you'.

 

The leaflet went in the bin after I let the cat play with it for a bit!

:D

 

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Edited June 22, 20169 yr by Harve

Got a Brexit leaflet through the door today and one of the points they were making out was "the £350m we spend on the EU could be used for the NHS" or words to that effect. Note though the word 'COULD' was used - not 'WILL'. Like someone put on FB - 'If you think the NHS is safe in the hands of Johnson, Gove and IDS .... I have some magic beans to sell you'.

 

That's what I've noticed with this the entire time. I don't think I've ever heard the Leave campaign say they WILL spend the money on this, they WILL spend it on that. It's all "COULD do this, COULD do that".

 

I COULD go and get in my car and mow 10 people down, doesn't mean I WILL do it. :rolleyes:

 

"We COULD use the £350 million on the NHS" is exactly the same as saying "we COULD pocket the £350 million for ourselves". It's not giving a definite answer, which we need when people are wanting to change from what we're doing.

Got a Brexit leaflet through the door today and one of the points they were making out was "the £350m we spend on the EU could be used for the NHS" or words to that effect. Note though the word 'COULD' was used - not 'WILL'. Like someone put on FB - 'If you think the NHS is safe in the hands of Johnson, Gove and IDS .... I have some magic beans to sell you'.

 

The leaflet went in the bin after I let the cat play with it for a bit!

Can the Leave campaign explain to us why the EU would want to send us £100m per month (the rebate we get on our contribution) if we leave?

Brexit can say COULD to anything because they arent the government, this is not a general election and they have made no promises about anything that they can carry out. They just make it sound as though they can.

 

They are appealing to people who dont have much knowledge or interest in the complexities of the world and are angry. Angry people who react with no regard for consequences history shows is almost always a disaster for them and for everyone else.

:D

 

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Now there's a real shocker!

 

I think that's a marker of them understanding, at last, that north of the border is both pro-eu and very apathetic to this farce of a referendum. Plus just how much of a risk Brexit is for the future of the U.K.