Well I certainly did and that's what we were told. I shall be writing this evening to Theresa May and marking it "Personal" and will let you know what her hand-written reply says.

 

And we told YOU that experts are experts for a reason and Gove and other posh Etonians just follow the power and don't give a shit about people like you. They are safe for life. Believing these lies was idiotic and shows lack of critical thinking to go along with what the raga said.

In the light of Chilcot, the expenses scandal of 2009 and numerous other examples - did you really think anything the politicians were saying was in any way true? On both sides of the argument!

Well yes and I know a couple of people who voted for Brexit solely because of the NHS promise and not immigration. I think many people will like me feel angry about this. Could be an uprising. So where's the saving going to be spent then?

 

My sister, an electrical engineer, and my nephew, 18, are both fuming still with the Brexit decision and with me for voting out. I've assured them that everything will be okay.

Edited October 17, 20168 yr by Common Sense

There ARE no savings. More than 10 years of EU contribuyions were wiped off the economy in the 24 hours following the vote. The pound is in the gutter. Business will drop out. The economy will fall even further in Brexit and the country will be a lot poorer. Thete never were any savings to be made. Just more cuts and more poverty.

Anyone who actually believed that NHS lie and then voted leave purely on the back of that should be rounded up, put on a cruise ship with no lifeboats and then cast off in the direction of the nearest iceberg. Utter f***ing cretins.

 

You were told f***ing repeatedly that it was a complete and utter pack of shite from the second they first started saying it. There was never anywhere near that much money going anywhere near the bloody EU in the first place.

 

The more leave voters that come out with this "we were not told this, this isn't what we voted for" (you were and it was), the more I start to think dictators have things right & democracy is overrated because the great British public are clearly a shower of dribbling f***ing morons who can't even be trusted with something as simple as a public vote on the X Factor never mind something as serious as the EU membership and the future of our country.

For that reason it should NEVER have been put to a public vote as the public are NOT economists and will believe any ol jingoistic shote spouted out by the Murdoch papers.

The more leave voters that come out with this "we were not told this, this isn't what we voted for" (you were and it was), the more I start to think dictators have things right & democracy is overrated because the great British public are clearly a shower of dribbling f***ing morons who can't even be trusted with something as simple as a public vote on the X Factor never mind something as serious as the EU membership and the future of our country.

 

 

I have never voted in a TV reality show.

Hopefully in 20 years and post inde Scotland our generation cam get us back IN the EU

I have never voted in a TV reality show.

Yes because that was the real take home message from my post

Human nature: tendancy to believe messages charlatans tell because the message is appealing and they dont understand complex situations.

 

Tendancy to prefer optimistic messages, however ludicous, over realisn.

 

Tendancy to not trust experts because smart people make them nervous and they cant tell the difference between honest smart people and manipulating smart or dumb people.

Travis Perkins have cut 600 jobs and the effects of Brexit are being blamed.

I find that hard to believe - we haven't even left the EU yet so to blame that seems a bit... ott and convenient. I suspect it is more to do with the woeful lack of housbuilding over the past 6 years and completely fucked housing market in the UK.

I suspect it is more to do with the woeful lack of housbuilding over the past 6 years and completely fucked housing market in the UK.

Not really true currently though, in the sense that housebuilding has gone up over the last eighteen months, and where they have been building houses they will have made a pretty solid profit on them.

Oil price hasn't rocketed back up lately but fuel is up 7p since Brexit, about 5%, due to the fall in the Sterling. Imagine we will be back above £1.20 before November is out. Rising fuel prices means less cash for joe pleb and high haulage costs which puts even more pressure on food prices.

 

Calling Brexit economic suicide would be underselling it.

 

Without wanting to underestimate the difficulties it will cause, I don't feel as though the economic effects will be obvious or immediate enough or even be actually blamed on the vote for the country as a whole to establish a consensus that the vote was a bad idea. In case you're considering what I'm considering - do you think swing voters in rUK will turn against the current Tory government a few years down the line or 2014 No voters will end up turning against the union? I ain't so sure.

 

That and a not-significant proportion of the electorate would happily sacrifice a portion of their income in order to reduce immigration (obviously not synonymous with Brexit as a whole, but let's be real, it was in the back of most voters' thoughts and defined the campaigns). I interpret it as showing that even if voters recognise the broad economic benefits that immigration to the UK has brought over the last few decades, many of them don't care about whether or not they're taking all our jobs, are a drain on public services or what have you. Excluding Don't Knows, two thirds of Leave voters would choose to be personally worse off as long as it meant the country had fewer immigrants. Worrying...

Edited October 26, 20168 yr by Harve

I wouldn't dare pay any of my income to reduce immigration. I get paid little as it is! :lol:

That depresses me. BRB seeking asylum somewhere that loves immigration

that's a loaded survey. specifying low percentages of income and large numbers of immigrant cuts.

 

If they'd chosen more realistic figures

 

eg 15% of your income to cut numbers to 100,000 (they can cut immigration figs in half at the stroke of a pen by not allowing non-EU non-refugees into the country) but the woman in charge has failed to do so in 4 years and counting, I see nothing coming up begging the rest of the non-EU world to invest in the UK is going to stop that trend.

 

10% cut to 150,000

 

5% cut to 200,000

 

I think the outcome would have been very different. The final cost may well be 25% and a lot of dead people from NHS cutbacks, higher taxes, less jobs for their kids. The notion that immigration could be zero is just ludicrous and it shouldnt even be on a serious questionnaire. Phrase the questions differently.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business...t-a7388821.html

 

ha ha ha, oh how the Brexiters still deny reality. Should be really fun when they finally trigger article 50.

 

Everyone, book your holidays abroad before March and make sure you pay for them upfront!

that's a loaded survey. specifying low percentages of income and large numbers of immigrant cuts.

 

If they'd chosen more realistic figures

 

eg 15% of your income to cut numbers to 100,000 (they can cut immigration figs in half at the stroke of a pen by not allowing non-EU non-refugees into the country) but the woman in charge has failed to do so in 4 years and counting, I see nothing coming up begging the rest of the non-EU world to invest in the UK is going to stop that trend.

 

10% cut to 150,000

 

5% cut to 200,000

 

I think the outcome would have been very different. The final cost may well be 25% and a lot of dead people from NHS cutbacks, higher taxes, less jobs for their kids. The notion that immigration could be zero is just ludicrous and it shouldnt even be on a serious questionnaire. Phrase the questions differently.....

How is it loaded? Putting aside the idea that many people at all would see their income slashed by a quarter because of immigration being cut, the findings show just how significant things are: 62% of the population say they wouldn't give up a penny of their income to cut immigration at all. That's a huge finding, and shows up the justification behind Brexit hugely: people didn't think they'd lose out economically.