BTW, has anyone seen this petition?

 

Hold a referendum on the final Brexit deal

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004

 

The referendum would allow for three options:

 

(1) To revoke Article 50, thereby keeping Britain in the EU

(2) To reject the UK-EU deal and leave the EU

(3) To accept the UK-EU deal and leave the EU

 

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It is highly duplicitous, as it is specifically designed to split the Leave vote between 2 & 3, which concentrating the Remain vote behind option 1. :no:

I've signed the petition although I have also made it clear that the Electoral Commission would not approve the three options on offer. I signed because I agree with the principle that the deal should be ratified or rejected by a referendum.

 

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson has repeated the claim that EU membership costs £350m per week and that all of the money could go to the NHS. This claim was not made in an unguarded comment;, it is made, in writing, in the Telegraph, the paper that once sacked him for lying. If May has any integrity, she will have sacked Johnson by lunchtime.

If May had any integrity half her cabinet would never have had jobs.

 

 

As for a second referendum, leavers should be thrilled at the prospect! If the vote to leave was really about "sovereignty" and "taking back control" this gives direct control over our future relationship with the EU. Unless of course the vote was really about neither of those things and they're just a smokescreen for the true reasons

Pardon me, but the terms 'dinosaurs' and 'xenophobic' seem pretty derogatory...

 

Derogatory BUT stillmnot undemocratic, unlike remoaners x

 

How many years do you think until enough Leavers pass, letting the younger generations push us back into the EU? I think 10 years, 20, before the vote starts swinging towards 55-60% and then up and up until arund 70% in 50 years.

 

Jesus Christ the idiocy of this vote. Surely the right wingers and baby boomers realised that the younger generatons would just force yhrm.right back.in in a few years when 80% support the EU, a figure likely to rise after the collapse of.the UK post Brexit??

I've signed the petition although I have also made it clear that the Electoral Commission would not approve the three options on offer. I signed because I agree with the principle that the deal should be ratified or rejected by a referendum.

 

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson has repeated the claim that EU membership costs £350m per week and that all of the money could go to the NHS. This claim was not made in an unguarded comment;, it is made, in writing, in the Telegraph, the paper that once sacked him for lying. If May has any integrity, she will have sacked Johnson by lunchtime.

 

I saw that and could not BELIEVE his audacity. He needs to go.

 

Derogatory BUT stillmnot undemocratic, unlike remoaners x

 

How many years do you think until enough Leavers pass, letting the younger generations push us back into the EU? I think 10 years, 20, before the vote starts swinging towards 55-60% and then up and up until arund 70% in 50 years.

 

Jesus Christ the idiocy of this vote. Surely the right wingers and baby boomers realised that the younger generatons would just force yhrm.right back.in in a few years when 80% support the EU, a figure likely to rise after the collapse of.the UK post Brexit??

 

There's a factor you are not accounting for : people become less likely to be Remainers as they get older - so your assumption that support for rejoining is bound to increase as time goes on, even without other factors affecting it, is not as safe as you think.

 

What exactly do you mean by 'collapse of the UK' anyway - the end of the union?

I've signed the petition although I have also made it clear that the Electoral Commission would not approve the three options on offer. I signed because I agree with the principle that the deal should be ratified or rejected by a referendum.

 

I would not support a referendum where one of the options involved staying in, since the decision to leave was made just over a year ago, and must not be reversed without a specific referendum to do so.

 

 

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson has repeated the claim that EU membership costs £350m per week and that all of the money could go to the NHS. This claim was not made in an unguarded comment;, it is made, in writing, in the Telegraph, the paper that once sacked him for lying. If May has any integrity, she will have sacked Johnson by lunchtime.

 

But cabinet members are bound by Collective Responsibility - relieved of that constraint, Boris could be a real thorn in the gov'ts side as he could no longer be prevented from criticising them.

There's a factor you are not accounting for : people become less likely to be Remainers as they get older - so your assumption that support for rejoining is bound to increase as time goes on, even without other factors affecting it, is not as safe as you think.

 

What exactly do you mean by 'collapse of the UK' anyway - the end of the union?

 

Economic collapse and Scottish, perhaps North East England, independence and NI leaving.

 

Yeah no. The young generations do not believe in the Muedoch lies and grew up within a strong EU. It is not the same as becoming moee conservative with time, sorry. That i why as the boomera die off, support for the EU will grow.

Ok then,so don't vote.

 

I didnt support that grubby ridiculous rferendum the last time, putting a question of economics tothe misinformed and against Murdoch brainwashing.

 

52% is a TEENY TEENY TINY MARGIN.

 

THIS IS NOT ENOUGH.

Ok then,so don't vote.

 

I didnt support that grubby ridiculous rferendum the last time, putting a question of economics tothe misinformed and against Murdoch brainwashing.

 

52% is a TEENY TEENY TINY MARGIN.

 

THIS IS NOT ENOUGH.

 

What would be? 99.9%? :rolleyes:

Edited September 16, 20177 yr by vidcapper

Economic collapse and Scottish, perhaps North East England, independence and NI leaving.

 

Why would NI leave? They voted *for* Brexit, and the majority still want to be remain British.

 

I could ask a similar question about NE England - why would *they* leave the UK?

 

As for 'economic collapse', that can only be an article of faith for Remainers, as there's no *evidence* to suggest it will happen.

BTW, has anyone seen this petition?

 

Hold a referendum on the final Brexit deal

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004

 

The referendum would allow for three options:

 

(1) To revoke Article 50, thereby keeping Britain in the EU

(2) To reject the UK-EU deal and leave the EU

(3) To accept the UK-EU deal and leave the EU

 

****************

 

It is highly duplicitous, as it is specifically designed to split the Leave vote between 2 & 3, which concentrating the Remain vote behind option 1. :no:

 

As opposed to concentrating the entire vote of anyone who had any problem with the EU, foreigners, Cameron, or anything in this country behind Leave?

 

Also NI voted to remain - by a higher majority than 4%!

Edited September 16, 20177 yr by StillJupiter

As opposed to concentrating the entire vote of anyone who had any problem with the EU, foreigners, Cameron, or anything in this country behind Leave?

 

Is that any different from concentrating the votes of anyone who wanted to remain for whatever reason? That's the inevitable consequence of binary referenda - you only find out *what* people want, not *why*.

 

Also NI voted to remain - by a higher majority than 4%!

 

My apologies - I was thinking of Wales.

Edited September 16, 20177 yr by vidcapper

No, usually around 65% is enough fo constitutional change.

 

The last poll on that matter showed the North East trending at 65% to lrave a rump UK and join Dcotland.

 

The NE hates the Tories. We get looked down on by thr soth. There is no love lost BELIEVE me. NE and Scotland are very similar. I know some people who refused to talk to me or northern people and would literally stp introducing themselves andturn away with not a word more if they heard a north accent frm that person. Why would we want to STAY?

 

NI was talking about reunification with Ireand the day AFTER the grubby little vote.

What would be? 99.9%? :rolleyes:

Farage said 52% is not enough - till he realised Leave had won. Only 2% of voters need to have changed their mind having seen the consequences. That's why Leavers don't believe in another democratic vote. They know things will have worsened.

 

Re the options on Brexit deal. The deal should NOT be accept the deal or leave on WTO terms and suffer economically, because that ISNT what was promised in the referendum at any stage. What was promised was a good deal for the UK. If voters don't think it's a good deal then logically we stay in the EU on a transition period until an acceptable deal is reached, or permanently.

How can you not see your own hyprocrisy in using the same hyperbole you accuse your opponents of? :unsure:

 

funny how leavers call anyone using their own tactics back against them "hypocrites". Not that I am using any tactics, I just state facts and opinions based on facts. I also don't have "opponents", I have fellow human beings who seem to hold what I see as more extreme views which I'm not comfortable with, and which saddens me.

 

I note you haven't offered up any evidence to your blanket statements about alternate facts, so my statements remain true. Leavers always have plenty of opinions and nothing to offer to back them up other than "you're a liar/snowflake/liberal and I can think what I want to". The first part of that attitude is an insult and untrue, the second part you are entitled to hold regardless of what anyone thinks - but no-one has to respect it unless you can clearly say why you hold it without resorting to "cos I say so".

There is no logical reason for leaving the EU EXCEPT its treatment of Greece. However, he UK's treatment of Iceland was no better, so :lol: :lol:

No, usually around 65% is enough fo constitutional change.

 

The last poll on that matter showed the North East trending at 65% to lrave a rump UK and join Dcotland.

 

Where's 'Dcotland'? :P

 

Seriously though, the one thing they both like about England, is our money.

 

The NE hates the Tories. We get looked down on by thr soth. There is no love lost BELIEVE me. NE and Scotland are very similar. I know some people who refused to talk to me or northern people and would literally stp introducing themselves andturn away with not a word more if they heard a north accent frm that person. Why would we want to STAY?

My mother's family is from the N of England, yet I haven't experienced that, despite living here in Cheltenham...

 

NI was talking about reunification with Ireand the day AFTER the grubby little vote.

 

They've been talking about reunification ever since 3rd May 1921. :lol:

 

 

Farage said 52% is not enough - till he realised Leave had won. Only 2% of voters need to have changed their mind having seen the consequences. That's why Leavers don't believe in another democratic vote. They know things will have worsened.

 

Suppose we had another vote, and Leave won again, I dare say you'd be demanding 'best 3 out of 5'...

Why would NI leave? They voted *for* Brexit, and the majority still want to be remain British.

 

Northern Ireland did NOT vote for Brexit. 56% voted to remain.

 

Northern Ireland did NOT vote for Brexit. 56% voted to remain.

 

See some posts up, where I already acknowledged that mistake. :mellow: