Anyone watch the 1975 EEC ref debates on BBC parliament all day today? The level of debate was much greater then!!

I saw part of the results programme. There were plenty of comments on Twitter saying the same as you as well as lamenting the lack of politicians of the calibre of people like Barbara Castle and Roy Jenkins.

in fact the histrionic leavers in those days were the Hard Left, obviosuly concerned about the threat to the Eastern Block countries posed by democracy and the free market, and the loathesome racists. Happily Enoch Powell is dead so I can say what I like about him. He was an insane horrible racist and the world is a better place without him. I hated him as a teenager and I hate him still. Good riddance.

 

Politicians can't be that blatant these days, so they have to use other excuses for trying to bring back the British Empire from the dead when we had power over the lesser human beings, as they saw it, around the world. Nice country - we'll take it! Literally.....

For those interested with such things, the election schedules have been revealed. BBC One begins broadcasting at 9:55pm on Thursday and ends on Friday at 1pm. ITV begins broadcasting at 10pm on Thursday and will end at 6am for Good Morning Britain - they also have another programme scheduled for 9:25-10:30am.

 

I'm surprised the BBC is starting at 9:55pm like in the general elections since there's no big 10pm exit poll reveal to happen.

Tory MP Sarah Wollaston has switched sides and is now supporting the Remain campaign. She has said that the Leave campaign's infamous £350m per week claim "simply isn't true". I was rather surprised and disappointed when she backed Leave as I have always had a lot more respect for her than I have for most Tories.

Yeh she's more or less an independent in my eyes.

I saw part of the results programme. There were plenty of comments on Twitter saying the same as you as well as lamenting the lack of politicians of the calibre of people like Barbara Castle and Roy Jenkins.

 

Yeh the Oxford Union debates were like something from a 19th century upper class school with them all debating in tuxedos!

Absolutely devastating news about Jo Cox :( RIP

Edited June 16, 20169 yr by Cremey

In total shock.

I arrived on holiday to get away from stress and also media hate. I find myself confronted by a horrible image of deperate people fleeing war caused by the fall out from british invasion of iraq, being used by a loathesome smiling racist inferring they are on the way to invade as hordes of rapist muslims.

 

I then find myself having to despair for the loss of an mp with social conscience being brutally murdered by one of the white racists beloved of nigel farage.

 

As i sit here on my holiday balcony, inside the eu, i am looking at a mosque not 30 feet away from me of muslims at prayer. Next door are gay bars frequented by people from all over the eu, gay and straight.

 

I hate nigel farage and his cronies. Not because of their lies, manipulations and complete selfish disregard for fellow human beings. Not because of the murderous predictable consequences of hate preachers. But because he has made me turn to hate too. For him.

I arrived on holiday to get away from stress and also media hate. I find myself confronted by a horrible image of deperate people fleeing war caused by the fall out from british invasion of iraq, being used by a loathesome smiling racist inferring they are on the way to invade as hordes of rapist muslims.

 

I then find myself having to despair for the loss of an mp with social conscience being brutally murdered by one of the white racists beloved of nigel farage.

 

As i sit here on my holiday balcony, inside the eu, i am looking at a mosque not 30 feet away from me of muslims at prayer. Next door are gay bars frequented by people from all over the eu, gay and straight.

 

I hate nigel farage and his cronies. Not because of their lies, manipulations and complete selfish disregard for fellow human beings. Not because of the murderous predictable consequences of hate preachers. But because he has made me turn to hate too. For him.

Very eloquently put.

Switzerland have just withdrawn their suspended application to join the EU. With just a week before the vote I'm slightly worried that this could turn some fence-sitters to vote Leave, as if to ask "why have Switzerland cancelled their application, there must be a reason?".

The Swiss have never really been serious about going through with it, I don't even think the EU counts them in the enlargement section. At least not like Iceland and the Balkans and states like Ukraine and Georgia

I arrived on holiday to get away from stress and also media hate. I find myself confronted by a horrible image of deperate people fleeing war caused by the fall out from british invasion of iraq, being used by a loathesome smiling racist inferring they are on the way to invade as hordes of rapist muslims.

 

I then find myself having to despair for the loss of an mp with social conscience being brutally murdered by one of the white racists beloved of nigel farage.

 

As i sit here on my holiday balcony, inside the eu, i am looking at a mosque not 30 feet away from me of muslims at prayer. Next door are gay bars frequented by people from all over the eu, gay and straight.

 

I hate nigel farage and his cronies. Not because of their lies, manipulations and complete selfish disregard for fellow human beings. Not because of the murderous predictable consequences of hate preachers. But because he has made me turn to hate too. For him.

 

Well put - Michael Collins said this also - "I don't hate them because of their race, their religion or who they are...I hate them for making hate necessary"

Switzerland have just withdrawn their suspended application to join the EU. With just a week before the vote I'm slightly worried that this could turn some fence-sitters to vote Leave, as if to ask "why have Switzerland cancelled their application, there must be a reason?".

I appreciate the worry, but given half of all Labour voters say they don't know what the party's official line on the referendum is, I think it's unlikely that many people will hear about small technical story like tis or have their minds changed by it.

Anyone planning to stay up on Thursday night? Result won't be announced until around 7-8 am but local councils declare their results throughout the night. Sunderland will be first and will give a good idea of what's going to happen. If leave can't win there then they apparently have no chance nationally.

Edited June 19, 20169 yr by Common Sense

If the result is close it could take until around 7am. Unless the polls are way out, the result certainly looks like being in doubt until around 4am at the earliest.

 

The pundits are saying that Leave need a lead of around six points in Sunderland to have a good chance of winning. However, it is all fairly imprecise as Thursday's figures cannot really be compared with anything. The figures the pundits are using are based on a poll taken across the country, but the number of voters asked in each local authority area is very small. They have taken those figures and then attempted to use information on the make-up of the population of each area to calculate a predicted local result if the overall result is a tie.

 

It could well be a nail-biting night. If the final result is very close, who knows what sort of legal challenges there might be?

Anyone planning to stay up on Thursday night? Result won't be announced until around 7-8 am but local councils declare their results throughout the night. Sunderland will be first and will give a good idea of what's going to happen. If leave can't win there then they apparently have no chance nationally.

 

Sunderland will give no indication as it is in the most anti EU region there is!!

Anyone planning to stay up on Thursday night? Result won't be announced until around 7-8 am but local councils declare their results throughout the night. Sunderland will be first and will give a good idea of what's going to happen. If leave can't win there then they apparently have no chance nationally.

Yeah gonna stay up for a lot of it :lol: Not sure I'll manage it all, I'd say that I'd wait until it's clear but it could be a race to the very last second the way things are looking!

Sunderland will give no indication as it is in the most anti EU region there is!!

 

 

Well according to an expert I was reading yesterday, it will as the DEGREE that Sunderland votes out is important. If they vote out by say 3% then it'll be unlikely that Leave can win nationally but if they vote out by 6%+ then it's game on. The more results that come in, the more the broadcasters will have an idea.

Edited June 20, 20169 yr by Common Sense

Yeah gonna stay up for a lot of it :lol: Not sure I'll manage it all, I'd say that I'd wait until it's clear but it could be a race to the very last second the way things are looking!

 

 

On election night I laid on the settee (with the dog!) with snacks and energy drinks but kept dropping off for a nap but caught most of it then went to bed when wife had gone to work at 9am.