You know when the media are barely mentioning a song that's #1 for 12 weeks, it's because a lot of people don't agree with how it's achieved such a feat. If it had been #1 on sales for 8 weeks or something then it might be more accepted but for more than two months it's not been the most popular song on sales, and that starts to make people think...is it really as popular as it seems, or are the same people just playing it ad nauseam every week and refusing to get over it?

 

Usually songs that spend even six weeks at No.1 are generally phenomenons but the only phenomenon about One Dance is the fact that I don't know anyone who particularly loves it, I never hear it referenced in the media, it basically hasn't transferred to popular culture (even like Hotline Bling did in a big way!) and it all just makes it seems like the most random chart happening ever.

 

 

I'm sure the media will mention its success once it overtakes Bryan Adams' record :kink:

Yes but sales aren't the most popular way of consuming music nowadays. It doesn't matter if One Dance isn't the best pure seller as sales are turning slowly irrelevant year on year. Streaming is the #1 platform right now & it's just as impressive for a song to spend 12 weeks atop that as it was (or would have been, rather) 10 years ago on the sales chart.

Edited July 2, 20169 yr by Dobbo

Tbf, Kungs has failed to break 60k in a week so doesn't really 'deserve' #1 in that sense and the likes of 'Can't Stop the Feeling' and 'This is What You Came For' were at their peaks when Drake was hitting 140k. It's never been the case where the #1 is infinitely more popular than anything else behind it.

Yes but sales aren't the most popular way of consuming music nowadays. It doesn't matter if One Dance isn't the best pure seller as sales are turning slowly irrelevant year on year. Streaming is the #1 platform right now & it's just as impressive for a song to spend 12 weeks atop that as it was (or would have been, rather) 10 years ago on the sales chart.

Let us not forget that it has an advantage on its competitors by not being on YouTube though. I can YouTube Kungs now and listen to it but it won't count. I can't do that for Drake. If I wanted to hear it, it would have to be on a streaming service. A good tactic but no doubt inflating its streams.

 

Besides, sales aren't totally dead just yet, they should still have some bearing on the chart I think and the grip is being lost.

 

Liam, I think we'll see more #1s on lower sales like that, a lot of big #1s that sold 100k in recent years were held back for weeks with loads of pre orders, so I can imagine ~60k kinda becoming the norm for a #1 but sustained over a period of time instead.

It doesn't matter what ratio you make it when sales drop to zero, personally I don't mind either way, but it just seems like delaying the inevitable. Just like streaming is delaying the inevitable death of the album chart.

Let us not forget that it has an advantage on its competitors by not being on YouTube though. I can YouTube Kungs now and listen to it but it won't count. I can't do that for Drake. If I wanted to hear it, it would have to be on a streaming service. A good tactic but no doubt inflating its streams.

 

Besides, sales aren't totally dead just yet, they should still have some bearing on the chart I think and the grip is being lost.

 

Liam, I think we'll see more #1s on lower sales like that, a lot of big #1s that sold 100k in recent years were held back for weeks with loads of pre orders, so I can imagine ~60k kinda becoming the norm for a #1 but sustained over a period of time instead.

 

I agree with the YouTube factor, it's impossible to say how many people are streaming One Dance because they can't listen to it on YouTube but I imagine enough to have cost Kungs at least a week at No.1. I do hope not having a video on YouTube will not become a new tool of chart manipulation in the future (I imagine it won't be as boybands are more likely to do that and music videos help to sell their songs hugely anyway).

 

The stars have all aligned for One Dance, at least for the past 4 or 5 weeks...weak market, no YouTube video, little competition, guesstimated Thursday sales always in its favour, still at the top of so many streaming platform curated playlists, making it less of a 'must listen' and more 'not offensive enough to skip' and nobody is fed up with it enough to skip yet because it's not been played to death like every other song that's managed north of eight weeks at the top.

 

I'm sure this won't happen again for a long time but I don't think it's a song that will be well remembered in years to come and therefore it's just odd to see it manage double the time at the top that Happy/Uptown Funk etc managed which were huge and so ingrained in popular culture for ages.

 

All that said, I do agree that it would be inconsistent to change the ratios now, I just wonder if chart compilers ever forsaw this stagnation happening.

Edited July 2, 20169 yr by gooddelta

I'm not sure why people are against changing the ratio because they want consistency when adding streaming in the first place was inconsistent. Like Joseph said, the charts have been inconsistent for years. I only take note of the charts these days out of habit, I'm really not interested in it anymore. If this is the future of music, count me out.

Anything that avoids stagnation and gives an advantage to newer music would be preferable - I'd say there's no reason they shouldn't add Youtube in at this point if only to stop future manipulation by artists avoiding Youtube but as far as I remember that tends to be just as slow if not worse than streaming services on not letting go of old songs.

 

Ideally for me there should be a lessening of a ratio the older the song is, still counting once it becomes a catalogue song but at a vastly reduced rate, maybe this wouldn't accurately represent what is being consumed but 2016 so far has proved that a stagnant chart is not one that's going to attract any media or public interest and at the point where it's stopping newer acts and songs breaking through it's harming the music industry. At this point consistency doesn't matter to me, it's clear it needs fixing if it's not going to die off.

Anything that avoids stagnation and gives an advantage to newer music would be preferable - I'd say there's no reason they shouldn't add Youtube in at this point if only to stop future manipulation by artists avoiding Youtube but as far as I remember that tends to be just as slow if not worse than streaming services on not letting go of old songs.

 

Ideally for me there should be a lessening of a ratio the older the song is, still counting once it becomes a catalogue song but at a vastly reduced rate, maybe this wouldn't accurately represent what is being consumed but 2016 so far has proved that a stagnant chart is not one that's going to attract any media or public interest and at the point where it's stopping newer acts and songs breaking through it's harming the music industry. At this point consistency doesn't matter to me, it's clear it needs fixing if it's not going to die off.

 

I think this is the key worry. Only one of this week's top 75 debuts was by an artist charting for the first time (Joel Adams) while a lot of us are shocked at the likes of new British acts Calum Scott and Dua Lipa finally taking off, and they haven't even hit the top ten yet, whereas these type of acts would have already scored huge top five hits a few years back and be well on the way to media hyped superstardom.

 

A presence in the charts have always boosted the profile and ultimately the careers of new acts and without that leg up they can't be used as a promotional tool, record companies are still not getting used to the fact that their great new artists seem unable to have a hit single and it's slowly making the industry more and more dull, as majors become even more scared to fund and push new talent. Obviously there are other factors at play like radio clinging onto the same old songs for weeks on end, and curated playlists not refreshing or being shuffled around often enough.

 

The point is though, chart interest from the media in 2016 is at an all time low, meaning less media exposure for new acts, less hype generating sales and it can't be used as a marketing tool anymore either as 'featuring the gold selling top 30 smash!' doesn't have much of a ring to it :lol:

 

The music industry has hit a bit of a nadir and it's not really the chart's purpose to pull it out of a rut, but it could certainly help by altering ratios, especially if what Dan said is true about what the artists are earning, because in that case the ratio should be a lot lower.

 

Looking at the Australian charts, where the ratio is much lower, The Veronicas have climbed to #3 this week with In My Blood, based on a comfortable iTunes #1 and #44 on Spotify...under the UK rules it may not even be top ten, and that basically dismisses the contribution of everyone that still buys music, which seems like an oversight seeing as that's what the chart has been based on for 60 odd years. I don't deny that sales will continue to die and streaming is the future, but I also can't really understand why we have a 100-1 ratio if it doesn't pay artists the same as a sale would, plus it's a contributing factor in the incredibly dull British music industry of 2016.

Edited July 2, 20169 yr by gooddelta

I'm not sure why people are against changing the ratio because they want consistency when adding streaming in the first place was inconsistent. Like Joseph said, the charts have been inconsistent for years. I only take note of the charts these days out of habit, I'm really not interested in it anymore. If this is the future of music, count me out.

 

What? How are the charts the future of MUSIC? :D

Edited July 3, 20169 yr by SKOB

What? How are the charts the future of MUSIC? :D

 

The charts are what gives music a high profile. They supposedly represent what is popular. The charts may not be the future of music but to claim they have nothing to do with it is arrogant and pretentious beyond belief.

Everybody complaining about one dance - dont worry - drake will soon overtake himself with Too Good.

 

And I think it depends on your demographic because "One dance" is the most played song everywhere I go. Its is by far the most popular track Globally right now. In the USA, Australia, South America, South Africa, Nigeria and over here in the UK. I cannot go down the road without hearing a car pass me blasting that song. Also at night clubs and bars - Girls go absolutely mental on the dance floor when that song comes on.

 

As i said, its all about perspective - it might not be a popular song in some peoples world but it is in others.

Everybody complaining about one dance - dont worry - drake will soon overtake himself with Too Good.

 

And I think it depends on your demographic because "One dance" is the most played song everywhere I go. Its is by far the most popular track Globally right now. In the USA, Australia, South America, South Africa, Nigeria and over here in the UK. I cannot go down the road without hearing a car pass me blasting that song. Also at night clubs and bars - Girls go absolutely mental on the dance floor when that song comes on.

 

As i said, its all about perspective - it might not be a popular song in some peoples world but it is in others.

 

Totally agree with this post... I hear One Dance everywhere I go, especially in clubs and bars. However I also agree that One Dance hasn't transcended culture like Hotline Bling did last year. That was arguably one of the biggest crossover hits of 2015 and you can argue the video helped (the iconic dad dancing!).

Oh yeah and I forgot to mention during my last post re the video topic and its non availability on Youtube. Here is one of the reasons why we have not seen a video for One Dance - The first video for one dance was filmed if i remember correctly, either in the 1st or 2nd week of May. From the shots of the video – it was the typical hiphop, party vibes, girls dancing on a yacht etc. Now that video we know has been most likely scrapped because the shots from a new video shoot was circulated last week. I think they realise that was not the best way to go for the video due to the global phenomenon the song has become.

 

Drake flew to Soweto in South Africa last week to film a new video with Material Culture who are like the biggest dance crew in South Africa. This new video seems more globally appealing and is also being sponsored by Apple the way hotline bling was. Saying all that, the video will most likely be on Youtube in about 2 weeks or so due to post-production and editing. Apparently he has filmed like 3 videos for his album as well some cameos for some other artists videos and they will be released in July/August while he will be on tour with Future.

 

But gooddelta does have a point re the youtube factor – there probably is some strategy behind the video not coming out sooner. You have to understand that Drake and his team have always been very smart and now being the poster boy for Apple – he is now directly being backed by Jimmy Iovine – who is probably in the top 3 list of the smartest/influential people in the music industry period. He personally cultivated Drake and stopped him from signing with Tidal by giving him the apple deal (and yes a very nice cheque of $19M – ooooooh yeah). It is all linked to the streaming wars that are currently taking place at the moment.

 

Very interesting times in the music industry.

Edited July 3, 20169 yr by khali25

Christine and the Queens getting top 40 hit and top ten album, Rick Astley having a gold selling album, Adele being praised on Glastonbury, new acts such as Twenty One Pilots and Shawn Mendes having several hit singles, Craig David having a comeback

 

The music is dead yeah

Edited July 3, 20169 yr by SKOB

Yeah I think we're getting videos for 'Too Good' and 'Controlla' (possibly at the same time?) soon, which will probably propel 'Too Good' to number one and give 'Controlla' even more time in the top 40. Not sure if we'll ever see a 'One Dance' vid now, there's not much point in releasing one as it's been a huge hit without it.

 

It seems that Summer sixteen really does belong to Drake.

Yeah I think we're getting videos for 'Too Good' and 'Controlla' (possibly at the same time?) soon, which will probably propel 'Too Good' to number one and give 'Controlla' even more time in the top 40. Not sure if we'll ever see a 'One Dance' vid now, there's not much point in releasing one as it's been a huge hit without it.

 

It seems that Summer sixteen really does belong to Drake.

 

Trust me 100% we are getting a One Dance video. If it was still that 1st video he filmed in May then I would agree with you. But he was in South Africa last week with the whole Apple team filming a second video for One Dance in Soweto. There is no way he would have flown there to record a second video and not release it. Unless it was the controlla video being filmed and they are purposely trying to mislead the public. :thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

 

Saying that all the pics i saw from fans in south africa who got onto the video set said it was for one dance.

Edited July 3, 20169 yr by khali25