Dunno. Depends whether I can stomach returning to the Ed Miliband years (but moreso) by joining a party led by Tim Farron.

After a lot of thought on it, I've left the Labour Party. And it wasn't Corbyn that made me go.

Was it Dr. Eoin?

Nope. The likes of Chuka Umunna giving in and calling for an end to freedom of movement. When even the so-called Blairites can't even make the case for immigration and avoiding hard Brexit anymore, what am I supposed to be staying and fighting for?

The nationalists accept English members. Just throwing it out there.

Not until they run nationally.

How about because it was disrespectful to the members who they're supposed to represent? Whether or not him staying as leader is best for the party, the fact is that it's not the MPs' call to make. They breached the unwritten rules of any modern (democratic) political party by trying to overrule their members' choice of leader.

 

...just as undemocratic as Corbyn trying to remove Kinnock, Smith, Blair and Brown while they were in power. Voting against Labour policy hundreds of times. You CANNOT do one thing and criticise others for doing exactly the same thing you've done again, and again, and again, and again. That's called hypocrisy. The only difference between the 170 MP's and Corbyn is in the numbers. 170 vs a handful. No difference whatsoever.

Not until they run nationally.

 

condolences on being disheartened. And ditto on SNP. If they ran nationally the raison d'etre to leave the UK would disappear as they could influence politics over the whole of the UK. That would be an interesting hypothetical question : would the SNP give it up if they could win an election in England....

Yes it was as CLEAARLY he has the will of the people.

 

He's got the will of the radical lefties and luvvies only. The wider public won't vote for Corbyn and Labour will have their worst General Election performance for quite some time in 2020. I think Theresa May might step down by 2020 which would be another nail in Labour's coffin. That's even if they make it that far without splitting of course. I'd be more likely to put money on a significant Lib Dem resurgence than Labour coming anywhere near to winning in 2020 under Corbyn.

condolences on being disheartened. And ditto on SNP. If they ran nationally the raison d'etre to leave the UK would disappear as they could influence politics over the whole of the UK. That would be an interesting hypothetical question : would the SNP give it up if they could win an election in England....

 

I doubt that they would, but if the SNP do successfully run for election in England, it wouldn't be a first time that a regional party has had an MP based in England. Andrew Hunter, who represented the constituency of Basingstoke, switched his alligence to the DUP in 2004, although he did not stand for re-election for that constituency in 2005. Although they're a unionist party, so it's not really a fair comparison.

While there is a place for the SNP in rUK and I have no doubt they'd do well, there only way I can see them expanding south is if they were to start standing in London following the defection of the Mayor and moving ahead with ScotLond as a new EU memberstate and thats about as likely to happen as Corbyn winning the next election.

 

They'd never do it. They want Indy, it's always been their primary target. Power at Westminster has no appeal to them, although it didn't stop them petitioning to be the official opposition when Labour was in full on coup mode.

I doubt that they would, but if the SNP do successfully run for election in England, it wouldn't be a first time that a regional party has had an MP based in England. Andrew Hunter, who represented the constituency of Basingstoke, switched his alligence to the DUP in 2004, although he did not stand for re-election for that constituency in 2005. Although they're a unionist party, so it's not really a fair comparison.

 

TP O'Connor stood as an Irish Nationalist in Liverpool and only lost his seat in 1929 I think (he stood as an Irish Parliamentary Party candidate which was the constitutional nationalist party of the era)!

...just as undemocratic as Corbyn trying to remove Kinnock, Smith, Blair and Brown while they were in power. Voting against Labour policy hundreds of times. You CANNOT do one thing and criticise others for doing exactly the same thing you've done again, and again, and again, and again. That's called hypocrisy. The only difference between the 170 MP's and Corbyn is in the numbers. 170 vs a handful. No difference whatsoever.

 

You've forgotten to mention the 100s of times he voted with the Labour Party when they put forward progressive legislation but sure....

...just as undemocratic as Corbyn trying to remove Kinnock, Smith, Blair and Brown while they were in power. Voting against Labour policy hundreds of times. You CANNOT do one thing and criticise others for doing exactly the same thing you've done again, and again, and again, and again. That's called hypocrisy. The only difference between the 170 MP's and Corbyn is in the numbers. 170 vs a handful. No difference whatsoever.

 

Did Corbyn actually ever try to remove Smith or Brown? Hell, I'm not even sure he ever was really involved in a serious plot to get rid of Blair (admittedly that might've been because there was no chance of a coup against him succeeding for most of his leadership).

 

As far as I know, the only serious coup Corbyn was involved in was against Kinnock, and, although he was wrong to do it, that atleast was 5 years after Kinnock had been elected, after he'd been defeated in a general election, both of which are more reasonable grounds to think a mandate might have expired than the grounds for the coup against Corbyn.

Was that why he did it?

Did Corbyn actually ever try to remove Smith or Brown? Hell, I'm not even sure he ever was really involved in a serious plot to get rid of Blair (admittedly that might've been because there was no chance of a coup against him succeeding for most of his leadership).

 

As far as I know, the only serious coup Corbyn was involved in was against Kinnock, and, although he was wrong to do it, that atleast was 5 years after Kinnock had been elected, after he'd been defeated in a general election, both of which are more reasonable grounds to think a mandate might have expired than the grounds for the coup against Corbyn.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/...loyalty_to_the/

 

Obviously pissing in the wind in terms of actually getting what he wanted, but the intent was there...

Only three days into Corbyn's new shadow cabinet and already he's had his first two resignations. Two of Labour's assistant whips, Holly Lynch & Conor McGinn (the man whom Jeremy Corbyn tried to get to fall into line by threatening to call his dad) have stepped down just days after the chief whip, Rosie Winterton, was replaced by famous Pointless answer Nick Brown.

 

In other news - Diane Abbott as shadow Home Secretary - thoughts?

It's about time Labour had a Shadow Home Secretary whose main aim was not to be even more right wing than the actual Home Secretary, a trend that started under Tony Blair's leadership. That said, I'm not convinced that Diane Abbott is the best person for the job.

In other news - Diane Abbott as shadow Home Secretary - thoughts?

 

About as sane an appointment as Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary or Donald Trump as PotUS.

In theory Abbot should be good on TV when being interviewed. In practise she always comes over as condescending and neither convincing nor endearing.

About as sane an appointment as Donald Trump as PotUS.

Come on now.