Yes it will be like 1992 when Major was expected to lose but WON a small majority but workable and kept him in power 5 years. Hopefully Liz does the same. Th country needs a Tory government and not Labour's tax and spend spend spend.

 

You can't trust the Tories with the economy, every time they get in they cause a crash.

Completely and utterly beyond hope.

 

Yes it will be like 1992 when Major was expected to lose but WON a small majority but workable and kept him in power 5 years. Hopefully Liz does the same. The country needs a Tory government and not Labour's tax and spend spend spend.

 

The Tories just announced billions worth of inept tax cuts (designed purely to benefit themselves and the richest in the country) funded by borrowing, an energy cap financed by borrowing — and an announcement of more to come. The economy is tanking, there is a housing crisis and unaffordable inflation both on the horizon — on top of increasingly expensive bills. The country needs the Tories as far away from government as possible.

 

 

Yes it will be like 1992 when Major was expected to lose but WON a small majority but workable and kept him in power 5 years. Hopefully Liz does the same. Th country needs a Tory government and not Labour's tax and spend spend spend.

Whereas the Tories just spend without bothering about trivial matters such as paying for it.

Seriously hoping you’re trolling at this point Chris as the Tories have just enacted their own economic crisis and spent more money than a Labour government ever would with no plan for growth :rofl: Truss is barely in the role 3 weeks and she is already toast.

 

 

No I'm not trolling. I honestly believe they'll squeeze back in with a very small majority as in 1992. Two years is a very long time in politics. People don't trust Labour.

 

The 1p off the basic rate of tax next April will be welcome and more tax cuts to bribe us will be forthcoming.

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Completely and utterly beyond hope.

 

 

I take it you're describing Labour and Starmer? :D

No I'm not trolling. I honestly believe they'll squeeze back in with a very small majority as in 1992. Two years is a very long time in politics. People don't trust Labour.

 

The 1p off the basic rate of tax next April will be welcome and more tax curs ro bribe us will be forthcoming.

 

Tax cuts are not really much help when the cost of living rises so rapidly like it will inevitably do. And Truss unlike Johnson has zilch charisma whatsoever.

No I'm not trolling. I honestly believe they'll squeeze back in with a very small majority as in 1992. Two years is a very long time in politics. People don't trust Labour.

 

The 1p off the basic rate of tax next April will be welcome and more tax curs ro bribe us will be forthcoming.

 

In normal times I would say yes, but a 1p basic rate is absolutely zilch when everything else has gone up. If someone has paid £500 for their mortgage and then 2 years later they pay £1000 a month something is seriously wrong. There is such bad PR there now and there's no wiggle room for the Tories to play in to people's fears under Labour right now. They can't say Labour will ruin the economy as they've already done that themselves. You are right two years is a long time, but energy bills are not going to be down in two years time and you've got lots of middle England paying the same tax as someone who is a CEO of a billion pound business.

 

People took Johnson for granted, people voted for him and not the Conservatives.

Tax cuts are not really much help when the cost of living rises so rapidly like it will inevitably do. And Truss unlike Johnson has zilch charisma whatsoever.

 

 

I don't believe Truss will be PM going in to the election. I think they'll ditch her and bring Boris back.

The same Blojo the Clown who was tanking the party? Mkaaay.

I don't believe Truss will be PM going in to the election. I think they'll ditch her and bring Boris back.

 

I don't think they are getting rid of Truss and getting Boris back. Boris has a lot of enemies and at this point, if they switch leaders again it's pretty much a vote of no confidence the Tories are giving themselves...

I think that might not be as ridiculous at it sounds bringing Johnson back as the media and some people would still support him but it would not work at all with the general population. Plus if Johnson announces a swing to the left then people might as well go for the real thing (yes I know some people would say Labour aren't "left" but that's another topic).

 

Tories COULD well have won the next election if they went for Penny Mordaunt,. Tom Tugendhut or Rishi Sunak but no they had to go for the most extreme right wing, heartless pawn of think tanks and corrupt foreign owned media tycoons. And they will lose the election. It's just about when not if and how much damage they cause in the meantime.

I think that might not be as ridiculous at it sounds bringing Johnson back as the media and some people would still support him but it would not work at all with the general population. Plus if Johnson announces a swing to the left then people might as well go for the real thing (yes I know some people would say Labour aren't "left" but that's another topic).

 

Tories COULD well have won the next election if they went for Penny Mordaunt,. Tom Tugendhut or Rishi Sunak but no they had to go for the most extreme right wing, heartless pawn of think tanks and corrupt foreign owned media tycoons. And they will lose the election. It's just about when not if and how much damage they cause in the meantime.

 

Imo they are completely finished for a generation unless they change their policy within the next week or two. If interests get to 6% (which they already are..) and the housing market collapses they are screwed. I genuinely just do not get their ideology, this isn't Conservatism, this is complete lunacy, they are toast.

 

 

 

 

From todays Labour List:

 

 

Labour Twitter was abuzz late into the evening on Monday as observers awaited the outcome of Sam Tarry's reselection battle in Ilford South. The incumbent MP faced off against leader of Redbridge council Jas Athwal, in a rematch of what would have been in 2019 had Athwal not been suspended from the party the evening before the selection meeting over a sexual harassment complaint. The results came in shortly before 10:30pm: local members had voted to deselect Tarry in favour of Athwal. The council leader reportedly received 499 votes to Tarry's 361.

 

Tarry said in a statement this morning that he is "utterly crestfallen" at the result, not for himself "but for the good people of Ilford who deserve better than to have been at the centre of a manufactured political circus". He declared that he is "extremely concerned" about the outcome, arguing that it did not "reflect the feeling my campaigners met on the ground" or the "meticulous data we gathered on the campaign". He said he is "taking some time to consider what’s next" and has asked the party to share with him the "full information of who cast electronic votes, by what method and when they were cast".

 

Athwal's supporters have heralded his victory as the righting of a historic wrong. His suspension in 2019 was described at the time as an "undemocratic stitch-up" by Wes Streeting, MP for neighbouring Ilford North and a key ally of Athwal. The council leader was cleared of wrongdoing by Labour’s national constitutional committee after a year-long suspension. Commenting following his reinstatement, Athwal said the complainant was "someone with a political axe to grind". Tarry argued that claims of a stitch-up were "farcical" and "insulting" to the alleged victim.

 

The selection process this time round was not without controversy. Tarry alleged that there had been incidents of voter fraud during the trigger ballot process – though his complaint was dismissed by Labour’s general secretary David Evans as an "isolated incident". Nevertheless, Tarry instructed his supporters to boycott the branch nomination meetings, saying he had “no faith” that the meetings would be carried out fairly. On the broadcast round this morning, Pat McFadden suggested that Tarry would not have the support of the Labour frontbench if the former shadow transport minister decided to challenge his deselection. The Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury stressed that the selection result was a "decision for the party members in Ilford", adding: "They clearly thought Jas Athwal would be a better candidate next time."

 

Attempts to blame Tarry's deselection on Keir Starmer are unfair – don't forget that the Labour leader backed a rule change at conference last year to make it harder for sitting MPs to be triggered. But the result has the potential to exacerbate existing tensions within Labour around selections. MPs on the left of the party were vocal in their support for Tarry, and the MP had extensive support within the wider labour movement, including endorsements from Unite, ASLEF, the CWU and the GMB. Earlier in the selection process, Tarry argued that there is a "clear pattern of factional elements of the party machine targeting socialist and trade union backed candidates". Don't look away from Ilford South just yet, because things could be about to get even uglier.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't Sam Tarry dating Angela Rayner - that could be awkward? But politics is a nasty business.

He is yeh!

 

Thankfully Zahara Sultana has survived her deselection attempt!

Edited October 12, 20222 yr by Steve201

Christina Rees has had the Labour whip withdrawn following allegations of bullying. That’s three Labour MPs that have had the whip withdrawn in the past month, after Nick Brown and Rupa Huq.

Labour MP Christian Matheson has resigned after being found guilty of sexual misconduct. Not sure if a by-election or General Election will come first.

Another Labour MP has been suspended from the party, with Conor McGinn being relieved of the whip pending an investigation.

 

The conspiracist in me says that some of the suspensions are for people that whips have known about for years, but didn't want to act upon lest the next election is tight and they need to hold on to them to prevent a future Labour minority government collapsing, but now that a Labour landslide is a real possibility they're attempting to chuck them out now so they won't be a millstone around the party's neck whilst in government, and because the Tories are also suspending many of their MPs as well it'll slip under the radar.

I saw Julian Knight's suspension before I saw this one. Either way, definitely clearing up the parties ahead of the general election as you say.

 

I've been more disappointed by some potential policies announced by Labour lately, like seeking to ban VPNs indicating that they'll continue to be as hopeless and infeffictive as the Tories on the matter of Online Safety and yet desiring to be more censorious than the CCP, the confused messaging about how they want the elected second chamber to be, refusing to promise repeal of anti-strike laws even as public support for strikes grows, and currently seeming like they'll only slightly put the brakes on the austerity train and privatisation.

 

They're looking good but voters are clearly wanting radical change from the polls. This isn't yet a Labour party ready to make radical change or even undo the worst of what the Tories do if it's convenient for them not to.

 

good things they're doing is hounding the Tories on housing targets and a greener economy however.