Far better to table a motion of no confidence in the government, that would definitely be voted down and also achieve nothing eh?

I don’t disagree. Any vote of confidence is rather pointless unless it will get rid of this shower.

I don’t disagree. Any vote of confidence is rather pointless unless it will get rid of this shower.

 

Of course, even a no-confidence vote wouldn't necessarily mean the Tories would lose the following GE - for a lot of the electorate Corbyn is still a huge millstone.

 

I suspect there would be yet another hung parliament, with any subsequent coalition being very unstable.

I don’t disagree. Any vote of confidence is rather pointless unless it will get rid of this shower.

Problem is that we also need a vote of no confidence in the official opposition too. Both are a useless shower of f***s intent on destroying our country for ideological reasons

Problem is that we also need a vote of no confidence in the official opposition too. Both are a useless shower of f***s intent on destroying our country for ideological reasons

 

One of those 'ideological reasons' happens to be respecting the result of the referendum.

 

I dare say most politicians wish we hadn't had it, so they could keep living in denial of Euroscepticism, but the more pragmatic ones realise the issue would have come to a head eventually anyway. Without it, UKIP would surely have kept getting stronger, to the point where they could have had a significant presence in the HoC.

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They are the party of the far right. They had peaked

 

They are the party of the far right. They had peaked

 

No - they have declined only *because* of the referendum, without it, they'd have had no reason to fade away.

 

BTW, what's with the constant screen name changes? It's not like we can't tell it's you. :)

Three pre Xmas hype names to hype my Xmas name and Xmas and one Xmas name? It's standard BuffyCharmed practice!

 

No. There are only so many gullible far righters and racists who would vote UKIP. They had peaked.

Three pre Xmas hype names to hype my Xmas name and Xmas and one Xmas name? It's standard BuffyCharmed practice!

 

You're a Buffy fan? If so, that's one thing we have in common. :)

 

No. There are only so many gullible far righters and racists who would vote UKIP. They had peaked.

 

NO! They had not peaked pre-referendum - their support had been increasing with each GE, and they were not then a racist/far-right party!

Sure, Jan.

One of those 'ideological reasons' happens to be respecting the result of the referendum.

 

I dare say most politicians wish we hadn't had it, so they could keep living in denial of Euroscepticism, but the more pragmatic ones realise the issue would have come to a head eventually anyway. Without it, UKIP would surely have kept getting stronger, to the point where they could have had a significant presence in the HoC.

How many more times? The weak argument for respecting the result of an advisory referendum was destroyed as soon as the Leave campaign was found to have broken the law. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me why we should bother with electoral law if it can be broken with impunity.

How many more times? The weak argument for respecting the result of an advisory referendum was destroyed as soon as the Leave campaign was found to have broken the law. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me why we should bother with electoral law if it can be broken with impunity.

 

Unless/until the courts strike down the result, it stands - and if it was ordered rerun, I don't believe any question could be legally asked other than the original one, based on

the precedent set for by-elections.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UK_Pa...ction_petitions

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Unless/until the courts strike down the result, it stands - and if it was ordered rerun, I don't believe any question could be legally asked other than the original one, based on

the precedent set for by-elections.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UK_Pa...ction_petitions

The referendum was advisory. Therefore, there is nothing binding to be struck down. Common sense, OTOH,...

The referendum was advisory. Therefore, there is nothing binding to be struck down. Common sense, OTOH,...

 

Then why is so much effect going into trying to demonstrate the result was flawed, if the gov't could just say 'f*ck the electorate, we're ignoring the result'?

Then why is so much effect going into trying to demonstrate the result was flawed, if the gov't could just say 'f*ck the electorate, we're ignoring the result'?

I assume you know the answer to that question.

I assume you know the answer to that question.

 

Well, it *was* somewhat of a rhetorical question. ;)

New poll says three-quarters of Labour party members want a second referendum.

 

What did Corbyn used to say about the elite MP's over-ruling what party members wanted, living in their ivory tower and own personal agendas?

 

Ooh, look, hypocrisy thy name is Jeremy....

New poll says three-quarters of Labour party members want a second referendum.

 

What did Corbyn used to say about the elite MP's over-ruling what party members wanted, living in their ivory tower and own personal agendas?

 

Ooh, look, hypocrisy thy name is Jeremy....

 

Also evident from the poll:

 

• Support for a 2nd Referendum has dropped 14%

• Members back Corbyn's strategy 46% v 29%

Do you have a link to that poll?

Yes it is here complete with the usual deliberately loaded questions in order to get the most favourable response for the People's Vote!

Also evident from the poll:

 

• Support for a 2nd Referendum has dropped 14%

• Members back Corbyn's strategy 46% v 29%

The second one is interesting. I wasn't aware he had a strategy.