I'm gutted Jack Garratt has been a bit of a flop. I love his album.

Blossoms seem to be the only British act to really breakthrough so far this year on the album charts, I''ve noticed other new acts like Jack Garrett have had one week high in the album charts but then vanished from the charts. So it does seem acts are struggling but is it down to streaming? I don't know, apple music have a New Artist playlist, does Spotify have one dedicated to new artists?

 

Where have Blossoms come from? Like I know Radio 1 have ABUSED them for the last few weeks in terms of spins but I'd never heard of them this time last month and now they've got a #1 album...?

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Where have Blossoms come from? Like I know Radio 1 have ABUSED them for the last few weeks in terms of spins but I'd never heard of them this time last month and now they've got a #1 album...?

 

 

I think partly because their songs are verty catchy on first listen, radio 2 also had them as album of the week which will have helped them

Vidcapper just out of interest are you named after a cap on a video camera lens to protect the lens from collecting dust when the video camera is not in use?

 

No, that's not why - the answer is lost in mists of time... ;)

No, that's not why - the answer is lost in mists of time... ;)

 

I'm surprised no-one followed up on that. :blink:

 

I was from when I used to do lots of video captures from Friends for my then website.

Music Week, the Bible of the Biz, has expressed concerns that the streaming companies are dominated by the majors - so indies and new acts have no say over who gets pushed on them, so the old route for getting into the charts is now gone (witness MOS being sold). Majors can get huge sums essentially for nothing. They create and pay for the product (or else the artist creates and pays for the product under contract) and then sub contract to streaming companies to do all else, at least for singles, and dictate what they promote. ker-ching.

 

British Acts in terms of albums, which is where the bigger money is, and long-term careers are, have had a dire year for new acts. There have been no new big sellers to speak of, no Sam Smiths or the like, no UK-signed Lana Del Rays etc. Lots of older established big sellers, but new ones thin on the ground. Streaming seems to be oriented towards dance, pop or urban, so it may be having an effect...

 

or it may just be a poor year.

Olly Murs has his say on streaming, although I can't help feeling he's coming across as a bitter brat just because not enough people care about his song.

 

http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a8052...t-a-no1-single/

I blame Spotify for a lot of this, Apple Music have playlists dedicated to all kinds of new music, for example they have the A List- Alternative, The A-List- Country, The A List- Hard Rock etc and also the A List- New Artists,

 

I notice they're charts also seems a lot more fast moving then the spotify charts. I wonder if the charts would be a bit different if you didn't count free streaming on spotify or if they promoted each genre as much as Apple does

yeah.. the song wouldn't have gone to #1 even without streaming so he has no point there. And it sounds like he wants radio airplay to be included just because he happens to be doing really well there. No thanks.

Some chart positions which makes me think songs moved up much faster on apple music charts compared to spotify

 

65- Molly King- Back To You

53- Michael Buble- Nobody But Me

30- Ellie Goulding- Still Falling For You

24- Craig David- Ain't Giving up

 

Now taking into account there are 17 Frank Ocean songs in apple music's top 20 which ofcourse aren't on spotify, if you don't count those them the positions for those 4 songs would be 48, 36, 13 and 7

Olly Murs has his say on streaming, although I can't help feeling he's coming across as a bitter brat just because not enough people care about his song.

 

http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a8052...t-a-no1-single/

 

What exactly is bitter about this, pray? He's even said himself in the article 'it is what it is' and that he's had to be accepting of how things work now, but wanting your song to be number 1 and for it to do well in that sense doesn't mean an artist is bitter. I can almost guarantee that if this comment had come from an artist with their own forum on here it'd be a different kettle of fish.

 

'You Don't Know Love' has been top of the UK airplay chart for a whole month now. He still has a massive fanbase as well and his albums and tours always sell like lightning. Just because he may not have the streaming clout (which as a fan of his I'm probably to blame for given Spotify leaves me cold and I find it a clinical method of consuming music) of a Bieber or Drake doesn't mean he isn't entitled to feel a bit peed off with it all.

Of course every artist wants success and he's as entitled to an opinion on the matter of streaming and the state of the charts as anyone, but it just reads to me that he wants the charts to change just so he can have easy success. The fact the song has been #1 on radio for 4 weeks and still hasn't encouraged more people to invest in it to the level you'd expect of a big radio hit (and it's not just streaming, his sales chart run doesn't reflect that of a big radio hit either) surely suggests the song wasn't 'good enough' in the first place.

Only 7 songs have debuted in the T20 of the streaming chart all year!

'Lost' streams.

 

I wonder how many streams are ruled ineligible on an average week, because fans have exceeded their weekly quota?

For your information.

 

 

 

I am just wondering why soundcloud and beatport listens are not included in the chart? It must have something to do with royalties for artists I assume....

I am assuming because artists make money from spotify and not from soundcloud/beatport that is why.....

Because their impact on chart is zero? All their artists are very little known comparing to charting ones?

 

Bigger issue is youtube displays are not included and it should be playing video is way more than streaming as it requires much more attention and dedication to find the song. Streams are somehow included but not youtube videos.

 

I guess streaming companies bribed OCC to include their streaming into chart as way more people will hear about streaming sites than before - just kind of product placement and advertisement

Because their impact on chart is zero? All their artists are very little known comparing to charting ones?

 

Bigger issue is youtube displays are not included and it should be playing video is way more than streaming as it requires much more attention and dedication to find the song. Streams are somehow included but not youtube videos.

 

No youtube views definitely shouldn't be included imo....because people watch that for the video as much as the song.

 

As I said it has everything to do with royalties for artists why spotify but not soundcloud or beatport is included I think.

 

But soundcloud and beatport inclusion would help many underground artists, in rock, hip hop and dance. It might even make a faster chart. Anyway there are well known artists, particularly on Beatport (which you have to be signed to be on anyway)

 

Spotify was going to buy soundcloud anyway, so that makes it more likely to happen.

Edited November 10, 20168 yr by Snake In The Sno